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peanutbrittle Donating Member (605 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 01:20 PM
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Any Urantia Book readers out there?
While driving this a.m. I was listening to, I believe NPR, which is carrying a program /discussion on ID v.s. Evolution and, of course for those who are aware and have studied the Urantia, it must seem as a rather silly debate. At the same time we understand that the issue really does boil down to the separation of church and state.

Some may find interesting Paper 65 which discusses and combines ID and evolution, i.e. the divine fostering of evolution and seems to fill in the holes in Darwin's theory through Divine control. Ther are many places in the book that discuss other parts of evolution through creator design and control.

For those who are not aware of the Urantia (Earth) book and look at it for the first time, it may be challenging to understand as it uses specific names for entities within God's creation, i.e. many more entities than just Angelic beings. It takes time to sort through and research just exactly who these beings and entities are but once you get the feel for this, it gets easier to understand.

What is unfathomable to me is the huge divide of beliefs in this subject between the hardcore fundamentalists and the scientists when the truth most likely lies in the middle.

Just throwing this out there for discussion for those whom may be interested.

Urantia Online http://www.urantiabook.org/newbook/papers/

Paper 65 http://www.urantiabook.org/newbook/papers/p065.htm
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northerdar Donating Member (106 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 01:25 PM
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1. Urantia is an amazing book but I only read the part about Jesus
That section, over a 1000 pages small print on this huge (literally) book on Jesus life, including between 12 and 30, was the most believable story on Jesus I have ever come across. I was born and raised a Roman Catholic but now am agnostic.

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peanutbrittle Donating Member (605 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 12:29 PM
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10. After reading intensly
over a period a few years ago and capturing the essence, it is still fun to go back and re-read portions in order to further the knowledge. Where I am interested in going back now has to do with the parts on Jesus' life (the missing years) whereas it says he traveled to Asia and the influence of other religions.

IMO it is an amazing book.
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salvorhardin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 01:28 PM
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2. No the truth does not lie in the middle
It's very simple. The theory of evolution is derived from the use of the scientific method. Intelligent Design isn't. Creationism isn't. Urantia isn't. Thus evolution belongs in the science classroom, religion does not.
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tatertop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 01:57 PM
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3. Your post is the truth plainly stated. Thank you.
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peanutbrittle Donating Member (605 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 08:09 PM
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5. I agree with you that
Edited on Mon Jan-09-06 08:18 PM by peanutbrittle
Evolution belongs in the public classroom and ID or Creationism does not.

The general debate between non-believers and believers regarding whether or not a Creator exists will continue. Understanding that science is not infallible and is based on what we, as humans, have concluded through discovery to date. Religion is based on faith in God's written words and works.

Believers believe that the Bible is true because it was inspired by God as do Urantia Book readers whom most include the Bible within their studies of the UB.

My intention was not to set this thread up for debating whether or not ID should be taught in the classroom but more for discussing the Urantia book itself for those who amy wish, one part being how it addresses Evolution and Creation.

The first requirement for belief in what the Urantia Book is has to say is to believe in a Higher Power or Divine Creator. Otherwise it will be of no use to you. My personal experience and what I found useful with the Urantia is that it opened up my mind to what, possibly, Jesus was really attempting to explain 2000 years ago to a population who was not ready to fully comprehend. This being the complexity and beauty of God's universal kingdom and all of it's entities.

Some may say it is romanticism or a crutch but it gives some hope, purpose and a larger outlook on life and our universe.

The real test for the UB will be, as with the Bible, to withstand the test of time. So far it seems to be doing fairly well.

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grumpy old fart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 03:31 PM
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4. Oh great, another fantasy land heard from....
"it may be challenging to understand as it uses specific names for entities within God's creation, i.e. many more entities than just Angelic beings".

You know, it took me a while to sort out all the characters in the Lord of the Rings trilogy also. About as useful too.
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peanutbrittle Donating Member (605 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-09-06 08:16 PM
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6. Index to articles about the science sections of The Urantia Book
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peanutbrittle Donating Member (605 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 07:26 AM
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7. Scientific Predictions of The Urantia Book
http://urantiabook.org/archive/science/ginsss2.htm



Scientific Predictions of The Urantia Book

by Irwin Ginsburgh, Ph.D., and Geoffrey L. Taylor

The Urantia Book contains much scientific information that was revealed between 1925 and 1935 to an individual who cared little about the material. Some of this information disagreed with science's version. Half a century later, some of this originally conflicting information now agrees with science, and some still does not. The information deals primarily with creation of the universe, the Earth and man, as well as the fundamentals of matter and energy. Theories about these kinds of subjects evolve as science matures, and some of science's ideas change. These changes have brought about the new agreement between science and The Urantia Book, and the now agreeing Urantia information can be considered to have been predictions.

The authors consider about thirty predictions that are in their areas of expertise or interest, but there are many others in the book. Science does not now know some of the information in the book. There is a distinct possibility that some of this Urantia information may also turn out to be scientific predictions in the future. If more of these predictions ultimately agree with science, it will give the scientific part of The Urantia Book an authenticity that will enhance the believability of the rest of the book. The authors examine about thirty scientific predictions in The Urantia Book, compare them with science's versions, see how much agreement we can find, and how much more we can anticipate. Those predictions that now agree with science and that partly agree constitute about one-third of all the predictions considered. This can be considered remarkable. Most predictions have yet to agree, but this is to be expected of a book with a very long life. More prediction analysis is warranted in the future, as is more detailed study of individual predictions.


Introduction

After studying The Urantia Book, one comes to grips with a personal question: Is the book completely correct or only partially so? Of course, one could take it all on faith and believe it completely. To help make this choice, we will examine the book's scientific information. The scientific information in the book that we will consider was either unknown to science in 1935 or differed from information generally accepted by science in 1935. Some of this information now agrees with science and can be considered predictions of what science would discover after 1935. We will examine some of these predictions and see how many now agree with science. If enough of them do, they can enhance the believability of the rest of The Urantia Book. However, we must remember that, presently, science only deals with the physical world, while the book deals with physical, spiritual and other matters.

Much of the scientific information in the book agreed with science, but some differed. Where they differed, the subjects cover matters such as creation of the universe, creation of our world, creation of life, fundamentals of energy, etc. Many of these subjects cannot be tested in a laboratory. Science's theories about such matters are designed to fit the available evidence. Historically, some theories change with time as science matures and new data become available. Those 1935 disagreements which now agree with science provide a unique way of testing the validity of the scientific part of The Urantia Book. The remaining disagreements may agree in the future, and these could provide additional confirmation of the scientific part of the book.

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grumpy old fart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 11:10 AM
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8. "Science does not now know some of the information in the book"
Ah, more of that "secret knowledge" stuff. Cool.

"Compiled by an editorial staff of superhuman beings"
http://www.urantiabook.org/web_intro1.htm

Wonder if they could leap tall buildings in a single bound?

By the way, I've got some oceanfront property in........
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peanutbrittle Donating Member (605 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 12:20 PM
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9. I see you are reading
Edited on Tue Jan-10-06 12:29 PM by peanutbrittle
Could this be your underlying inherent desire to understand the meaning of life?

I understand anyone's skepticism.

"Compiled by an editorial staff of superhuman beings"
http://www.urantiabook.org/web_intro1.htm

This is misleading in my opinion. Here is more extensive reading on this subject regarding the forum of the human beings who were involved in the compilation and how it came into existence:

Origin of The Urantia Book:

Research on human sources of materials presented in The Urantia Book
How The Urantia Book Came into Existence Transcript of a tape-recorded talk by Bill Sadler
Who Wrote The Urantia Book? Logical regression analysis shows that numerous authors were involved in writing The Urantia Book. Ken Glaziou
A Conjectured Origin of The Urantia Book Clyde Goodman reviews what the book says about its origin and speculates on the Adjuster process used in the transmission of the text.
The Historicity of The Urantia Book Dr. Meredith Sprunger comments on his interviews and conversations with Dr. William S. Sadler who played a major role in bringing the text to publication. Meredith Sprunger

with links>>>> http://www.urantiabook.org/index_about.htm


The first requirement for belief in what the Urantia Book is has to say is to believe in a Higher Power or Divine Creator. Otherwise it will be of no use to you. My personal experience and what I found useful with the Urantia is that it opened up my mind to what, possibly, Jesus was really attempting to explain 2000 years ago to a population who was not ready to fully comprehend. This being the complexity and beauty of God's universal kingdom and all of it's entities.

Some may say it is romanticism or a crutch but it gives some hope, purpose and a larger outlook on life and our universe.

The real test for the UB will be, as with the Bible, to withstand the test of time. So far it seems to be doing well.


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grumpy old fart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 12:30 PM
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11. Ok. I'm done helping you kick this nonsense to the top. You're on your own
Edited on Tue Jan-10-06 12:30 PM by grumpy old fart
"The real test for the UB will be, as with the Bible, to withstand the test of time. So far it seems to be doing well".

Don't worry, there will always be the credulous willing to grasp at whatever straw is offered. There's one born every minute.......
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peanutbrittle Donating Member (605 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 12:53 PM
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12. This is not about helping to kick the thread
I could care less about that. This was about giving you the respect of response.
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