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RockaFowler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-07-09 03:42 PM
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The NFL's top 10 most OVERRATED players
http://www.wptv.com/content/specialreports/story/The-NFLs-top-10-most-OVERRATED-players/cobKoYIE8kizEZ6Z9Sv_1g.cspx

1. Tony Romo QB, Cowboys
2. Chad Ochocinco WR, Bengals
3. Brett Favre QB, Vikings
4. Reggie Bush RB, Saints
5. Terrell Owens WR, Bills
6. LaDanian Tomlinson RB, Chargers (I don't agree with this one at all)
7. Michael Vick QB, Eagles
8. Brian Urlacher LB, Bears
9. Braylon Edwards WR, Browns
10. Jeremy Shockey TE, Saints
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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-07-09 03:58 PM
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1. Coming from a Phoenix sportswriter. Shouldn't the Arizona Cardinals take
Edited on Mon Sep-07-09 04:05 PM by madinmaryland
all ten spots??
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-07-09 04:31 PM
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2. I think Tony Romo
Edited on Mon Sep-07-09 04:32 PM by TZ
Should take ALL the spots on the list. Perhaps he belongs on the NFL's greatest choker list...btw Phoenix has three time the playoff wins over the Cowchokers in the last 13 years...
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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-07-09 04:45 PM
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3. Interesting how Dan Snyder chimes in!
Still trying to figure out how to sue fans who cannot afford their tickets?

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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-07-09 04:59 PM
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4. At least he's never taken a dime from Maryland
To build a luxury palace that most taxpayers will ever be able to afford going to
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JonLP24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-07-09 05:42 PM
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6. That makes sense
That is the reason why most experts picked them to lose against the Falcons, Panthers, and Eagles. Also a reason why most of them are still picking them NOT to make the playoffs. However a lot of things can happen from here and now but don't sleep on them.
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JonLP24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-07-09 05:41 PM
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5. Player's that get paid millions to sit on the bench
What an incredibly stupid list. Brett Favre is in the top 10 of every major passing category. Terrell Owens is in the top 10 of every major receiving category. LT I don't agree with either. Romo, Ochocinco depends on how high they are rated, they're very good players. I've seen Reggie Bush play in person twice, once in the NFL and in College and he is very good but has yet to unleash his full potential playing behind McAlister all those years and being hurt and like Romo and Ochocinco it depends on how high they are rated.
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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-07-09 07:23 PM
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7. +1
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 07:51 AM
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18. Tony Romo=Mr. September
He CANNOT handle pressure. THats why he is waay overrated. He is the Alex Rodrigez of the NFL. And until he is capable of winning a playoff game or one REALLY important game during the season (you forgot 44-6 already?) he is by far the most overrated player in the NFL. He's a celebrity QB...not a pressure QB.
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Poiuyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-07-09 08:00 PM
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9. Bratt Favre may have been great at one time...now he's just overrated
The way the national sportscasters worship him, you'd think he could win a Super Bowl single handed. There's no way any human could live up to that hype, much less one who's best years are well behind him.
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JonLP24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-07-09 11:17 PM
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10. IMO The only players that are overrated
is the players that are paid millions to sit on the bench. Not sure what sportscasters are saying but with the combination of the defense, Adrian Peterson, Favre gives them a good chance to win. Only time will answer these questions and I'm not into making predictions.

The only prediction I have is a team from the bottom will have a great year and one of the top teams will have a flat year. It happens every year.
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PVnRT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 12:20 PM
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38. No, he doesn't
Two years ago, the Packers were on the verge of going to the Super Bowl. Why didn't they?

Favre through an interception. IN OVERTIME.

The Packers lost to an 8-8 Vikings team in the playoffs....because Brett through six interceptions that day.

His TD-INT ratio has gone from roughly 3-1 in the mid 1990's (when he was, justifiably, the best quarterback in the league) to around 1-1, and sometimes less, the past few years. It's no secret that the Packers have been far more inconsistent during those years; they won, it seemed, more because of defense, good rushing, and an above average year from Brett.

Given that, yeah, maybe the Vikings can eek out nine wins and a wild card. But don't expect them to go much further; Brett will almost assuredly throw it away in the playoffs.
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JonLP24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 10:14 PM
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45. Only time will answer those questions
You could be right or wrong.
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mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-07-09 07:30 PM
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8. Tony Romo overrated?
Edited on Mon Sep-07-09 07:40 PM by mix
That is ridiculous. Every Cowboys fan knows exactly what he's about...he's talented but unproven and without a playoff win there is still much skepticism about his play. No-one claims he's another Staubach or Aikman. If they did, he would be overrated.

Romo's has only two full years in the saddle and I am happy with what he's done considering the turmoil of the club (see TO) and the OL problems Dallas has had, particularly last year.

Lame list. Where's Jay Cutler for example or Clinton Portis?
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 08:18 AM
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19. How many 1,000 yard seasons in a row has Clinton Portis had?
You do realize he's surpasssed John Riggins in many Redskins rushing records. Yeah. Waaay overrated..:eyes: Yeah those 1,487 yards last year so awful...
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mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 08:42 AM
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20. and all for naught
:rofl:
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 09:21 AM
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21. Hmmm.
I believe we have actually WON playoff games. Unlike Mr. crybaby Romo....
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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 08:08 AM
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30. Interesting that Portis has been in the league in 2002, and has really not
been on a team with more than 6 - 8 wins. Romo has been starting for all of two years.
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 08:33 AM
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32. ummm
Edited on Wed Sep-09-09 08:33 AM by TZ
10 wins 4 years ago. 9 wins two years ago. He's also won playoff games.
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JonLP24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 10:16 PM
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47. Really not?
What kind of statement was that? He was on a 10-6 team the last year he was with the Broncos.
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PVnRT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 06:04 AM
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22. ...and yet every year, we hear about THE GREATNESS OF TONY ROMO
and how he will rape and pillage his way through the NFC en route to a Super Bowl victory.

And every year, it doesn't happen.

So, yes, he's overrated, until he proves it.
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mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 07:00 AM
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24. I follow Dallas very closely, where have you read about
Edited on Wed Sep-09-09 07:03 AM by mix
"THE GREATNESS OF TONY ROMO"? He's talented, but not proven really and the Cowboys local press remains skeptical as do most fans...nice uppercase straw man...but hey if you've got the evidence to back up your claim, lay it on me.
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 07:11 AM
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25. Do you ever watch ESPN?
They practically slobber over him sometimes...:eyes:
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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 08:05 AM
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29. That would be you doing on the slobbering.
:eyes:
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 08:36 AM
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33. Nope sorry...this is whom I slobber over.....


Brains and good looks!! :woohoo:
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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 12:02 PM
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35. ??
:shrug:
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 12:05 PM
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36. David Duchovney of the X files...
:)
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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 03:09 PM
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39. Huh? What's/Who's that?
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PVnRT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 08:01 AM
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28. The national sports media worships him
Kind of like how they worship Brett Favre.
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hughee99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-07-09 11:44 PM
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11. "Overrated" is so subjective...
it depends on what you rate someone at. If you buy into the media hype for some of these guys, then yes, they are overrated. Ocho-Cinco is brought up as one of the leagues best receivers, but last years numbers certainly don't support that. Is it because he's on the downside of his career, or is it because he had a not very good backup QB throwing to him last year? Braylon Edwards in in roughly the same boat, though his QB's were healthy, neither was very good last year throwing to anyone, so it's hard to blame Edwards for that.

Shockey seems to get treated by the press like he's one of the best TE's in the game, but he's not, so in that respect, he's overrated.

Favre's career performance bring him into the discussion of one of the best QB's but he's not any more.

LT's still a top 10 RB, but because of health issues, he's not #1 anymore. If he could stay healthy, I still think he'd be a top 3 RB. Reggie Bush seems to have all the skills, he just can't stay on the field.

Personally, I think it's Eli Manning. Not that he's a bad QB, but he's got the biggest contract. He's in an offense that's heavily run oriented, and last year, the Giants D was top 5 in yards allowed. IMO, Manning gets a great deal more credit for the Giants success than is deserved. To his credit, he gets a disproportionate share of the blame when they lose, and he handles that pretty well.



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JonLP24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 12:12 AM
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12. I agree about the subjective part
However Shockey better be the best TE in the game. He is on my fantasy team, for week 1 I'm going with Zach Miller(ASU alum so my heart is with him) to start.
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hughee99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 12:23 AM
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14. Unless you got him late, prepare to be disappointed with him.
Health issues is one concern, plus, Brees likes throwing to WR's and RB's in the red zone at least since he's been in NO. I think Billy Miller had only 1 TD last year for the Saints. I think Shockey could have a good season in an offense that really uses the TE, but I don't think that's the Saints system.

I ended up taking Shiancoe late, just because Favre seems to like throwing to TE's inside the 20. Not a great pick, but a good value in the 2nd to last round. I think you might find yourself starting Miller more than Shockey this year. Good luck, I hope you have a great season.

:toast:
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JonLP24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 12:34 AM
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16. I did get him late. In the 13th round in fact(16 round draft)
He seems like a good candidate to outperform his value but I could be wrong. He's easily cutable in my view as I see about 5 potential good TE's in free agency. I like what Shiancoe has to offer, I think you will have a good year with him.

Good luck to you as well. :toast:
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PVnRT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 06:05 AM
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23. Agreed on Eli
He had perhaps the greatest comeback drive in Super Bowl history, yes, but he's done fuck-all else. He's above average at best, and needs talented people around to make plays, or he will start looking bad.
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DaveinMD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 07:59 AM
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27. so not true
Eli has numerous comeback win and had an excellent year. All the while, playing in a stadium that is not conducive to passing and playing against some of the best defenses in the league. If anything, Eli is underrated.
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hughee99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 11:57 AM
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34. The Giants had an excellent year.
Eli finished 17th in yards, 20th in yards per game, 19th in completion percentage, 10th in TD's, Tied for 20th in INT's. Admittedly, these numbers are where they are because of the Giants heavy reliance on the running game and a solid D that keeps them from HAVING to throw the ball late, but that's really my point. The Giants had a very good year even though their QB put up average numbers. I'm not knocking Eli for this, he did what was asked of him, but it doesn't make him the best QB in the NFL or even a top 5 QB.

He's also 14th in passer rating, which is far less a product of how he's used in the game plan. You can say whatever you want, but I don't see how Eli (the highest paid QB) and not top 10 in any category I could find, is underrated.

As for last years big comebacks, the only one I recall is when he drove the Giants down the field and scored with 3 minutes left (they later won in OT) against the Bengals. His runners had an off-day and he did play well.
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DaveinMD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 10:15 PM
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46. over the course of his career
he had a very large number of comebacks. As many as any QB in the league over that time. QB rating is a joke. It rewards short passes and taking sacks at the expense of incompletions. Milt Plum had a high QB rating than Unitas. Eli is a winner. Much like Ben. This isn't fantasy football. I'll take either of them over Brees and Rivers.
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JonLP24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 10:21 PM
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48. You have complete a high number of passes
Throw for a lot of yards and throw more touchdowns then interceptions it gives you a good passer rating. Sure yes it rewards short passes for long gains but it also penalizes you if a receiver drops a pass or bobbles it and a defender takes it from him. Pros and cons but it evaluates passer rating and not overall quarterback skills like it doesn't take into account a quarterback that scrambles for a first down when no one is open or throws it away before taking a sack, etc. Just remember it's passer rating but if you're a good qb you most likely will have a good passer rating.
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DaveinMD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 10:36 PM
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49. yeah passer rating
but it does not reward smart qb play. The smart play is not to take a sack. The rating rewards taking a sack. Its why Unitas' rating was lower than others and he's universally thought of as one of the best of all time.

I think its a pretty useless stat. It also assumes everyone is playing in the same weather conditions. Its not balanced out by the competition one is facing either. Football isn't baseball. It can't be boiled down to stats.
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PVnRT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 12:15 PM
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37. How do you have a stadium "not conducive for passing"?
Are there random walls hovering above the field that block the path of the ball? That simply makes no sense.

As joeybee points out, everything about him, including the all-important rating (a measure of how good a quarterback is regardless of the "system" he's in) is average. Middle-of-the-road. He's decent, but to be the top paid quarterback is vastly overrating him.
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DaveinMD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 10:12 PM
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44. the wind
at the Meadowlands is the worst wind to pass in the entire nfl. It swirls in all directions. Its a tough place to pass.

QB rating is a joke. It rewards QBs who only attempt short passes and who take sacks to avoid incompletions. Milt Plum had a better QB rating than Johnny Unitas. Who was better.
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Onceuponalife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 12:17 AM
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13. Reggie Bush isn't overrated.
He just needs a chance and a better team.
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hughee99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 12:26 AM
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15. And to stay healthy...
he has the skills, he just needs to prove his durability and I think NO will give him the chance to really thrive.
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-08-09 07:20 AM
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17. And which better team would that be?
Please share with me all the chances he hasn't gotten in New Orleans the past three years.
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 08:26 AM
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31. New Orleans is one of the best teams in football
what are you talking about?
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BulletproofLandshark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 04:44 PM
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43. Reggie Bush is a Dave Meggett/Brian Mitchell redux.
He doesn't have the between-the-tackles ability to be an every-down back. If he was going to be an elite featured back he would be one by now. What he will be is a career change-of-pace back and kick returner.
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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 07:39 PM
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52. I agree, he doesn't even start
how can anyone call the backup player overrated. Over-paid maybe, but not overrated.
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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 09:36 PM
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53. Any Man That Dated Kim Kardashian
can never be overrated. I recall seeing Reggie being interviewed during the NBA playoffs, and I shouted at my tv, "Reggie, what the hell are you doing at a basketball game with that beautiful woman waiting for you at home?"
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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 10:13 PM
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54. true dat
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Jo March Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 07:35 AM
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26. Where is Vince Young on that list?
He should be up there, in my opinion. He had a great rookie year with the Titans, but he then underperformed when faced with adversity. A little bit of booing and he "hurt" himself. Then there was that whole suicide scare thing.

Overrated. :eyes:
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 10:41 AM
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50. I think he isn't considered over-rated now because everyone pretty much
knows he stinks.
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Jo March Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 06:39 AM
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55. Ah. I see the criteria now :)
Okay, I'll settle for Top 10 Most Overpayed, then. :D
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-11-09 03:20 PM
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56. Top Ten biggests busts, too...
...and I ain't talking about his shirt measurements.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 03:22 PM
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40. Those who have been in the league ten years and have physically taken a beating shouldn't
really be on this list.
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smoochpooch Donating Member (688 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 03:53 PM
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41. Eli, he is a butthead who refused to play for San Diego.
Very average.
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-09-09 04:24 PM
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42. Yeah---he only won a superbowl 2 years ago.
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erpowers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-10-09 11:44 AM
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51. Brett Favre Most Overrated
I think there should be a number of changes made to this list. First, as I said in the title of this post Brett Favre should be number one on this list. Tony Romo may be slightly overrated, if overrated at all, but he is that that overrated. I think many people have questioned Romo's level of play. A number of people have claimed that Romo needs to do better this year and in the future to prove that he is a top level quarterback. On the other hand Favre throughout his career has not really done that much in comparison to the hype he gets. In my opinion he is treated as if he is a four Super Bowl winning quarterback or as if he is the greatest quarterback ever.

Second, Michael Vick should be moved up to number two on the list. I do not think that Vick has done that much since he has been in the league. In addition, he has always been a very inaccurate quarterback. Vick has always been given a pass on his passing struggles due to his ability to run. However, one can ask the question what has Vick's running ability done for his teams.

Third, I think Brian Urlacher should be taken off the list. Even the author of the list admitted Urlacher had 93 tackles last year. That is not that bad for any defensive player in the NFL. The player with the most tackles had 154 and the player with the second most tackles had 141.
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