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IndependentVoice Donating Member (330 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-13-06 01:35 PM
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ATTENTION ALL CHRISTIANS: I HAVE A QUESTION
Edited on Thu Jul-13-06 01:36 PM by IndependentVoice
Can god make a boulder so heavy that even he cannot lift it? Either way he can't do something.

Have a nice day
:hi:
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Richardo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-13-06 01:36 PM
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1. What does that have to do with Christians?
Edited on Thu Jul-13-06 01:38 PM by Richardo
It could apply to Muslims and Jews as well. Any monotheistic religion.

...and you forgot to credit George Carlin from like 30 years ago.
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IndependentVoice Donating Member (330 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-13-06 01:39 PM
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2. Because I don't see any other religious group on this site point taken
Edited on Thu Jul-13-06 01:45 PM by IndependentVoice
though, but still the question remains

ON EDIT: thats where it came from? oh damn I thought my friend made it up (so he claimed) thx
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catbert836 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-13-06 01:46 PM
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3. Maybe you should look harder.
We have plenty of Deists (believe in God, but no organized religion), pantheists, Jews, and a few Muslims around, as well as some other groups I've probably left out.

Your post's title should be "Question for all theists" instead.
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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-14-06 12:42 PM
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13. Carlin ripped it off from the Jesuits...
my father told me about having fun with that one at Fordham back in the 30's.

Who knows where the Jesuits ripped it off from...


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hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-13-06 02:29 PM
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4. I have a question: How is language related to reality?
Is it possible to say things that don't mean anything?
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Zebedeo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-13-06 05:12 PM
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5. Yes.
It is proven here daily.
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Evoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-13-06 05:23 PM
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6. Agreed ;) nt
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Evoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-13-06 05:24 PM
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7. Omnipotence is a minor problem, omniscience is the bigger problem
The question should be:

Can god make anything seeing as how he is not real?
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SPKrazy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-13-06 07:03 PM
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8. The Problem With Literalists
is that they think the bible is written to be taken at face value rather than as a literary work, filled with myth, wisdom, lessons, metaphor, and some just plain things that don't make sense unless you lived at the time they were written.

I'll have a nice day.

hope you find your answer
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-13-06 11:41 PM
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9. Smells rather like flamebait
Or is it genuine discourse that just comes across as flamebait? :shrug:
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nemo137 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-14-06 12:08 AM
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10. If not flamebait, then at least snark.
Personally, my favorite paradox is "could God microwave a burrito so hot he couldn't eat it." I think Kevin Smith first tossed out that poser.
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-14-06 12:22 AM
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11. Oh my
Did any believers ask the logical question of "Why would God lower himself to eat microwave burritos?". :rofl:


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Sam1 Donating Member (136 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-14-06 12:03 PM
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12. Since a "stone
so heavy that God can not lift it" is self contradictory it says nothing about the omnipotence of God.

See for example Thomas Aquinas
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TallahasseeGrannie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-14-06 07:20 PM
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14. Do you still beat your wife?
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-14-06 11:17 PM
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15. I like the cut of your jib TG
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Zebedeo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 03:08 PM
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16. "I am lying"
Spock: "I am lying"
Independent Voice: "Either Spock is lying or he is telling the truth. If he is telling the truth, then he is lying. But, if he is lying, then he's telling the truth, which means he is lying, which means he's telling the truth, which means he's lying. Wait -- he cannot be both lying and telling the truth at the same time. It's a logical impossibility. This means that it is impossible for anyone to ever utter the words 'I am lying.' Therefore, Spock couldn't have said that, and God doesn't exist."
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neonmessiah Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-17-06 06:08 PM
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17. Of course God can...
...and still lift it. God could also make a wall so high he can't see over it and then see over it. In addition, God could make an unbeatable being and then defeat it.

Being an omnipotent God means nothing if one cannot over come paradox.
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NAO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 01:41 AM
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18. Can God microwave a burrito so hot that he cannot eat it?
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SPKrazy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 08:54 PM
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21. God Is And Is In Everything
therefore God is the stone, the burrito, the microwave, and the person eating the burrito.
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craychek Donating Member (173 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-19-06 03:10 AM
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19. For the sake of arguement
God can create a stone he cannot lift and also be able to lift it at the same time :-) It is done like this. God is make up of three different parts: The father, the son, and the holy spirit. He can creat a rock that say, his holy spirit cannot lift, but the father and the son can. And thus, the question is answered with out contradicting the idea that God can do anything....

HOWEVER, this is a literalist question... it's a fundalmentalist question... basically it's saying that if God can't do everything God doesn't exist. Well, why not say that God CAN do ALMOST everything save for logical impossibilites... would that really make a difference? Would it really matter if God could do everything or could do almost everything in this universe? For all those who think that God can do anything LOOK at the bible CLOSELY. There are several instances where he does show limitations, especcially in the realm of leadership and forethought... There is also the fact that his powers apparently have their limit because after creating everything in the universe over 6 days, he had to rest on the seventh day. If his power was limitless, he shouldn't have to rest now should he? Well, now I'm rambling and I thnk I'll stop. Laters all.
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SPKrazy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 08:53 PM
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20. You Call It A Fundie Question
start out good,

then answer it using fundie logic
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Zebedeo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-20-06 09:48 PM
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22. God wasn't "tuckered out" on Day 7!
He was just done with the job!

"By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work." Genesis 2:2

He rested (or ceased) because He was done, not because He was winded.
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