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laconicsax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 04:02 PM
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Have you ever known a liberal who believed in a conservative god or vice-versa?
Or have you only known liberals who believe in a liberal god and conservatives who believe in a conservative god?

For my part, I've never known someone who believed in a god with a different ideology. My conservative acquaintances and friends all believed in a conservative god, and my liberal acquaintances and friends who believed in a god believed in a liberal one. I've even known professed moderates who believed that God doesn't take sides.

Anyone ever experienced any different?
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 04:13 PM
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1. nope......
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 04:18 PM
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2. Never.
Interesting, isn't it?
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laconicsax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 04:28 PM
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3. It's almost like believers create God in their own image.
I'm interested to find out if anyone has ever known someone who didn't.
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dmallind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 04:31 PM
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4. Maybe there's a non-believer corollary?
I'm far from the left end of DU, but I remain left of the overall populace, and reading the "holy" books of the desert monotheisms I find, on the whole, a god far too conservative for my tastes. Both the Quran and the NT have some nice liberal bits - even very leftist bits, but even they on the whole to me portray a god far too concerned with puffed-up exclusion, jingoism, spite and vengeance than even my quite centrist views would accept. The god of both these books strikes me as a petulant neocon much in the mold of GWB, although admittedly with a bigger dose of good cop. The god of the OT on the other hand is an umitigated bastard of a xenophobic warmonger more in the mold of a Genghis Khan, but touchier. Perhaps I would be more likely (albeit I think not VERY likely) to believe in a god who's at least as empathetic and altruistic as I am, let alone as so as the more hardcore leftists (yes I do not deny it - most on the far left are nicer people than I can manage - but you'd think a god could do even better).
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laconicsax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 05:24 PM
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6. That's a good point.
I know that I find the Abrahamic god as depicted in the Bible and Quran far more conservative than little ol' liberal me, and many other liberal atheists who would agree. Not knowing any conservative atheists, I can't speak to their attitudes.

However, my non-belief isn't based on this. However, my attitude that if such a god did exist, it wouldn't deserve my worship definitely is.

One thing though, is that since the lack of belief in gods isnt limited to the Abrahamic one, I would guess that an appropriate non-believer corollary would be whether a god would be rejected because it is perceived to be contrary to the non-believer's liberal or conservative beliefs, although I know that at least in my case, it isn't that simple. While I can't see myself voluntarily worshipping a conservative god, I wouldn't automatically worship a liberal one just because it existed.
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saras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 04:31 PM
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5. umm... I've believed in multiple contradictory gods...
...but that's because I was doing chaos magic rituals... I suppose it supports the theory also, come to think of it.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 06:07 PM
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7. That's as ludicrous as saying god is a yankees fan.
Even though He is.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 08:24 PM
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8. Lots of people try to hold religious beliefs more universal than their political preferences
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laconicsax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 08:51 PM
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10. That's not what I asked and you know it.
Have you ever known a liberal who believed in a god that was conservative, or vice-versa?
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 09:26 PM
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12. I've known plenty of people try hard not to subordinate their religious views to their politics.
Naturally everyone wants to regard his/her own views as "correct" -- and religious people naturally want to regard their views as reflecting their religious values

Different people differ in their commitments to self-criticism and differ in their abilities to consider the possible ways in which their views might be erroneous -- and the same comment holds, in particular, for various religious people, some of whom are better than others at recognizing the ways in which their own personal views might not reflect their purported religious values

It is an old and commonplace observation that we are all inclined to bow down to false idols that represent nothing more than our own self-justifying projections: obviously, one cannot begin to discard such idols without first recognizing that they inevitably exist

Different people believe all kinds of different things. There are billions of people in the world
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laconicsax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 09:45 PM
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13. So being reminded of what I had asked, you continued on your tangent.
Feel free to keep on clarifying your own thinking though.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 10:57 PM
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14. Have a nice day
:hi:
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laconicsax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-11 06:09 PM
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15. And you.
:hi:
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humblebum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 08:31 PM
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9. Since when is conservative or liberal a religion? nt
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laconicsax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 08:51 PM
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11. I never said they were. n/t
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