Bloodline of the Holy Grail

[G2099]

Bloodline of the Holy Grail has been described as The Book of Messianic Descent and it carries the subtitle The Hidden Lineage of Jesus Revealed. This of course indicates that Jesus had children and, by implication therefore, that he was married. So was he married? Did he have children? If so, do we know what became of them? Are their descendants alive today? The answer to each of these questions is 'yes'.

We shall be looking at the emergent family in some detail, following their story, century by century - the story of a resolute royal dynasty: the descendant heirs of Jesus, who struggled against all odds to preserve the Messianic initiative of the Holy Grail.

Our story is one of conspiracy; of usurped crowns, persecutions, assassinations and the unwarranted concealment of information from the people of the Christian world. It is an account of good government and bad government; about how the patriarchal kingship of people was supplanted by dogmatic tyranny and the dictatorial lordship of lands. It is a compelling journey of discovery: a view of past ages, but with its eye firmly set upon the future. This is history as it was once written, but has never been told.

http://www.karenlyster.com/bookish.html

[rurallib]

1. Sounds oddly like the Bush family

Could it be that W is ????

[Drum]

2. let's go with another story,

and clap him in the iron mask in some island jail....

[tocqueville]

3. I fart in your general direction! (the true story of the Holy Grail)

(King Arthur music)
(clop clop clop)
ARTHUR:
Halt!
(horn)
Hallo!
(pause)
Hallo!
FRENCH GUARD:
Allo! Who is eet?
ARTHUR:
It is King Arthur, and these are my Knights of the Round Table. Whose castle is this?
FRENCH GUARD:
This is the castle of my master, Guy de Loimbard.
ARTHUR:
Go and tell your master that we have been charged by God with a sacred quest. If he will give us food and shelter for the night, he can join us in our quest for the Holy Grail.
FRENCH GUARD:
Well, I'll ask him, but I don't think he'll be very keen. Uh, he's already got one, you see.
ARTHUR:
What?
GALAHAD:
He says they've already got one!
ARTHUR:
Are you sure he's got one?
FRENCH GUARD:
Oh, yes. It's very nice-a. (I told him we already got one.)
FRENCH GUARDS:
(chuckling)

ARTHUR:
Well, u-- um, can we come up and have a look?
FRENCH GUARD:
Of course not! You are English types-a!
ARTHUR:
Well, what are you, then?
FRENCH GUARD:
I'm French! Why do think I have this outrageous accent, you silly king-a?!
GALAHAD:
What are you doing in England?
FRENCH GUARD:
Mind your own business!
ARTHUR:
If you will not show us the Grail, we shall take your castle by force!
FRENCH GUARD:
You don't frighten us, English pig-dogs! Go and boil your bottom, sons of a silly person. I blow my nose at you, so-called Arthur King, you and all your silly English k-nnnnniggets. Thpppppt! Thppt! Thppt!
GALAHAD:
What a strange person.
ARTHUR:
Now look here, my good man--
FRENCH GUARD:
I don't wanna talk to you no more, you empty headed animal food trough wiper! I fart in your general direction! Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries!
GALAHAD:
Is there someone else up there we could talk to?
FRENCH GUARD:
No. Now, go away, or I shall taunt you a second time-a!
(sniff)
ARTHUR:
Now, this is your last chance. I've been more than reasonable.
FRENCH GUARD:
(Fetchez la vache.)
OTHER FRENCH GUARD:
Quoi?
FRENCH GUARD:
(Fetchez la vache!)
(mooo)
ARTHUR:
If you do not agree to my commands, then I shall--
(twong)

(mooooooo)
Jesus Christ!
KNIGHTS:
Christ!
(thud)
Ah! Ohh!
ARTHUR:
Right! Charge!
KNIGHTS:
Charge!
(mayhem)
FRENCH GUARD:
Hey, this one is for your mother! There you go.
(mayhem)
FRENCH GUARD:
And this one's for your dad!
ARTHUR:
Run away!
KNIGHTS:
Run away!
FRENCH GUARD:
Thppppt!
FRENCH GUARDS:
(taunting)
LAUNCELOT:
Fiends! I'll tear them apart!
ARTHUR:
No, no. No, no.
BEDEVERE:
Sir! I have a plan, sir.

(later)
(wind)
(saw saw saw saw saw saw saw saw saw saw saw saw saw saw saw saw)
(clunk)
(bang)
(rewr!)
(squeak squeak squeak squeak squeak squeak squeak squeak squeak squeak)
(rrrr rrrr rrrr)
(drilllll)
(sawwwww)
(clunk)
(crash)
(clang)
(squeak squeak squeak squeak squeak...)

(creak)
FRENCH GUARDS: (whispering)
C'est un lapin, lapin de bois. Quoi? Un cadeau. What? A present. Oh, un cadeau. Oui, oui. Hurry. What? Let's go. Oh. On y va. Bon magne. Over here...
(squeak squeak squeak squeak squeak...)
(clllank)
ARTHUR:
What happens now?
BEDEVERE:
Well, now, uh, Launcelot, Galahad, and I, uh, wait until nightfall, and then leap out of the rabbit, taking the French, uh, by surprise. Not only by surprise, but totally unarmed!
ARTHUR:
Who leaps out?
BEDEVERE:
U-- u-- uh, Launcelot, Galahad, and I, uh, leap out of the rabbit, uh, and uh...
ARTHUR:
Ohh.
BEDEVERE:
Oh. Um, l-- look, i-- i-- if we built this large wooden badger--
(clank)
(twong)
ARTHUR:
Run away!
KNIGHTS:
Run away! Run away! Run away! Run away! Run away! Run away! Run away!

(CRASH)
FRENCH GUARDS:
Oh, haw haw haw haw! Haw! Haw haw heh...

http://www.mwscomp.com/movies/grail/grail.htm#script

[muriel_volestrangler]

5. There's probably more truth in the Monty Python version

than Dan Brown's, or the Bible. At least they had everyone covered in shit, except for the king ...

[magellan]

4. Interesting read

It spends a lot of time explaining the omissions and mistranslations leading to the bible we know today -- Jesus being born in 'manger', Mary being a 'virgin', what 'messiah' meant at the time, and why it's quite possible that Mary the Magdalen was Jesus's wife. Intriguing stuff if one is open-minded. Thanks for the link!

[DoYouEverWonder]

6. The myth of Jesus

Came from people like Paul of Tarsus, who hijacked christianity and took the story of Jesus and melded it with the story of the pagan god Mithras. The result is what most mainstream christians think is the story of Jesus.

The discovery of the Nag Hammidi Library is a great resource for anyone interested in the writings of early christians before the church in Rome censored everything that didn't fit their POV of a male dominated political power.

[mmonk]

7. I believe that's Gnostic, isn't it?

Gnosticism predates Christianity and infltrated Judaism first. There is no evidence Jesus or his early followers were Gnostic.

[DoYouEverWonder]

12. True, gnosticism predates christianity

Of course since Jesus and his followers were Jewish, the first Christians were Jewish Christians. Has their teachings spread and more people became followers, gnostic christians groups evolved has did pagan christian groups.

There is some question about whether or not Jesus could be considered a gnostic and there is speculation that he spent time in the East and with the Essenes, so I think gnostic thinking was a big part of what Jesus was about or at the least greatly influenced him.

[mmonk]

13. He may have been influenced

by its mystic tendencies, but where Gnosticism had a remote god out in space, Jesus looked at god as much closer and one had to perfect oneself in order to perfect society.

[mmonk]

14. I have also studied the Essene angle

and while there may be influences, the company of Jesus seems less like the Essenes who were more status oriented in their approach.

[mmonk]

9. Also, the church in Rome was one of many

Christian communities. The Church in Rome was the western Church while the Church in Constantinople represented the Eastern Church. Constantinople was established by Constantine as the center, but before that, the church in Rome was considered the first among equals after the fall of Jerusalem.

[DoYouEverWonder]

17. Early Christian History is a subject

that I am just beginning to explore, so I make no claims to knowing very much. The wonderful thing about finds like the Nag Hammadi Library is that now we can go back to the original texts. Texts that have not been edited and retranslated 10 different times, so they give us a clearer glimpse into the beliefs and thinking during that time.

I was raised RC and went to catholic schools for 1 -12 grades. You would think that a curriculum that includes religion class every day that you would come out knowing something about early christian history. The only thing they tell you is that the christian were forced to live/hide in the catacombs under Rome and that they were fed to the lions on a regular basis. It wasn't until a few years ago that I found out the purge was done by the christians who followed men like Paul of Tarsus, who decided to deem everyone else heretics.

One thing that is a problem for those of us trying to figure this stuff out is that we have 2000 years of subversion and misinformation to cut through. Who knows who did and did not influence any one particular person? Does it even matter? One thing is that there are a lot of people with their own agendas who do not want people to know about movements like gnostic christianity. Who just poo-poo and discredit any mention of an alternative version of the Jesus story. Especially the folks at the Vatican. If people knew the truth, their sweet little gig would be up. That's part of the reason why they are so freaked out about the DaVinci Code. People are starting to ask too many questions.

[magellan]

10. Thanks

Can you believe I'm just beginning to seriously look into these alternative texts? I was so turned off to religion as a child (Catholicism) -- the divine magic and unattainable perfectionism of it -- that I shunned the topic completely for 30 years. Now I'm discovering that the church of Rome interfered for political reasons in the story of Jesus. And without all the nonsensical supernatural trappings, it's so much more accessible....I can relate! :)

[mmonk]

11. It's an interesting journey to take.

I did it years ago and still have volumes of text. I guess living in the bible belt and growing up Catholic, I had to take the journey myself for curiousity's sake. I came to the conclusion I could appreciate Jesus of Nazareth better through research without religious overlays, claims and counter claims by different Christian divisions and intent. I'm presently not that religious but appreciate ancient religion and Jesus better. I think Jesus existed, but it has been greatly polluted by early Christian infighting and prevailing religions of the time. I think he was more inline with Honi, the Circle Drawer, the Nazoreans, and John the Baptist than anything Christianity has offered up, especially after the 300's.

[aquart]

15. You might want to start with Robert Eisler.

Orpheus-the Fisher. Comparative Studies in Orphic and Early Christian Cult Symbolism.

[magellan]

18. Thank you kindly

I'll check it out.

[mmonk]

8. Keep searching.

[mmonk]

16. In my opinion,

if you want an historical perspective of Jesus, start with the writings of Geza Vermez.

[Critters2]

19. I agree

I recommend Vermes' writings all the time! I read everything of his that I can get my hands on!
He's brilliant!