Any other DU Ritual Magick practitioners?

[benburch]

I know of a couple of others, but I wonder how many of us are here?

I was initiated into Earthstar Lodge, Chicago, by Arawyn in 1979. Earthstar was a small association of Hermetic Lodges, now sadly defunct.

[Crazy Guggenheim]

1. 93/93.

:popcorn:

[benburch]

3. Like I said...

I know of a few others! 93s!

[Renegade Six]

17. 93/93

iinteresting that there are a few here.

[slutticus]

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[Maddy McCall]

2. Color me unknowledgeable on this topic...

Do you know anything about smudging a home with sage? A friend of mine is wanting a smudging done in her house. I don't know anything about it.

[benburch]

4. Only in a vague way.

Its a Native American practice that I've never investigated.

[proud patriot]

5. Sage ? That's a native American Practice

Sage is used for blessing/excercising/healing Things
Sweetgrass is used for blessing/excercising/healing People

I have Sage above each doorway entrance to my home .

[Withywindle]

6. That's originally a Native American practice...

I'm not sure which Nation, sorry. Since adopted/co-opted (depending on your feelings about this) by Pagans. It's not complicated. As I know it (from the Neopagan end of things) it involves a passing of burning sage through all the rooms--including all places energy can enter, including not only windows and doors but also electrical outlets and heating vents and the like) with prayers for blessing and cleansing.

I have mixed feelings on the adoption/co-optation issue. On one hand, I'm appalled by spiritual imperialism. On the other hand, I believe strongly in spiritus loci and that you work with the energies that are in the place where you are, and NOT acknowledging the First Nations in some way, no matter your own practice or path, is just as disrespectful as long as you're on this land.

[Maddy McCall]

7. Yes, I know its origins...I'm talking about it being used today...

by New Agers. A friend of mine wants to have her home smudged by a New Age psychic. It will cost her a lot of money for this psychic to do it. The psychic is definitely not an American Indian.

[WePurrsevere]

12. Tell her she can do cleanse her home herself or ask a Pagan to help her.

IME smudging or any cleansing ritual is at it's heart mostly about the intent of the user. Many find that using a ritual helps with concentrating on that intent and on communing with their "source/s" and therefore it helps empower them and the energy (Majik) within and around them. IMO whatever works for you is as it should be for you. B-)

Most New Agers will know about "Smudging" and most Pagans will (or at least should) know about some type of cleansing ritual (whether smudging, the LBR - Lesser Banishing Ritual, etc) to get rid of unwanted negative energy/spirits/entities. Most I know would share with her how she can do it herself or occasionally, if they get a good vibe from her, come over and do it themselves for little or no charge.

One of the things that needs to be asked is WHY does your friend suddenly feel the need to have her home smudged? Is it because of something this "psychic" said or something she has honestly felt for a while?

My husband and I have long studied various paths and we both have been active and deeply involved in this whole area (New Age, Psychic, Pagan, etc) for a few decades. One thing we've learned is that, like much else in life, quantity of money does NOT always equal quality of work or ability (although many still buy into that). IME quite often those who are less gifted with any real ability but can put on a "show" often tend to charge more then those who truly are gifted and don't.

Oh and FYI: Although sage is very good there are other ways to cleanse/purify an area and raise the positive energy. To name a few one can use, frankincense, sandlewood, dragon's blood (a resin), crystals, clove, and visualization with energy.

[FreedomAngel82]

14. Anybody can do it

People who are involved in the spiritual realms have gotten involved with saging and lots of us aren't Native American by any means (as far as I know anyways). So it can be used by anyone and it should be if it'll help you.

[Withywindle]

19. What the others said...

...I'm suspicious of anyone who charges a lot of money for this. It's a fairly simple ritual and anyone can learn to do it.

[rumpel]

8. Beware

http://www.native-languages.org/religion.htm

http://www.aics.org/war.html

http://www.treatycouncil.org/section_211513111.htm
this link thanks to nvmojo

International Indian Treaty Council
Commission on the Protection of Sacred Sites; Cultural and Spiritual Rights

Wairoa Marae, Tauranga Moana, Aotearoa
Saturday, February 9th, 2002

The International Indian Treaty Council (IITC) recognizes that the Spirituality of Indigenous Peoples is the foundation of our respective societies. It is therefore of great concern to us that various colonial forces continue to actively erode our traditional Spiritual beliefs among our Peoples.

The Spirituality of Indigenous Peoples has its roots in natural law. Our life ways are directed toward balance with our natural environments and our Sacred Mother Earth. If that spirituality is not respected it will cause a dis-equilibrium with all forms of life on this our Mother Earth. Our Spirituality is the most intimate and profound source of life for Indigenous Peoples.

To exercise our Spirituality we establish relationships to our Sacred Sites and Ceremonial Grounds. Our musical instruments, our ancient ceremonies and ceremonial objects, our sacred symbols and objects, our books and our oral traditions are essential elements in our Spirituality. Our elders and spiritual leaders and our ceremonies and beliefs merit the same respect that dominant societies accord their religions. more at link

But in general it is a cleansing ritual involving all directions the sky and the earth.

[shadowknows69]

9. A few of the friends I've practiced with

swear by sage. I love it. Just light up a bunch and slowly walk your house giving whatever positive energies or prayers you want while doing it. The magick is within you and will take any form you choose. The sage is merely a magickal tool.

[benburch]

10. As an Asthmatic...

I'd be very cautious...

[LWolf]

15. I have a friend

who is an ashmatic. She burns sage regularly. It doesn't bother her. It might be scale; she is housebound with her breathing pump every fall when her area does large-scale burning of tumbleweeds.

[anitar1]

11. Sandalwood is wonderful for cleansing. I use sage also

depending on what I am focusing on. Salt can be used in exorcising energies. Depends on what you are aiming for.As for charging--NO.

[FreedomAngel82]

13. I know about that

I deal with the spiritual world and know about that. If you know where to get sage (usually a local New Age store for example) you just burn it and wave it around the areas that you need help with and have positive thoughts and vibes to send the spirit away. If that still doesn't work just go to a local Catholic priest who does that or try to find a medium.

[EFerrari]

21. I smudge our house. It works. :)

[benburch]

25. I just use salt and water...

Different techniques... Same goals.

[Bridget Burke]

16. Not a practitioner....

But Magick is a long time interest. The Order of the Golden Dawn certainly attracted some fine minds.

I'm finishing "A Magick Life"--Martin Booth's biography of Aleister Crowley, a pretty even-handed work. It mentioned that Argentinian artist Xul Solar studied under him in the 20's--I'd detected the influence. Check out the works (the site is in Spanish; "Siguiente" means "Next):

www.xulsolar.org.ar/xulobras.html

Personally, I only looked into a bit of candle magic in my youth. If you don't know what you really want--you might end up getting a bad surprise! Since then, the "hoodoo" shops have become "botanicas." And they have become even more eclectic:

www.botelegua.com/

Again, this is just kitchen magic--not the serious stuff. But a "mix" makes more sense to me than so called "Celtic" magic as interpreted by Llewellyn Books.

[Renegade Six]

18. GD

Talk about fine minds...to be a fly on the wall during the Golden Dawn heyday. There is plenty writen aboout the GD but to be there while they bounced ideas...and dont get me started about some "books".

[Matariki]

22. Lon Milo Duquette is making a movie on that topic

Called "Revolt of the Magicians". It focuses on the Crowley's role in the schism that took place in the Golden Dawn. Should be entertaining. The history is really fascinating as were the men and women involved. Among their members were William Butler Yeats, George Bernard Shaw, Florence Farr and other interesting folk. The progressives of their day.

http://www.revoltofthemagicians.com/

[Renegade Six]

23. Glad Duquette is on board

otherwise I might of had to skip it. At least I wont have to throw things at my tv when people use rumors as the basis of they're 'facts' as to how 'evil' Crowley was. I missed meeting Duquette in Austin some time back. Too bad for me

[Matariki]

20. Yes!

Also since the 70's - currently in a 'heretical' Golden Dawn group, based on the OSOGD (Open Source Order of the Golden Dawn, gotta LOVE that!) with a heavy Thelemic influence.

Lately I've also been studying Vodou.

At first I was surprised by your post, but then I always had suspicions regarding the name of your "White Rose Society" ;-)

[benburch]

24. Names mean many things!

:evilgrin:

[Matariki]

26. LOL - didn't think this thread would last long in General Discussion

[benburch]

27. One of the MANY things I dislike about how things get done here...

...topics like this get shoved into categories nobody reads so as not to offend the "average DUer".

I don't like it much, but I'm a guest here so I take the good with the bad.

[Dervill Crow]

28. Non-initiate in any formal trad.

Gardnerian outer court dropout. Since I tend to be a loner in my mundane life, coven relationships are too much work.

[LaurenG]

29. My husband and I, BOTA nt