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soleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 12:55 PM
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Any Karen Armstrong fans here?
I've read

Both her autobiographies, Through the Narrow Gate and Beginning the World - I heard at one point the Actress Lee Lee Sobieski had the option for doing a movie

The History of God
Jerusalem
The Battle for God

I have her biography of Buddha, looking forward to reading that especially since it's a departure from the western monotheistic stuff.

For history and explaining the development of fundamentalism in all 3 monotheistic faiths - I think she's amazing.
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 01:06 PM
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1. Yes,
I have her book Islam. Very informative.
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dreamcollector Donating Member (180 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 01:30 PM
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2. If you like Karen Armstrong
You will also like Elaine Pagels.
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soleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 01:59 PM
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3. I have her book on the Gnostic Gospels
Thanks
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PaganPreacher Donating Member (653 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 04:31 PM
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4. Yes.
Loved "History of God."

The Pagan Preacher
I don't turn the other cheek
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John Dark Donating Member (28 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 11:50 PM
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5. I knew her "when"
Edited on Wed Nov-17-04 11:51 PM by John Dark
I think Karen rocks, and I even get to say "I knew her when." In 1992, shortly before she became famous, she visited the library where I worked and I served her tea. She impressed me as a really decent and cool lady in person.

Loved all her books. The Battle for God should be required reading for like everybody. Over at the Well there was a discussion in which an Islam-basher ripped into Karen as an apologist for this evil, evil religion. She must be doing something right. :)
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 01:14 PM
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6. Hi John Dark!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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John Dark Donating Member (28 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 10:08 PM
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7. DU rocks too
Thanks again for the warm welcome, Newyawker! I love being in this community.

Speaking of Newyawkers, I wish I could come up with a good Don DeLillo quote (he wrote a novel titled, what else, Underworld).
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John Dark Donating Member (28 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 01:04 AM
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8. Buddha
Most recently I've read her Buddha. Having once been a practitioner of Buddhist thoughts and meditations, I thought it was worth checking in with Armstrong's take on the subject.

Her methodology is the main thing that stands out in this work, more than her writing or analysis. (Her writing is competent as always, and there is little analysis to speak of; it's more a matter of reportage.) The nature of the book was determined even before she wrote it by her restricted choice of source material: she limited herself to the earliest known sources from the Tipitaka. (That title always sounded to me like a New Orleans restaurant, but in Pali it means 'the book of the three baskets', because the earliest compilers of Buddhist palm-leaf manuscripts sorted them literally into three baskets depending on their subject matter: one for doctrine, one for monastic organization, and one for anecdotes on the life of Siddhartha Gautama.) Ti meaning 'three' and pita meaning 'basket'.

The result of Armstrong's methodological choice predetermines the character of the Buddha that is reported in her book: we get exclusively the Theravada version of Buddha. The more widespread Mahayana view of Buddha is therefore excluded. Most Westerners who take an interest in Buddhism, as far as I can tell, are attracted by some sort of Mahayana. Armstrong starts her book with a lengthy discussion of the sources, how they came to be written, and how she has chosen to read them. It's clear that her methodology has been guided by the historicist school of Western scholars of religion, the approach that has worked so well in her other books. I question, though, how well it works with Buddha.

She chose to limit her research to the earliest possible material in order to screen out the mythologizing elaborations that accreted onto the Buddha story in later centuries. However, even the Theravada version, no matter how early, is filled with mythologizing. If she was aiming for a rigorously historicist pruning away of all nonfactual elements, I'm sorry, I just don't see how this could succeed given her methodology. What we get instead is Theravada mythology in preference to Mahayana mythology. Face it, there simply is no source material with a just-the-facts-ma'am approach to Buddha's life. My personal feeling, as a former Mahayanist, is that the Mahayana view of the Buddha gives just as valid an interpretation of his life as the Theravada and is no less illuminating as to what sort of man he was.

But in fairness to Armstrong, maybe the task of sorting through huge amounts of Mahayana as well as Theravada material, for a subject in which she is not an expert, would have proved too overwhelming for her. In order to get the book written at all, she had to simplify her task enough to make it practicable. She felt the self-imposed limitations would still result in a readable book that could convey to the general reading public an understanding of how Buddha lived and accomplished what he did. In this, I agree she succeeded.
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soleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 12:56 PM
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14. I'm reading it now
I just read in an internview that she is going to write more about the Axel Age in her next book, so maybe her research will expand as well as her perspective.
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SlackJawedYokel Donating Member (446 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 09:01 AM
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9. Absolutely.
Both The History of God and The Battle for God are sitting on my bookshelf.
Along with Finkelstein/Silberman's The Bible Unearthed, Sarah Blaffer Hrdy's Mother Nature and Steve Jones' Darwin's Ghost which make for a powerful anti-fundamentalist/anti-intellectual set of source material.
Armstrong and Finkelstein/Silberman are quite enough to send most fundamentalists into a frenzy.

The Buddha book should be interesting but I wonder if it will have as much of an "impact"... are there fundamentalist Buddhists?
Is such a thing even possible given the nature of Buddhism?

Cletus
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 08:49 PM
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10. Heard her speak in Portland, very impressed, also
read her latest book The Staircase, which goes into further detail about her life after the convent, including her struggles with improperly diagnosed frontal lobe epilepsy.
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BlackVelvetElvis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 10:47 PM
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11. I'm reading "History of God".
I have a paper to write on it in my religion class.
I love what she had to say about the dangers of a personal god.
I'm looking forward to reading her other books, they are so easy to read.
Is she considered controversial in religiois circles?
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kcr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 11:32 PM
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12. Yes
I think she is a very good populizer of history.
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doni_georgia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 05:49 AM
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13. My pastor talked about Karen Armstrong in his sermon yesterday
I haven't read any of her books, but I am going to.
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