Forced to pray...... Fundies have taken to "religious rape"?!?!

[FM Arouet666]

This week, a patient thanks me for helping him out, sticks out his hand for a confirming handshake. Thinking nothing of it, I offer my hand. Within an instant he has me by both hands in a tight grasp, pulling me toward him. "I want you to pray with me."

Eyes shut, his head bowed to the ground my christian patient launched into an emotional prayer. "Thank you, O lord..."
For what seemed like an eternity, he thanked everyone from the virgin Mary and Jesus to st John the Baptist.

I must admit, I stood there like a deer in the head lights. Rod Sterling, are you there, have I been sent to hell? Faking an emergency page, a common doctor trick, I extracted myself from the exam room. Professionalism prevented me from engaging my more purulent instincts, and I let the event pass without comment.

I left the office, driving past a picket line protesting abortion. I typically ignore them, but this day I offered a few crude gestures and choice words. I hope the priest was not too offended, poor old guy looked a bit stunned.

Reflecting on the event, it is clear that the current fundie movement has emboldened christians to invade all our lives.

I do not pray. I do not want anyone to pray for me, with me, over me, and I certainly do not want to be forced to pray. Evangelism is getting out of hand. I do not respect the notion that a christian has the right to aggressively push the gospel on non-believers.

"Religious rape" is the best way I can describe the whole event.

[SammyBlue]

1. Too bad you have an obligation to keep that bastard alive.

Prick did that to me, I'd pull my hand away and tell him I'm not Christian and please do not involve me, then walk out.

on edit: Us Jews ask if you want to pray with them. . .I see asking for permission is foreign to fundie Christians.

[silverweb]

2. How rude of that patient!

To use trickery to get close and then take advantage of it in that way is unforgivable.

The worst religious rape I ever experienced was in the dentist's chair -- which is traumatic enough on its own. This was a new dentist for me, so I was completely unprepared for what was to come. The hygienist got me in a headlock and while her hands were busy at work in my mouth, started preaching away. I was furious, but she pretended my movements and grunts were minor pain and made little "shh, shh, almost done now" noises. Needless to say, I never went back there.

[darkmaestro019]

26. My brother went through something like that--

He didn't know what "Agape" meant and scheduled a lot of work with a small dentist's office. He was first, and the noisy backroom praying-shouting made him very uneasy, but when you have a very broken back-molar you can't afford to dither around trying to get a new appointment.

Bitch waited till his mouth was full of instruments and started in on his Marilyn Manson shirt and the tired old AFA lies about him killing puppies and raping kids onstage. I'm beginning to wonder if this isn't a deliberate plan on their part--what better captive audience than one who cannot move or reply?

And what kind of faith feels the need to resort to such disgusting tactics?

[beam me up scottie]

3. Yuck.

You handled that well.

A lot of the fundies down here remind me of Amway salesmen, they won't take no for an answer.

You can't answer the damn door anymore without looking for bibles first.

We almost kicked two kids from the Geek Squad out of our building because they had on white shirts, ties and were carrying books.

[silverweb]

4. LOL

"We almost kicked two kids from the Geek Squad out of our building because they had on white shirts, ties and were carrying books."

Now that's funny!

:D

[beam me up scottie]

5. They actually said that

it had happened before.

I told them to look into getting their logos on their shirts or something before someone turned their dogs loose on them.

[Az]

7. Feh, I have relatives that live in the shadow of the Amway HQ

Hive mind. Gives me the creeps.

[beam me up scottie]

10. My ex in-laws were brainwashed.

After their "conversion", I actually got my husband to agree that we should avoid them whenever possible.

His mother was a member of the talibornagain and his father was an Amway rep.

The marriage was doomed from the start.

[noahmijo]

16. LMAO I was a member of the Geek Squad!!!!!

I used to tell customers that I feel like a damn bible salesman.

[beam me up scottie]

19. It's a good thing they

have those cars.

Otherwise nobody would answer the door.

[Az]

6. Its the collapse of the social contract

Tolerance of Evil is evil. They will no longer abide while society progresses (our word) in a direction they believe to be corrupt (their word). Be ready to see more of it.

[beam me up scottie]

8. In other words,

carry a taser?

[FM Arouet666]

11. LOL

You got me with that one.....

:rofl:

[undergroundpanther]

13. How long until

we got to start shooting them in the knees to make them stop invading..and leave us alone.

Sometimes I wish I had a special gas canister. Small so I could carry in my hand..,poof the fundie in the face and he passes out cold on the spot and stays out for a day,than he wakes up with pee soaked pants,forgets what he was doing,and leaves.(and dies in a week or less) Sarcasm.

[undergroundpanther]

9. fundies

are some diseased people. Their minds are infected with a cult-ie zeal,they are incredibly narcissistic,and terror filled at the same time,They believe rather than face the fact we all are responsible for and sole owners of our own inner locus of control in a uncertain dangerous world..They'd rather make a castle in the sky and live there rather than live here where you can't always get what you want..They think if everyone was like them the world would be perfect.Evangelists are controlling hypocritical,and pushy.


If anyone was to try to force me to pray they'd be nursing a fat lip or worse. Because I hate _ALL_evangelism and the people doing it to me get one warning to shut the fuck up if they don't respect my wishes to be left alone, well they made their choice..

Evangelism hurts people,it is worse than advertising.Worse than salesmen. It is selling an emotionally abusive religion by being intrusive and wrong. Besides I was raped by fundies as a kid ,and messed with as an adult by Assemblies of God.Christianity has NO chances with me, because it hurt me twice!.This is where my hatred of christianity comes from, to me jesus is monster a horrid authoritarian asshole and people who emulate him are losing themselves in an archetype and that is psychologically dangerous to do..and Christians when they push people and intrude in a small way they are identifying with abusers and because that's what it is I have no tolerance for evangelizing.

[ThoughtCriminal]

12. This is why Novelty Hand Buzzers were invented

[beam me up scottie]

14. Heh heh.

I still like my idea better.

You don't forget being tasered.

It's like shock therapy for proselytizers.

And it's free of charge.

[noahmijo]

15. Oh hey I got a story for ya

Back during the Kerry campaign this guy came by the Young Democrats tent where my buddy and I were working and he wanted to leave a whole bunch of Christian lit on our table and he asked us to all pray that Kerry would win.


Even if his intentions were good we told him we are here to sell John Kerry not religion of ANY kind we'd say the same thing to a Jew or a Muslim WHATEVER religion we cannot endorse it.

Needless to say he was not pleased.

On another note Israeli students tried to do the same thing and we had to give them the same answer despite their "But John Kerry stands up for Israel!" cries.



Ugh some people....

[kweerwolf]

17. Shoot 'em and then use the "fundie panic" defense

Gay bashers have been using the "gay panic" defnse for years ... "Sure I knocked him down, beat him senseless, stabbed him 37 times and then went home and got my gun and shot him a few more times, your honor. But there were extenuating circumstances. He propositioned me and, being a God-fearin', heterosexual who was once touched inappropriately in my tender youth by one of those types, I just had to defend myself against his unnatural sexual advances!"

Then they claim they were "fondled" by their Scout master as innocent youngsters or some such nonsense to excuse their actions.

Considering how many people have been emotionally, spiritually, and, in some cases, sexually abused by religious institutions, I think blowing away the next s.o.b. who boldly walks up to a stranger and asks if they've "been saved," "have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ," or "know where you'll be spending eternity" would be justifiable homocide if you claim "fundie panic" as a defense.

[EstimatedProphet]

18. Grabbed your hand and wouldn't let go, eh? Time for an aikido technique

Katate dore nikkyo-
While he has grabbed your hand, move your hand down out of his grasp and around to the back of his hand. Now, grab his hand and rotate it until it is upside-down. Begin levering his hand upward toward his shoulder. At the same time, step aside to your left, keep facing him, and grab his elbow. From this position you have leverage over his arm and you can force him to the ground using both this leverage and the hand twist.

Here's a picture:
http://www.ai-ki-do.org/DanPapers/Yondan_GTeekell/Yondan_GTeekell.html

[Taxloss]

20. I think describing that as "rape" is far too strong.

But otherwise you're right, it's a grotesque breach of etiquette.

[FM Arouet666]

21. I agree, I pondered the appropriateness of the word.

I went back and erased 'raped' several times and added various other words which did not seem to fit my disgust. My post was not meant to trivialize the heinous crime of rape.

[Solon]

23. I call it spiritual assault myself...

and that covers any proselytizing at all, but particularly these types of cases. I wouldn't necessarily call it rape, because, if we are honest, rape is a life-changing, and in many cases, life destroying event, whereas this type of event is one of disgust and indignation, but at the same time you can move on from it rather easily. More akin to harrassment, but I like assault better, like getting smacked upside the head.

[FM Arouet666]

24. I agree "religious assault" sounds better.

I would have loved to have smacked the fundie upside the head. In fact, that sounds like an innovative idea for kids parties. Pin the tail on the donkey and smack the fundie upside the head.

I wonder if it would catch on? :evilgrin:

[Solon]

25. Religious assault sounds like a hate crime in the making...

The reason I used Spiritual Assault is that proselytizing is basically endangering your spiritual well being, an assault as real as a bodily assault. BTW: Yeah I felt the same way about the fundies myself. :)

[Zhade]

22. Wow, that's insane.

I likely would have ripped my hands out of his - it's one thing for a believer to "pray for me" (if they do it by themselves, what do I care, it's akin to wishful thinking and does me no harm), quite another to force me to engage in an empty ritual that I find pointless against my will.