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Onceuponalife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 05:03 PM
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Why Manny is Manny
It was Manny Ramirez bobblehead night at Dodger Stadium. The crowd was a sellout and was in fine fettle buzzing in anticipation. But where was Manny? He had been hit in the hand by a pitch the night before (replacement Juan Pierre earned a standing ovation from the crowd as he went in to pinch-run, showing the class of the Dodger fans as they demonstrated their appreciation for the amazing job Pierre had done while Manny served out his suspension) and had been given the night off by manager Joe Torre.

Then the opportunity arose with the bases loaded in the 6th inning. Out comes Manny to pitch hit. He had not taken any batting practice per Torre's orders or even hit off a tee. He was only 3-27 previously in his career with no home runs as a pinch hitter and had never faced Nick Masset, who came in specifically to face Ramirez. Masset had only allowed a sub .200 batting average against righties previously. It didn't bode well for Manny. Or did it? Manny proceeded to send the very first pitch he saw scorching into the lower right field stands known as Mannywood. It was his 21st grand slam of his career, two shy of Lou Gehrig's record ( a legend and my favorite player of all time. I have to admit, it makes me ill to think that his record will most likely be broken by a PEDster).

Even Reds manager Dusty Baker wanted to snag a Manny bobblehead after the game. And thus Manny's superheroic legend is further cemented in Dodger baseball lore, much to the consternation of two deluded Giants fans on this board.





Manny gets pinch-hit grand slam for DodgersPreview
By BETH HARRIS, AP Sports Writer
15 hours, 29 minutes ago

LOS ANGELES (AP)—Manny Ramirez unleashed his pent-up power in one electrifying swing that landed, fittingly, in Mannywood.

Ramirez’s tie-breaking pinch-hit grand slam in the sixth inning on his bobblehead night Wednesday sent the Los Angeles Dodgers to a 6-2 victory over Cincinnati, their 12th consecutive at home against the Reds.

“It’s crazy,” he said.

He was kept out of the starting lineup for precautionary reasons with a sore left hand after being hit by a pitch a night earlier.

“Just the way he was sort of stalking around the dugout, I could feel something would happen if he had the opportunity,” Dodgers manager Joe Torre said.

Did it ever.

It was Ramirez’s grandest moment since returning July 3 from a 50-game suspension for violating baseball’s drug rules. He’s batting .347 with four homers and 17 RBI in 16 games since coming back.

“I guess Manny’s hand wasn’t as bad as we thought,” Reds manager Dusty Baker said. “It doesn’t get more dramatic than that—a grand slam on your own bobblehead night. That’s the stuff that I’d seen out of Barry Bonds(notes) and Hank Aaron.”


Ramirez said his hand felt good, but that he planned to ice it after the game.

Fans at the sold-out game chanted “Manny! Manny!” as they saw him in the dugout putting on his batting helmet. The anticipation built as the Reds changed pitchers.

Without a single practice swing, Ramirez sent the first pitch from reliever Nick Masset(notes) into the Mannywood section of lower left field seats for his 21st career grand slam, giving Los Angeles a 6-2 lead and putting the crowd into a frenzy.

“It reminded me how loud it got when we hit those four (consecutive) homers against San Diego,” catcher Russell Martin(notes) said, referring to a dramatic Dodgers win in 10 innings against San Diego in 2006.

It moved Ramirez into second on the career grand slam list, trailing only Lou Gehrig’s 23. It was his first grand slam since 2005.

“It was one of the best moments in my career,” he said. “I’m just glad it happened in LA.”

Ramirez had never seen Masset pitch before, let alone heard of him.

“That’s pretty much the area I wanted to put the ball. It just didn’t sink the way it normally does,” Masset said. “I was just trying to jam him, get a ground ball and get out of the inning. I was basically trying to go at him with my best stuff and it didn’t work out.”

Teammates shoved Ramirez onto the top step of the dugout, where he waved his cap to acknowledge a standing ovation for his 11th homer of the season and his first career pinch-hit homer.

“He’s the magic man,” Martin said.

It was Ramirez’s first homer into the “Mannywood” section, which was resurrected after his suspension ended.

Ramirez’s exhilarating moment was the only souvenir for 6,000 fans who went home without a bobblehead, which were limited to the first 50,000.

“I was just trying to get a good pitch to hit,” said Ramirez, who arrived at his locker and peeled off his Dodgers shirt and white pants to reveal street clothes.

“Now can I go home?” he said, drawing laughter.

The Dodgers set the stage for Ramirez’s heroics with one out in the sixth. Bronson Arroyo(notes) (10-9) walked James Loney(notes) and Matt Kemp(notes), then Martin singled hard to left to load the bases. Arroyo gave way to Masset, who warmed up as the crowd got worked up in anticipation of Ramirez’s at-bat.

“I’m running around the bases amazed, just laughing. I was in awe,” Kemp said. “He’s amazing, man. I can’t really explain him. I’ve never seen somebody who can go up there, no warmups or nothing, and just go hit. I need at least a couple of swings.”

The victory moved the NL West-leading Dodgers 27 games over .500 for the first time since the last day of the 1988 season, when they went on to win their most recent World Series championship.

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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 05:12 PM
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1. Put him in the same league as McGuire---Bonds---Canseco--
The Cheat league.
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Onceuponalife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 05:24 PM
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3. Yes, he cheated. According to the rules of baseball
he paid his punishment. Now I think the punishment was too lenient but it is what it is.
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inthebrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 05:25 PM
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5. Wasn't he taking FEMALE hormones?
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Onceuponalife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 05:40 PM
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9. Supposedly it was for erectile disfunction
but no one really believes that.
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Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 06:20 PM
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12. I guess you don't have that problem
least not when it comes to Manny..
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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 11:43 PM
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31. Freaking perverts.
What is your issue with his genitalia?

Pev!
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 06:43 PM
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14. Sorry---nice try...
He'll always be a cheater to me.

Plus---shouldn't we strip him of his HR's etc?
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Onceuponalife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 08:04 PM
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17. But how do you do that?
Do you go through each person's home runs and go "We'll delete these over here, but we'll keep these over there because we don't think he was doping then?" That would be absurd. It's all MLB's fault for letting this go on for far too long and looking the other way while raking in millions based on a home run boom. It takes an act of Congress to get these guys to do something.

Look, this is how I would like them to handle it and be fair to everyone: Say from now on, starting next season or whatever, make a line in the sand and say it's a lifetime ban on anyone who tests positive to PEDs. But grandfather it in and apply it only to new players coming into the league. Current players would still get the 50-game ban or whatever they decide the penalty should be.
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JonLP24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 08:31 PM
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21. That is the most sane thing about the topic I've read in this forum
I expressed similar sentiments myself.
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 08:47 PM
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22. So it's the MLB's fault that Manny cheated? Is that your take?
How about this standard.... the seasons he did steroids--- we erase his accomplishments?

How about that?
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Onceuponalife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 10:19 PM
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26. No, that is not my take
but they were certainly enablers when they obviously knew full well there was widespread use and did nothing to stop it.

I think trying to go back and playing time cop, righting past wrongs, would be a foolish endeavor and counter-productive. It would make MLB look like a complete joke. I favor the asterisk. Take the list of players who have been known to use and put an asterisk next to their names in the record books which would say something like..."This player was known to use performance enhancing drugs during their major league career" or something to that effect. The public, then, would be left to decide on their own what to make of it.
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 08:01 AM
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37. I agree with that...
Manny's got an asterisk... agree?
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 10:24 PM
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28. Do you support subtracting home runs from Bonds?
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Onceuponalife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 12:42 AM
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33. I don't supporting subtracting home runs from anyone
That would be trumad.
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 12:44 AM
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34. Alright cool. I just wanted to confirm that you agree Bonds is the all-time
MLB home run leader.
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 05:18 PM
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2. Even Dusty Baker wanted a bobblehead
:rofl:
Dusty should want to keep a managerial Job for more than a year a time more than he wants a cheater bobblehead
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Onceuponalife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 05:25 PM
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4. I'm sure there are plenty of baroid bobbleheads darkening his mantle
Come to think of it....what about Kevin Mitchell? He always looked pretty puffed out.
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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 05:29 PM
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6. Speaking of puffy...


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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 05:36 PM
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7. Speaking of puffy, are you at least being classy enough to
remove your right hand from your boxers while you type all of this in front of us?
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Onceuponalife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 05:39 PM
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8. I don't wear boxers
and I don't jerk off to guys, unlike....well, never mind.
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 05:45 PM
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11. We believe you
Manny lover.

I say you were good for two after the grand slam. :rofl:
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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 08:15 PM
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19. Interesting how you Frisco Kids have spent the last 16 years
in your bedroom stroking yourselves senseless to this..



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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 05:42 PM
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10. Not much respect for peope who willingly root for these guys.
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Onceuponalife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 08:09 PM
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18. But what are you supposed to do when "one of these guys"
is on your team? Root for failure and it hurts your team?

Besides, you seem to be assuming I started this thread to honor Manny instead of some other, more satisfying reason....:think:
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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 08:18 PM
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20. Well, I would have to question anyone who would actually support the Red Sox
who won World Series based on a what we now know is a Cheating Roider. Though, I guess, they are trying to emulate the ways of Bill Bellicek.

:shrug:
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 09:46 PM
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24. What do you want us fans to do about it now? I didn't know he was doing roids when he was here.
And there's no evidence that the team did either that I've seen. If either of those were the case I'd have a problem. I don't single out the Dodgers, Cards, Cubs, Orioles, and SF because they had players who did steroids. I blame the players who did it, and the dumbass fans who support them even after finding out. If you want to harp on me for supporting a current player on the Sox that we know is on roids feel free. Just tell me who it is first.

And the shots at Belichick are lazy. I have an NFL Films video from 1982 and there's a clip where the coaches and players are talking about the advent of video cameras being used to film coaches signals, so to act like the Patriots are the only team that did it is naive. It was going on for decades, and probably still is. There's a reason the NFL sent out a memo before the 2007-08 season about stealing signals to ALL the teams in the NFL, not just New England.

And you can go back and look at my posts when this broke. I was calling for a bigger penalty then they got, including forfeiting the Jets game, which would have ended the unbeaten streak before it even started. And anyone is free to explain to me how the Patriots still managed to win 18 straight AFTER being caught. Anyone who thinks that Belichick only wins because of cheating is an idiot. He may be an arrogant prick, but the fucker knows this game inside and out like few coaches before him, and I'd say that no matter what team he was coaching.

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Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 06:22 PM
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13. This is nothing but Manny worshipping
you're as bad as all the rest of the Dodger fans..
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 06:44 PM
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15. Do you worship Barry?
Thought so.
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Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 09:08 PM
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23. I don't worship anybody or anything
but I do defend Bonds against allegations that have yet to be proven.
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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 09:55 PM
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25. I call bullshit on that, upton.
We all know, based on what you and cboy4 say, is that you worship and idolize Barroid.

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Onceuponalife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 10:23 PM
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27. Exactly right
If Bonds had played for the Marlins or Yankees or whatever they would be all over him calling him a cheater.
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Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 10:26 PM
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29. Yeah sure...
your opinion of steroid use has mellowed noticeably since Manny became a Dodger and got busted...in fact, since he came back, you've been outright kissing his butt..witness this thread.
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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 11:39 PM
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30. You still can't respond to me. You worship Barroid, and we all
fucking know it. Stop the bullshitting about it.
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Onceuponalife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 12:44 AM
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35. I support a lifetime ban (how many times must I say that?)
How is that mellow? I suppose you would execute them?
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Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 09:51 AM
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38. Sure you do..
you've been offering that BS out of one side of your mouth while the other side is drooling over your new idol, Manny. I mean what is this thread all about? Oh, I know, you must support a lifetime ban for every player not in the tainted Dodger* blue. You're nothing but a grade A hypocrite.
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Onceuponalife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 02:07 PM
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40. Mission accomplished, Forkboy!
This is just too damn easy.

:silly:
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 07:10 AM
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36. Oh BULLSHIT Upton
You and your twin go on and on about how Barry is an example of standing up to da MAN! And making him into truth justice and the Steroid way...
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Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-24-09 10:01 AM
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39. Funny
but I was always under the impression that the right to a lawyer so that one can defend his or herself against prosecution was the American way. Like in, innocent until proven proven guilty....remember that?

I guess in your world someone like Bonds should just be declared guilty because you don't like his numbers or body type..perhaps you'd be happier in North Korea.
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bluedigger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 07:29 PM
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16. Good for Dodger's fans.
Manny is still a cheater and a quitter in my book.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 11:57 PM
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32. He'll always be douchebag to me.
This thread is kind of funny though.
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