DISGRACEFUL! A team has less the one quarter of time possession

[madinmaryland]

and wins the game. 27-23.

Sorry, tru!

[Upton]

1. Miami now 0-2

Yep, this year the Dolphins are playing a REAL schedule.

[trumad]

5. Shouldn't you be worriying about your Giants caving?

[Auggie]

2. I wouldn't have believed it unless I had seen it. n/t

[madinmaryland]

3. Horrible game management at the end.

They looked like they had fallen asleep on offense.

[Scurrilous]

4. Must have been past Chad's bedtime.

They took over 2 minutes to run their first 5 plays.

Zzzzzzzzzzz...

[Jack Rabbit]

6. I remember th 49ers winning a Monday night game in spite of having less ToP than the Cowboys

It was a long time ago. If I remember right, Danny White's favorite receiver that night was Ronnie Lott. That had a lot to do with it.

[PVnRT]

7. It's bizzare. Manning finds ways to win in the season,

but can't do the same thing in the playoffs. If he did, he'd have two or three rings right now instead of one.

[BOSSHOG]

8. Having 3/4 time of possession and losing? THAT'S disgraceful!

[NJmaverick]

9. It's all about those field goals instead of touch downs

you can't have the ball for 3 quarters of the game and only produce 23 points.

[joeybee12]

10. 0-16! Cheer up Lions fans!

You're gonna have company!

[trumad]

11. Oh please---

Miami has to good of an offense to go winless....

Worry about your pats...now that could be a letdown.

[madinmaryland]

12. Well you should get two wins against the Patsies!

:evilgrin:

[joeybee12]

13. Hmmm...45+ minutes for only 23 points....

...at home.

[trumad]

14. 14 more than the Pats.

[madinmaryland]

15. You could use someone's argument that points don't really matter.

:D

I remember that from last year when their team lost, but they claimed they won!

[Forkboy]

17. You call 14-9 a victory?!?!111!!

:rofl:

[madinmaryland]

22. Hey! What are you doing back here?

:rofl:

[Forkboy]

24. He even posted the screenshot of the box score with his comment.

One of the funniest things I've ever seen here. :rofl:

[madinmaryland]

25. You got a link to that?

[Forkboy]

28. No, not handy, and I'm not up for scouring his posts as I'm already feeling queasy today.

:)

Trumad might have one handy though.

[madinmaryland]

29. H1N1??

[Forkboy]

30. LOL...no, too many meatballs last night.

:D

[madinmaryland]

31. Uhhh. You're not supposed to let them age on the counter for a week!

:puke:

[Forkboy]

32. Well, that's the last time I take cooking lessons from this guy!

[DaveinMD]

16. Teams

that can't score with the forward pass are not going to win enough to be true contenders.

[trumad]

18. There have been many teams that have won by simply running the ball.

Pennington was the 2nd rated QB in football last year so---I think he can forward pass.

[DaveinMD]

19. again

stop with the QB rating stuff. He throws a bunch of short passes so he has a high completion percentage. But he doesn't challenge teams downfield. You aren't going to win with that type of QB. I mean you can win in the regular season, but you won't win the big one.

Running is important, but the ability to score in the air is much more important. If you have a Ravens of 2000 defense, you can buck this trend. Otherwise, not so much.

Long term, the Dolphins would be better served phasing Pennington out and getting that QB from Michigan ready.

[PVnRT]

20. Hate to tell you this

QB rating takes into account yards per attempt as well. So, no, it's not just guys who throw short passes who get a high rating.

Or do you really believe that people like Brady, Manning and Warner all just throw short passes to boost their rating?

[DaveinMD]

21. those guys are great QB

they make plays downfield. Pennington is not. Whenever he plays the better defenses, he can't function because he can't get the ball downfield. Pennington was second in rating. Does anyone think he was the second best QB in the league? The Dolphins brought this wildcat stuff in because they couldn't get big scoring plays with their normal offense.

Whenever we have this QB rating stuff, I come back to what Ernie Accorsi says about rating. Any system that had Milt Plum with a higher rating than Johnny Unitas is inherently flawed.

[PVnRT]

23. You're isolating one case and using it to indict the system

That's like saying that because it once rained when I played golf, it always will, so golf sucks.

Furthermore, Johnny Unitas is tied for 62nd in career passer rating. Milt Plum is tied for 125th. How is 125 a better ranking than 62?

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_rating_career.htm

[DaveinMD]

26. I think he was talking about a specific season

there are so many things wrong with the system. It rewards QBs that hold the ball and take sacks rather than throw the ball away. It doesn't penalize fumbles. It doesn't have "park factors" that account for different weather conditions that affect QB play. Its a pretty hideous system and akin to judging a baseball hitter only on batting average.

[PVnRT]

27. QB rating is nowhere close to batting average

Batting average is hits/at bats. Period. Rating is a conglomeration of key passing stats. They aren't even comparable. More comparable would be OPS, and, guess what, baseball players are judged by that, along with their batting average. Or would you argue that Dave Kingman is a Hall-Of-Fame player?

Milt Plum finished ahead of Unitas in rating once, in 1960. Plum had a rating of 110, which is outstanding by today's standards, to say nothing of the era when he actually played. For the other 13 years they were both in the league together, Unitas beat him out every year. Oh, and in 1960, Cleveland went 8-3-1; Baltimore went 6-6. Unitas led the league in yards and attempts, but also threw 24 interceptions against 25 touchdowns. Plum? Fewer yards, but 21 touchdowns versus 5 interceptions. Which would you have rather had on your team that year? If you say Unitas, then I can only conclude you're in John Madden world, where quarterbacks like Brett Favre of the past few years are good because they're "gunslingers" who "have fun out there." I guess fun is throwing the ball in the air and hoping one of your guys catches it.

It rewards QBs that hold the ball and take sacks rather than throw the ball away.

Quarterbacks who do that tend to throw a lot of interceptions. Ref: Brett Favre

It doesn't penalize fumbles.

Fumbles have nothing to do with passing the football. In fact, you can't pass if you fumble it.

It doesn't have "park factors" that account for different weather conditions that affect QB play.

I have no idea where you get this from. For one, I cannot find anything through Google that mentions football park factors. Either you're alone in believing this or no one who does puts anything on the internet.

What are park factors? Wind? If so, how do you explain Steve Young leading the league six times and holding the career best rating of 96.8 playing in windy Candlestick? Weather? Of the top 10 career leaders, three have played significant portions of their career in domes (Manning, Warner and Brees) and three played in northern climates (Brady, Pennington and Roethlisberger). So what are "park factors"? There are no trends whatsoever to back up the idea that "park factors" somehow influence quarterback rating.

[DaveinMD]

34. if you think

that there is no difference in the ease of passing playing in warm weather/dome conditions compared to playing half your year in extreme winds/cold weather I have no idea what to say. For an example of this, take a look at the home road splits for Drew Brees last year. They are stark. The fact that Brady flourished in such conditions is a testament to how great he has truly been.

Guys that hold the ball and fumble instead of throw the ball away adversely affect their team. Not having that reflected in a rating for QBs renders the metric useless. Same thing for the fact that the taking of sacks is not reflected in the rating. The statistic is a joke. I mean do you really think Pennington was the second best QB in the league last year? I guarantee you defensive coordinators in the league don't think so.

[trumad]

33. Sorry dude---but you're dead wrong.

His average pass last season was pretty damn good--- hell---it was even better than Peyton's...

Chad did not lose that game the other night and neither did his offense. It was the defensive secondary that fucked that one up.

[DaveinMD]

35. you see

I don't think his year was better than Peyton's any more than I think Matt Schaub was better than Big Ben. Your YPA is going to be higher when you complete so many passes. But he's still not challenging defenses down field. And of course, there is the cup cake schedule you guys played. But that's another issue.

[trumad]

36. Enough of that silliness...

His YPA is fine---you stated it wasn't---you're wrong.

[DaveinMD]

37. he doesn't throw the ball downfield

his ypa is completely from a high percentage created by the dump off pass. When he plays the good defensive teams that take away the flats and the middle of the field, he gets exposed. This was true in NY and it was true last year.