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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 05:20 PM Original message |
Rejecting Some Myths, Believing In Others |
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Don_1967 (231 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 05:33 PM Response to Original message |
1. If one doesn't believe in the resurrection then why be a Christian |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 05:43 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. That completely misses the question. |
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bigmonkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 05:42 PM Response to Original message |
2. There are different kinds of belief. |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 05:44 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. I would hope my OP made it clear I was talking about... |
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bigmonkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 05:53 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Profession of belief has a conviction and a legalistic part. |
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hughee99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 05:42 PM Response to Original message |
3. I think for many it's a matter of evidence... |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 05:49 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. That's a point I considered, too. |
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hughee99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 06:02 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. I don't really understand it either, |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 06:13 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. I think there's something else to it too |
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hughee99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 06:21 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. Again, I don't really understand why some people believe |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 06:26 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. I don't think it's a matter of believing some parts and not others. |
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hughee99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 06:49 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. Isn't this basically the same, though... |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-01-06 12:41 AM Response to Reply #17 |
28. IMHO, yes. |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-01-06 04:00 PM Response to Reply #6 |
42. I should have read hughee99's response... |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-01-06 09:39 PM Response to Reply #42 |
46. There's the possibility of him not dying at all, as well. |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 05:53 PM Response to Original message |
8. I used to believe in both, but not anymore. |
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ayeshahaqqiqa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 06:24 PM Response to Reply #8 |
13. Divine powers |
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ayeshahaqqiqa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 06:15 PM Response to Original message |
11. How about not looking at beliefs at all but rather at experience? |
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Finder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 06:30 PM Response to Reply #11 |
16. You seem to have a distinct gnostic view. n/t |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 07:49 PM Response to Reply #11 |
19. Assuming these experiences even happen, and are what believers believe they are... |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 06:29 PM Response to Original message |
15. I believe in a literal creation described in poetic, not exact, language |
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ayeshahaqqiqa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 06:49 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. bryant, you made a good point |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 07:51 PM Response to Reply #15 |
20. Do you believe in Hell for nonbelievers? |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 08:16 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. No I don't |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 10:02 PM Response to Reply #22 |
27. Perfect! You absolutely can answer the question, then. |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-01-06 08:24 AM Response to Reply #27 |
33. To answer this question I'd have to talk about my specific faith |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-01-06 09:41 PM Response to Reply #33 |
47. Yikes. I better end it here. |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-02-06 03:12 PM Response to Reply #47 |
51. Seems like it. |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-01-06 06:23 AM Response to Reply #22 |
30. So...not interested in giving your insight? |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-01-06 07:46 AM Response to Reply #30 |
32. I'm sorry I went to bed before seeing this question |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-01-06 09:35 PM Response to Reply #32 |
45. No worries! |
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Realityhack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 07:58 PM Response to Reply #15 |
21. Interesting |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 08:18 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. It depends on how we are using poetic liscence |
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Realityhack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 08:23 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. So... |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 08:33 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. Accurate in what they teach |
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Realityhack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-30-06 08:42 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. I am not trying to trap you. n/t |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-01-06 02:19 AM Response to Original message |
29. The myths are one thing, but it's hard to defend cherry-picking the teachings |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-01-06 06:26 AM Response to Reply #29 |
31. Wow, that's an even better example than mine. |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-01-06 09:06 AM Response to Reply #31 |
35. Jesus? Peaceful and merciful? |
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PinkUnicorn (546 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-01-06 09:27 AM Response to Reply #31 |
37. Well |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-01-06 09:02 AM Response to Reply #29 |
34. nothing like a simplistic reading of a verse, out of context. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-01-06 09:12 AM Response to Reply #34 |
36. That interpretation of the text doesn't address the problem, kwassa. |
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kwassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-01-06 10:25 AM Response to Reply #36 |
38. It does address one problem |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-01-06 11:29 AM Response to Reply #38 |
39. In this case, context doesn't change the meaning |
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hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-01-06 06:46 PM Response to Reply #39 |
43. Or he was casting the question in a way the Pharisees couldn't win. |
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okasha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-01-06 10:24 PM Response to Reply #43 |
49. Or, "You're starving your parents (thereby breaking the Law of Moses) |
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hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-02-06 06:03 PM Response to Reply #49 |
52. No, it was more subtle than that. |
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okasha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-02-06 06:38 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. Agreed. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-01-06 11:41 AM Response to Reply #38 |
40. You're kind of missing the point, I think. |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-01-06 07:21 PM Response to Reply #40 |
44. Not necessarily. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-02-06 12:37 PM Response to Reply #44 |
50. Ah, but we aren't quoting our divine dad when we do that. |
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Brentos (230 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-06-06 02:43 PM Response to Reply #50 |
55. Only if.... |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-01-06 09:43 PM Response to Reply #34 |
48. False, as trotsky and jpgraz explain well enough. |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-01-06 03:18 PM Response to Original message |
41. As a non-believer, I'd say... |
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Danger Mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-03-06 01:19 AM Response to Original message |
54. Hmm |
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