NMMNG
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Mon May-15-06 04:09 AM
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Your feelings on AtheismMy score: Tolerant You scored 100 Tolerant! You are tolerant of atheism. You are not narrow minded and see that other people have their own ideas and view too. You also probably respect these other ideas even though they may be in direct conflict with your own. Good for you!
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Mon May-15-06 04:50 AM
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1. I found it to be a bad test. |
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It asks about one's own beliefs - tolerance or otherwise of atheism is unrelated to atheism/theism.
I'm a theist (it's a pretty essential part of being a Christian), yet I've got full tolerance for atheists - I just happen to hold to a different belief.
My score was as follows:
Not tollerant You scored 46 Tolerant! You are not too tollerant of atheism. Thus you like your religion-dominated world and probably wish that your particular religion were the only one.
My test tracked 1 variable How you compared to other people your age and gender: You scored higher than 99% on Tolerant
My answers were:
1. Do you believe in god? Yes No
2. Do you believe that atheism or that not believing in god is inherantly wrong? Nien Of course
3. Is someone who does not believe in god ignorant or do they deserve to rot in hell? Just ignorant Rot in hell! Of course they arent ignorant, there is no god --N.B. Closest of the available answers. I can't pick the last one because I do believe that God exists. Very bad choice of answers. 4. Should atheism be recognised as a 'religion'? Yes No
5. Would you date an Atheist? Yes No
6. If an atheist walked up to you and asked your view of how the earth was created what would you say in response? God created the world the universe created it (IE: gravity pulling astaroids and dust and rocks together) It was always here
7. Would you ever be against something simply because an atheist said it? Yes No
8. Would you ever force anyone to believe in god/a superior being? Yes No
9. Would/will/do you teach your kid(s) about atheism? Yes No I have in the past I will in the future
10. Does god or a superior being exist? Yes No As a serious question - where is there any intolerance of atheism in there?
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Mon May-15-06 06:05 AM
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3. I agree with you on the test. |
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I scored as very tolerant, even though i believe in God, but I couldn't give a reasonable answer to 3 so I chose the last one, even though it contradicted my other answers. I also gave the middle answer on 6. I think they equate believing in God with being a Christian, and it isn't geared to someone who's a non-religious theist like myself.
Your answers don't look at all intolerant to me, especially considering the push-poll way in which they were presented.
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Mon May-15-06 07:10 AM
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5. I agree...I quit after #3 |
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I don't think they are ignorant or are going to hell.
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NMMNG
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Tue May-16-06 12:05 AM
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18. "where is there any intolerance of atheism in there?" |
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Since you asked, I'll give you my opinion.
2. Do you believe that atheism or that not believing in god is inherantly wrong? Nien Of course
People are free to believe "Of Course" if they choose. However if they treat non-believers badly because of that belief that is intolerance.
3. Is someone who does not believe in god ignorant or do they deserve to rot in hell? Just ignorant Rot in hell! Of course they arent ignorant, there is no god
People are free to believe non-believers are going to "Rot in hell", or that they are "Just ignorant". However to run around telling them that (particularly by ranting that they must repent or be cast into the hellfires, etc) is intolerance.
7. Would you ever be against something simply because an atheist said it? Yes No
Ignoring something just because an atheist is saying it can be intolerance. (You answered "no" to this on the quiz, but I'm indicating this as an example in answer to your question.)
8. Would you ever force anyone to believe in god/a superior being? Yes No
Although it's questionable as to whether actual belief can be forced, behaviors such as participation in rituals definitely can. This is indeed intolerance.
9. Would/will/do you teach your kid(s) about atheism? Yes No I have in the past I will in the future
Refusal to teach children about atheism, or teaching them that it is bad/evil is intolerant.
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Tue May-16-06 03:48 AM
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20. I meant in my answers - not in the questions. |
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As regards questions 2,7 and 8 - I absolutely agree with you, which is why (inter alia) I gave different answers.
As regards question 3 - that is so badly termed it's unbelievable. The options are completely unacceptable, it contains the presumption that all theists are intolerant. You split between believing and stating is interesting - and I do agree with you, but this was a test where one is asked for one's opinion so stating it can hardly be intolerance.
On question 9 - you give two examples which aren't in there "refusal to teach" and "teaching them atheism's evil", I wouldn't do either - but I wouldn't teach them 'about' atheism, how can one? If I ever had children (highly unlikely) I wouldn't "teach" them atheism, but if they turned out of their own accord to be atheist then there's nothing I could do about it, nor would I seek to do so.
The whole quiz is based on the presupposition that the more one believes in God the less tolerant of atheism/atheists one is - personally I find that to be pure and unadulterated nonsense.
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Tue May-16-06 08:04 AM
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23. Well, it's about what's being tested. |
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Edited on Tue May-16-06 08:10 AM by Inland
It's not testing "tolerance". It's testing "tolerance of atheists". In the former, whether one is a atheist or a theist is irrelevant. In the latter, it is--one assumes atheists are tolerant of themselves.
The bigger question is, what does it mean to be "tolerant" of one's own group? Not much: the concept of being "tolerant" of one's own and not tolerant of the other isn't what we think of when we talk about tolerance.
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Tue May-16-06 11:15 AM
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24. It's actually testing how much one agrees with the prejudices of the autho |
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If it's testing how much one is tolerant of atheists, then a theist should still be capable of scoring 100% - which is not the case.
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Tue May-16-06 08:56 PM
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26. That's my take as well. nt |
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Mon May-15-06 05:09 AM
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A true Christian is someone who beliefs the bible is a divinly inspired book and is absolutely true.
He that believeth not shall be damned (16:16 Mark)
He that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him (3:36 John)
In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God ... Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction.(1:7-9 Thessaloinans)
The fearful, and unbelieving ... shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone (21:8 Revelation)
If you tolerate non-believers or those of another faith, than by definition, you are NOT a True Christian! At best you're engaged in creative selection of 'facts' that suit you.
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Mon May-15-06 06:07 AM
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4. Not all people who believe in God are Christians. |
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Also, many Christians reject that exreme and narrow minded interpretation of Christianity.
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Mon May-15-06 02:02 PM
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8. You're a fundamentalist visiting here, aren't you? |
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Mon May-15-06 04:47 PM
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When I think of Christianity I think of the crusades, of torquemada and burnings at the stake, the salem witch hunt, and a thausand year regression of progress.
I see it happening all over again. The rise of christian fundamentalists, the infiltration of the school system and infection of the governing body, and even active meddling in science.
I won't have it. I won't let christians or other Xians ruin human progress and all of what we have accomplished yet again which will surely happen if they get their chance.
No sir, I will not be silenced so easily, and speak out against public profileration of religion to put an end to that pest.
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Mon May-15-06 05:18 PM
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12. Remember the yin with the yang |
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nothing is all bad. Don't forget literacy, calligraphic script, hospitals, the civil rights movement, the antiwar movement, and millions of fine folks who believed and lived their lives decently.
I have no argument with you about separation of Church and State. I'm all for it. But there are millions...MILLIONS... of us out here: people of faith who share your progressive ideals. Let's work together, not alienate one another.
Can you see the sense in that?
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Tue May-16-06 03:11 AM
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19. You speak words of wisdom, Tallahassee |
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And I am absolutely behind what you said just now. I am very well aware that there also people who use their faith for good. But I wish more people would do that, because ultimately, I don't care what drives people as long as they do Good.
But we all have to remain cautious. Because you also know there are a lot of Christians or Muslims or Jews out there who'd like nothing better than to undo that separation.
Peace.
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Mon May-15-06 09:31 PM
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16. sounds like you're as narrow minded as the fundies |
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if it weren't for monasteries back in the Dark Ages, we would have lost the vast majority of the knowledge from the ancient civilizations
for all their shortcomings, the various Christians denominations have done a lot for our culture
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Tue May-16-06 08:43 PM
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25. ...and if not for the Catholic Church, we wouldn't have HAD the Dark Ages. |
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Tue May-16-06 07:48 AM
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22. That explains the literalism. |
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Only two types of people insist on literal readings of the bible. Fundamentalists, and people trying to score points against religion. You've played both roles.
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Mon May-15-06 12:48 PM
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OK, I didn't answer number 3, I believe in the Gods, but I also don't believe in Hell, nor do I think those who don't believe in Gods are ignorant. So I left it blank, oddly enough, it still registered, talk about weird, and considered me 69% tolerant overall. But the test was too "pushy" for my taste, the answers were either poorly worded, or there weren't enough options.
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Mon May-15-06 01:29 PM
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7. The test is crap. They didn't even spell "nein" correctly. |
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Mon May-15-06 07:55 PM
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14. And a whole truckload of other words. |
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This looks like it was typed by a baked college student in the early morning hours after a "deep" conversation. I didn't even finish it.
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Mon May-15-06 08:02 PM
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Mon May-15-06 11:18 PM
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17. I see you didn't take it |
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Though we don't need any test to know where you stand on the matter. :eyes:
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Tue May-16-06 07:46 AM
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21. What you "know" and what's true are, sadly, two different things. |
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I did take the test. How else would I have gotten to the misspelled "tollerance"? Duh-uh.
Looks like you were more interested in a petty insult to someone you perceive to be on an opposing team than having a rational thought. I spell that, "bigotry".
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Mon May-15-06 02:03 PM
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but didn't get the score. I didn't want to give all that information. Might be the NSA!
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Mon May-15-06 05:53 PM
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13. You don't have to give any info |
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Just press next or whatever and they will give you your score
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Mon May-15-06 03:46 PM
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10. I'm more tolerant than 99% of people my age. |
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But I already knew that. I'm much more tolerant of Christians than most of my pagan friends.
There were several questions that offered no applicable choices, and I'm guessing that "nien" means "no." Not to be pedantic, or anything.
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