The Big Ten. 12 teams or a 16 team super conference?

[Condem]

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/13165979/delany-big-ten-may-swallow-irish-in-expansive-landscape?tag=coverlist_footer;coverlist_photo_content

http://blogs.ajc.com/barnhart-college-football/2010/04/05/what-happens-if-the-big-ten-goes-to-16-teams/?cxntfid=blogs_barnhart_college_football

Two articles with the same info. Hmmmm. This expansion could shake college sports to the core. And it's all in the Big Ten's hands.

[madinmaryland]

1. **ck Notre Dame. They are irrelevant as a real competitor in the NCAA.

Let them join the MAC and make that a "Super Conference"

I'd be happy to see a Pitt or WVA join the Big Ten. **ck Notre Dame! Their next football contract will have them on CNBC!

[Condem]

2. Disagree, mad.

I would LOVE to have them. Simply. For the entertainment quotient it would provide the legendary Sports Forum. Think of the threads every time ND plays. READ the articles, mad. Delany is about to change the whole landscape. Fascinating what the Big Ten could become.

[Upton]

4. I read the articles

and they're nothing but speculation. Interesting that both pieces end similarly:

I'm not saying it's going to happen. I'm saying the components are in place for it to happen.

Only the man at the controls of that killer asteroid knows for sure.

And:

None of this could happen. Or all of it could. So stay tuned.


Looks like these writers have a lot of time on their hands..

[Condem]

6. Upton. They were in Indy.

Not fucking San Antonio. Every AD and coach in the nation was present. Meetings took place. This, sir, is much more than idle speculation.

[madinmaryland]

12. I'M in SAN ANTONIO, Condem. You are in Iowa somewhere in a corn field,

and Upton is west of the Rockies.

Get your facts straight!

[Condem]

15. Yup, mad.

And the only AD's or coaches there were of the participants. All Womens BBall emphasized this year was what a fucking snore it truly is.

[madinmaryland]

17. Well, if the big ten goes to 16 teams in football, I think it will be a total disgrace.

They may even lose me. As you have said it's only for the greed. I don't want the big ten to be like the sec or the fucking yankmees.

[Condem]

21. Don't be too selfish, mad.

I don't think the Big Ten honcho's give a shit what you think. Or I, for that matter.

[madinmaryland]

22. Heh! I see you are trying now to waffle out of your support for going to 16 teams!

[Condem]

24. When you've got the world at your feet, mad...

it's said the grass is always greener when it bursts up through concrete.

[madinmaryland]

25. Stop bogarting that joint and pass it around!!

:smoke:

[madinmaryland]

10. Sorry, Condem. But I have no use for Notre Dame and their holier

than thou attitude. Screw that. BTW, I don't want Liberty, Oral Roberts, or Bob Jones Universities in our conference either.

[Condem]

28. I understand your hatred of ND, mad.

I understand your enmity. However, to get them in means WE OWN THEIR ASS. Lock, stock and two smoking guns.

[madinmaryland]

30. Sorry, Con, but I cannot agree with you.

I have no desire to see them desecrate the Big 10. I would happily see them join the WAC or Big Sky Conference. At least then, upton could not bitch about that "east coast bias".

[MadBadger]

3. I want 12 or 11

[Condem]

5. Staying put isn't an option, Mad.

You know that. The easy thing is to add ND. But I think we add Rutgers, Mizzou and Pitt along with the Irish. The Big Ten will own at least 40%
of the nations TV's. Maybe more. It's mind boggling. The revenue at stake with this move.

[MadBadger]

7. A bloated conference for football is ridiculously stupid

Not looking at money, it would suck to have a conference so big with only 8 conference games.

[Condem]

8. It certainly isn't just football, Mad.

The Big Ten Network was Delany's baby. Adding ND would be just great. As a fan I'm going to be a bit selfish here. As a former Pennsylvanian, traveling to Pitt or NJ to see old buds and watch the Hawks kick some east coast ass, I'm all for it. Think of the Hoop league. Incredible.

[madinmaryland]

14. Are you responding to me?

I didn't know you were from PA.

[Condem]

19. Hell, yeah, mad.

Born in Deeeeeetroit (a GM baby) and raised in MI til' sge 9 (long enuf to see the Tigers in '68) then moved to the Phiily suburbs (Bucks County). Always looking for a reason to go back. Now, it's only for funerals.

[MadBadger]

9. And that AJC article says they are looking at 3 plans. 11, 12, or 16

So if 16 is an option, 11 certainly is too

[Condem]

13. Expansion never would have been brought up.

Plus, the Big Ten is spending $$ to see who adds the most $$. Certainly wouldn't do that if they planned on staying at 11. No way, Mad.

[madinmaryland]

11. 16 teams for football is just assine, Condem. You are right, that it is

mind boggling. Yeah, mind boggling stupid.

[Condem]

16. You don't have an open mind, geezer.

I, for one, would love some new blood in the schedule. You. You're thinking like Woody Hayes. Stubborn old bastid.

[madinmaryland]

18. You know, I bet Hayden Frye would have called BS on the league going

to 16 teams also. If you want new blood, why don't you just start rooting for one of those western athletic conferences that changes its names and teams every several years!

Heh. Got both you and upton in one sentence!!

[Condem]

20. It's F-R-Y, mad.

He's still alive, BTW.

[madinmaryland]

23. I knew I would get your attention with that!

Has anyone asked Coach Fry's opinion? Bet its pretty close to what I said!

[Capt. America]

26. 12 is enough. ND may as well join, they play 3 Big 10 teams a year already.

[Liberal_Dog]

27. Speaking As A Big 12 Guy

12 teams works out really well scheduling-wise for both football and basketball.

[madinmaryland]

29. +1

[Condem]

31. Get used to it, guys. Here's the breakdown.

Woody Hayes Conference:
Ohio State
Michigan
Rutgers
Penn State
Michigan State
Pitt
Indiana
Purdue

Bo Schembechler Conference:
Notre Dame
Illinois
Northwestern
Iowa
Minnesota
Wisconsin
Missouri
Nebraska

[madinmaryland]

32. That's one of the dumbest fucking things I have ever seen, Condem.

How long have you been a Big Ten Fan?

A couple of weeks?

:wtf:

[Condem]

33. Bookmarking that comment, mad.

You certainly do not understand the power of the almighty $.

[madinmaryland]

34. I certainly do understand the power of the almighty dollar.

As I worked for Merrill Lynch in the late 90's while they successfully spent millions of $'s repealing the Glass-Steagall Act, I was appalled. I knew then, that what they were advocating for would fuck this nation to hell, and it did. Seeing the internal emails every day made me want to puke.

Is that what you want to happen to the Big Ten? If so, then you really are a phony.

[madinmaryland]

37. Actually, you do have the "Woody Hayes Conference" about right...

Rutgers... NFW. West Virginia, yew.

Obviously there will be no Bo Schembechler Conference without UM, so that will never happen.

Of course you could call it the MAC-2.5, and there is no way in hell Nebraska & Missouri (interesting how you snuck them into the big 10) would ever join the big 10.

Just let ND move into the MAC and this will all be a moot point, and us REAL Big 10 fans will be happy.

:hi:

[Condem]

38. You better rethink some of your arguments, mad.

The AD for Nebraska (Tom Osborne) and the president of Mizzou said they would both listen if the Big Ten called. This is common knowledge to anyone who has been following the expansion. West Virginia has never been considered. Thank God. We should put a little wager on this deal.

[jakefrep]

35. 12 might be OK. 16 is a joke

No league should be allowed to get so big that every team can't play every other team at least once a season in every sport.

[MadBadger]

36. Then with your argument, the Big ten is too big as is.

I agree that 16 is a joke, but they only have 8 conference games in football and 11 teams as of now. You arent going to play every team every year. It is however manageable with 12 teams. 16 teams is ridiculous.

[LisaM]

39. It better not happen

However, who cares what I think? No one, apparently.

"Tradition does not mean that the living are dead, it means that the dead are living". - Harold Macmillan


I guess this is just a big FU to all the greats from the past.