How many people here believe in their religion enough to kill those

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

who don't agree.

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

1. Wow. At the moment, it's two "undecided" who don't have the balls to say

"why?"

[TomInTib]

3. Hey! I have the balls!

See #2

[Amonester]

12. Ditto (#10).

Yeah. I'm slow on keys (& it's late). So what? ;)

[Kailassa]

17. How did they vote undecided,

when there is no undecided option in the poll?

I have just voted "other" which may be what you mean.

It does not mean I'm undecided; it means the question is irrelevant to me.
- Irrelevant because my religion advocates tolerance, not killing, and believing in it and killing do not logically belong together.

As you may have guessed by now, I am not a Christian.

[TomInTib]

2. The Great Spaghetti Monster in the Sky

has yet to tell me to tell me whether to order Marinara, Pesto , or Olive Oil, Lemon, and Garlic.

I am so conflicted.

[Occulus]

4. the last three

save the other two for lunch tomorrow.

:evilgrin:

[TomInTib]

7. I'm eating cold pizza for breakfast.

I will take your suggestion under cosideration for lunch.

[ClintonTyree]

21. Ramen to that!

The FSM moves in mysterious ways. I too am waiting for his noodly directive in this area.

[everythingsxen]

5. Cthulhu says...

We are all gonna die.

[Name removed]

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[SammyWinstonJack]

23. !

:applause:

[uppityperson]

8. don't hurt people, don't hurt things. Other than that I don't care.

lots of ways to the same end of being decent, having a good life without causing pain. Even if your religion says hurt people, still I would not kill you.

[madeline_con]

9. Other

Please don't try to "save" me. I might end up being more righteous than you, and you'll lose your seat on the bus!

[Amonester]

10. Other. Anyone call me what you want, but as long (or as short, I

don't care which) as I shall be able to breathe (and 'move'), I will never give up working for a Just peace (and peace for me means 'no more senseless wars that never work anyway anymore' - and especially the barbaric & criminal wars for greed of this 21st century - contrary to too many others, with all due respect...), and the first two options too often lead to those destructive wars. Also (off topic or not), I will never give up working for a better environment.

What's life for if not for peace, love, Just laws, and the Just sharing of responsibilities and human rights? If it's not for all of these, then: bye now.

[NMMNG]

11. As long as you are not harming others,

I don't give a flying rip what you believe. Once you start harming others using your belief system as an excuse we're likely to exchange words.


I'm an atheist BTW.

[tyedyeto]

13. Read or watch what Joseph Campbell has to say about religion

and it's origins.

Excellent series on PBS with Bill Moyers on the Mythology of Man.

[Selatius]

14. I voted Other, and here's why

I am a Deist.

You see, like others, I don't give a flying fuck what you believe in. I don't judge if your ideas are radical or mundane; that's not my purpose in life. Where I will be forced into killing you is if you attempt to kill me because I refused to convert to your religion or because Deism is the "wrong answer." I believe in self-defense. I don't believe in aggression, and neither do I believe in authoritarian methods towards spreading one's "gospel."

As a result, I constantly find myself condemning Christians who try to legislate away the rights of homosexuals. If you try to attack people's rights to freedom of expression and freedom of thought, I will not support you. If you try to destroy their lives, I will oppose you.

[BeTheChange]

15. I selected "Other" because I'm a Christian..

And as a Christian, I believe in grace and love. Grace and love don't leave alot of room for killing.

Self defense is something else entirely.

[B Calm]

16. The christian God that hates Muslims?

[Disturbed]

18. Killing others because they don't ascribe to one's

religious or spiritual beliefs is a form of insanity. In the legal definition it is still a serious crime.

[BeTheChange]

26. No...

My God doesnt hate Muslims. Christianity has nothing to do with hate. Regardless of what you have been conditioned to believe.

[Dead_Parrot]

19. I believe...

...I'm going to have another glass of wine. If you don't believe that, that's your problem.

[Hubert Flottz]

20. "believe in their religion enough to kill"

But not enough to "FORGIVE" or to "love" instead of hate, to "judge not". No wonder Jesus wept.

[WePurrsevere]

22. Harm none & don't try to shove your beliefs on me or others & I'll return

the "favor". I don't believe there is just one path that is the "right" one and I refuse to stick the "Divine" in a tiny box created by humankinds still limited mindset.



"But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg. - Thomas Jefferson

[PsychoDad]

24. ...

My religion states I must respect your choice of religion or no religion, and must treat you justly and fairly as a fellow human being.

Peace.

[IndependentVoice]

25. I'm disgusted that there are even 5 people on DU who would kill others

they don't know over religious beliefs, to you five when did Jesus ever kill those who disagreed or did not believe him? I read it in the bible but it was awhile ago so I don't remember where but there is a part when Jesus tells the disciples to dust the sand off the shoes of the towns who forsake you, which he said was a sign of leaving them to their own fate, NOT killing them. Also when passing through a town that chased them out two of the disciples were begging Jesus to call down fire from heaven to burn the town, Jesus refused to. So if Jesus won't kill why would you if you strive to be more like him?

I thought the people here were tolerant, and they are, and I know this is just five people, but I thought DU was one of the few places on the net where people like that didn't exist. It truly is saddening

[BeTheChange]

27. Why would you ASSUME those voters were Christian?

Maybe they are Jewish, Muslim, Scientologists.. etc.


It is very bigotted to assume such a thing and sure not TOLERANT at all.

[IndependentVoice]

28. I don't see much other than deists an christians in the R/T do you?

lol i have never heard of a killer scientologists either. I was simply making an assumption based on the beliefs of others here. Please if anyone here is not a christian or Atheist, Agnostic, etc please tell me. If so I will eat my foot b/c it will be inserted into my mouth.

A good question is why do you assume they are not? sounds like your no better than me in a different sense

[charlie]

29. This poll began in GD

and was moved here. There's also a crapload of new posters signing up every day to stir shit up. And finally, some folks will choose "unthinkable" options in polls just to mess with people's heads. I wouldn't waste time worrying about it.

[SPKrazy]

31. Nothing Other Than Deists and Christians?

On R/T????

This forum has atheists, agnostics, Christians, Muslims, Suffis, Deists, and many other beliefs (or non beliefs) FSM

[BeTheChange]

36. There are all kinds of people here on DU..

so, yeah I have seen plenty besides deists and Christians.

I dont assume anything, but I do think it is very bigotted to assume only Christians, or followers of Jesus who you directly cited, would be any more prone to answer the question that way... then Jews, Muslims, agnostics, etc.

Obviously some people's hatred runs so deep that they think they can cover it by trying to turn it into someone elses problem. I'm sorry life has made you respond this way and feel such horrible things about others.

Shalom

[TallahasseeGrannie]

38. They might not be Christians, you know!

[Igel]

30. It's possible to be sure that your beliefs are right,

but have, as one of those beliefs, that your responsibility ends with being willing to state your beliefs and verbally defend them.

It doesn't imply that you don't care what others believe, or respect their beliefs systems as such. It just means that it's not your job to command what is good and prevent what is bad. Even if you think the others are horribly misguided, you tolerate them. No need to appreciate their beliefs, or even have "respect" (in the sense of some sort of admiration) for them.

[Solon]

32. Considering in my religion, we are obligated to not give a shit...

what others believe, as in we are forbidden from proselytizing, I would go with choice number 2.

[JerseygirlCT]

33. It's not possible

I couldn't truly follow my religion and kill people over it.

[SPKrazy]

34. I Would Kill For My Right, And Your Right To Believe or Not Believe

but not because you didn't believe the way I do

I think we are in more danger in this country of being told that we can't believe a certain way, or that we have to believe a certain way than we are of being hit by terrorists again.

[Random_Australian]

35. I DO care about what people believe, but that is only to understand

the world. I DO care about people whos beliefs are going to cause trouble, eg. the KKK.

However, I don't even WANT people to agree with me. Therefore I have no logical reason to kill them for not agreeing.

And I happen to be an extremely logical person.

[TallahasseeGrannie]

37. I replied other

because I'm not going to kill you, but I do give a shit what you believe.

Especially if what YOU believe is that I have no right to believe what I want to believe.

Also, I'm a nice person and I hope everybody settles into a nice belief/non-belief that works for them.

Now, if you mess up my tomatoes in my garden I just might have to kill you. But belief? Nah.

[WoodrowFan]

39. that depends

are we talking non-Presbyterians :shrug: or Braves fans? :mad:

[Rabrrrrrr]

40. Your question needs refinement

Are you asking: Would we kill them simply because they are of a different faith, even if they were posing no physical, economic, or other threat to us?

Or - would we kill them if they were trying to kill us/use violence against us to force us to change religion, or just because of our faith, and violence was the only possible reponse left for us?

Or - would we kill them if they were trying to keep us (or others) from practicing our (or their) faith, and violence became the only possible response for us?