Does it ever occur to a certain some people that the reason why payrolls are really high

[inthebrain]

in certain cities is because players also want more money as a condition for playing there?

Take the Arod contract he got in Texas for example. His demands were high for Texas but he was using them as leverage to get more money from the Mets. I recall something simialar happening with Ramirez' initial negotiations with the Red Sox.

I know it's probably pointless to point these things out. Playing in Boston and New York baseball wise is akin to playing in a city like Toronto or Montreal for hockey. When your baseball player in these cities the press goes out to rup up every aspect of your private life. It makes it hard to negotiate for another contract in another city when all those little aspects of your life are amplified times ten.

[cboy4]

1. You have to be living on the moon if you can't recognize the correlation

between why the top two payroll cities are in New York...

Yankees #1, Mets #2

Why the Chicago Cubs are #3

Why the Boston Red Sox are #4

Why the two Los Angeles/Anaheim teams are in the top 10 (#6 & #8)

Why Philadelphia is #7

Why Houston is #8


---The only surprise out of the the top 10, IMO, is seeing Detroit at #5


With the exception of a couple of those (yea, I know I'm going to get blasted for making comments about certain cities), who wouldn't give their left nut to play in NY or LA, etc.

It's not like teams are having to pay ransom. That's silly.

[inthebrain]

2. Detroit in the top five is only surpise if you're a raging idiot.

Funny that 1-8 are major cities and big sports towns.

[cboy4]

3. I disagree. I would never have guessed the Tigers' payroll is "only"

$7,000 less than Boston's.

Idiot.

[inthebrain]

4. You wouldn't have guessed that cause you're not very bright

and have a West Coast Bias.

You have no clue what goes on in other cities.

Players want more money to play in those cities. They use the smaller market teams for leverage and if they don't get what they are asking have those teams to fall back on.

[cboy4]

5. Listen stupid. Your argument is the reason the Red Sox or the Mets' payrolls

is so high is because the players are demanding they get that kind of dough.

A though it's going to be just pure hell having to live on the beach in LA

That's bullshit.

The reason these payrolls is so high, is because these teams are willing to pay more than other cities. They outbid other cities.

I guarantee the Yankees offer insanely attractive packages to lure people they want before they even begin the negotiating process.

[inthebrain]

7. They use other cities for leverage to get more money to play here

More West Coast bias.

Sorry to attack when of your favorite trump cards and blow holes in it.

Looks like you are gonna have to argue something else.

[BulletproofLandshark]

9. They couldn't pay me enough to play in NYC.

I can't see wanting my every move relentlessly covered by the N.Y. sports media and every mistake magnified under the limelight. I don't pull for any particular team in baseball, but if I could play for a team of my choosing, I think I'd want to go someplace like St Louis, L.A., or yes, even San Francisco. Not only for a better baseball climate, but also because I'd like the weather better.

[cboy4]

11. Yea right. They couldn't pay you enough to play for the Yankees and

have a pretty good chance at getting into the postseason and winning a ring?

Come on now.

Philadelphia fans are notorious for booing .. for showing no mercy for even the tiniest mistake.

If you're a good player, with self confidence, all you do is brush it off and then pick up your paycheck.

[BulletproofLandshark]

13. I can live with a few less million a year.

It's not like I'd be going broke if I played in another city. Plenty of other contenders, too.

[cboy4]

14. I think you're dreaming if you think you can find a city of contenderers

where the team doesn't face intense scrutiny from the press?

Why do so many people line up to go to NY if what you're saying is true?

[inthebrain]

15. Sure you can

where the media pressure isn't as bad as New York, the media capital of the world?

Nobody is saying that there's no pressure in other places. New York and Boston it's exceptionally bad.

Look what happened to Randy Johnson his first week here.

When Pedro and Manny used to visit here the press reported every single place they used to hang out. You can't sneeze in those two cities without it being reported to the press. Fuck, even Manny said that compared to here LA is much more laid back. His every move is not in the papers the next morning for people to pick apart.

[BulletproofLandshark]

16. God damn, you're thick.

I just made it clear I'm not interested in New York. No city has its athletes under a microscope the way the Big Apple does. I couldn't care less what other people are lining up to do.

[cboy4]

17. Yea and if Steinbrenner offered you $21,500,000.00 per year

and the Yankees were heavy favorites that season to win the World Series, I would say you were dropped on your head more than a few times as a kid.

What's wrong with your career being under the microscope if you're good?

Derek Jeter doesn't seem to care.

[BulletproofLandshark]

18. I wouldn't play for either New York team.

Because like I already said I DON'T WANT TO LIVE IN NEW YORK.

Now am I reaching you? Probably not.

[cboy4]

19. Oh my .. ripping the great city of New York! ... Well really, you would only

have to live there during baseball season, and you would be on the road half of the time.

You could live in one of those wealthy Long Islands neighborhoods, or you could live somewhere like David Letterman's upscale Connecticut estate.

On top of the that, you would be making twenty one million dollars a year and have a chance of winning a world series championship.

Plus, the big market exposure could mean lucrative endorsement deals that you wouldn't receive in Houston.

[Upton]

6. What is this, another excuse

for why the Mets aren't performing despite having the second largest payroll in baseball?

The Mets made some poor decisions and overpaid, Oliver Perez comes to mind...12 million for a guy who's won 2 games with an ERA of 7.68....

[inthebrain]

8. Nope, that is what happens

payrolls don't play ball on the field.

Players do.

Players that play in New York, Boston and Chicago are not going to play there for the same amount of money they are going to get in Milwaukee, Seattle or San Fransisco. They will use those cities for leverage purposes to get more money to play here. If it falls through they will play in those cities.

[Upton]

10. Not always

some players would rather be on the west coast, they'll even take a little less so they won't have to play in the heat and pollution which makes up the east.

[inthebrain]

12. You mean they'll take less money to play there?

WOW!!!

And you're whole point for dissagreeing in the first place?

Ya know Cboy ain't gonna be to happy with you.

[MrSlayer]

20. Imagine how much the owners are making if they can shell out that kind of cash.

Big markets equal big money.