Brewers on top against you know who 2-0 in the 4th

[enigami]

[JohnKleeb]

1. The Tom Yawkeys?

oh oh the Yankees, yeah I see that, they got a long summer ahead of them if they keep on playing like this, while I was at lunch today I got a copy of the Washington Times, hey no flames, it was the only paper the place was offering and I read an article today about what Steinbrenner is saying about all this, he's saying something like that Cashman and Torre have to take responsiblity blah blah, this is why I have no respect for that man, he won't take any responsiblity when his team is sucking in large part to his large gambles.

[enigami]

2. I agree

if the guy was JUST the owner. But jeez You know he micro manages everything. When I own my own team I wont make that mistake.

[JohnKleeb]

3. Yeah he's heavily involved in what goes on

He should take some responsiblity, that said Steinbrenner can complain about Torre all he wants but its not Torre who has been signing all those big names to play for the Yankees who are not doing well at the moment.

[enigami]

4. Paid for what they have done

not what they can do. More power to em I guess

[DaveinMD]

6. Torre

has managed horribly. He should have been fired long ago. Womack still bats second and Matsui cleanup. The pitching usage is horrible. I could go on and on and on.

[JohnKleeb]

7. Yeah but dont you think Steinbrenner should take some responsibity

For the way the team is playing. After all he is the one who wanted to sign all those big names, him and Cashman that is. He cant be that bad, hes only missed out on a division title once as manager. Torre that is. Anyhow another thing I have to ask why do the sportscasters act like Torre has been part of the force behind their dominance the past 10 years, seems to me if what I hear from Yank fans like you is true that the only thing that has made them really a good team isnt really a good manager to keep them together but a bunch of big names. I really think that signing Johnson to play for 16 million a year was a mistake, hes a hall of famer first ballot dont get me wrong but hes not worth that much.

[DaveinMD]

8. the great Yankee teams

weren't big names. They were built by Gene Michael and Buck Showalter while George was suspended. Torre won with those teams. He's always been a poor manager. He's great in PR. Great at media relations. That's why he has teflon.

As far as George, you should here me go over some of the mismanagement on some Yankees boards. I contribute to this satire site sometimes. www.nomaas.org.

The Maas refers to Kevin Maas who had a great rookie year in the early 90s when the Yanks finished in last place.

[JohnKleeb]

9. Ha I remember him, didnt he have like 11 home runs in 100 at bats

Yeah I think thats why youre falling right now, I am telling you, have some big names on the club but have some role players too, I am sure you remember Scott Brocius who was key to your 1998 or was it 99 victory, he wasnt a huge name but he got the job done in the playoffs. Mark Bellhorn did that for the Sox a little last year. You need balance I think to be a good team these days, sure its nice to have a big payroll and big names but you need a balance between stars and guys like Brocius who arent making the all star team but getting the job done. Oh another
player like that I remember is Shane Spencer, I remeber that start he had his first year. Anyhow, I think the problem with the Yankees this year is the same the Orioles had after 97, they got too old despite having star power and a big payroll.

[DaveinMD]

10. Maas hit 20 one year

and fell off the earth. Brosius was great in 98 and Spencer was great that year too. We had a bunch of very good players back then. It was an amazing team. We were also younger. The Yanks need to get back to developing some young players. Cano and Wang are a good start. This team can turn around pretty quick with one good offseason. There is a ton of money coming off the payroll this year.

[JohnKleeb]

11. You got to develop your young

Thats part of our success this season, our best pitcher this year isnt a big free agent but Erik Bedard who was a sixth round draft pick in 98. I agree its a good start with Cano and Wang, see you guys gotta balance I think, thats what made them good in the late 90's and the hero of the 96 series was Jim Leritz not a big name in any way but he got the job done when he had to get it done. You really expect them to cut the payroll, I think it would help honestly. Part of our falling of grace in the 90's was we had no farm system. Just telling you my perspective on this. A losing season isnt teh end of the world for them.

[DaveinMD]

12. not cut payroll

what I'm saying is a lot of payroll is coming off the team, so they'll have a ton of money to retool. The entire pen but Rivera are free agents. Bernie is off the books. Matsui is a free agent as well. With the year he's having he won't be back. That's about 60-80 million in money available.

There are some very good prospects in the pipeline. There are a lot of kids they are very high on who will be promoted with the next couple of years if they do things right.

[JohnKleeb]

15. Oh yeah I see

Yeah seriously develop your young, it will help. Our young prospects are doing very well for us right now and in fact I want to cut Ponson and put Hayden Penn in his place.

[DaveinMD]

18. the key

is picking the right prospects to keep and having a good mix of prospects with youth. In the 90s the Yanks traded away some prospects, but none of them ever amounted to anything and we added guys like David Cone, Chuck Knoblauch and Tim Raines. The guys we kept had very good careers. Bernie Williams, Andy Pettitte, Derek Jeter, Mariano Rivera, Jorge Posada. The rest were acquired through shrewd trades.

The next wave has already begun. I think Wang is going to be a front line starter. Cano is only 22. He'll be at 2b the next 12 years. Sean Henn is a 24 year old in AAA. He's lefty and throws 95. He'll be up by next year. They've got an outfielder named Cabrera in AA who can flat out rake. Eric Duncan is 19 and in AA. A lefty power bat who is one of the best prospects in baseball. I high A ball there are a ton of good pitching prospects. The best is Phillip Hughes who is dominated his level. He's been compared to Clemens. He's dominated despite not throwing his slider or curve. Only fastball and change. He was their 1st pick last year. So the future will be bright in they start holding on to some of these players. The RJ trade has been an unmitited disaster. Hopefully they learn.

[OneBlueSky]

17. it's tough to manage 12 or 15 corporations . . .

I mean, each of these multi-millionaire players is a full-scale business unto themselves . . . besides playing baseball (if that's what you can call it), there's the endorsements, the commercials, the personal appearances, the memorabilia, the autographs, the charity work, the public relations, and all the rest of it . . . ever try managing a dozen or more corporate entities pretending to be baseball players? . . .

[DaveinMD]

19. its not hard to understand lineup construction

Its not hard to know that you don't give your worst hitter the most at bat on the team. This is Tony Womack. He's horrid, yet Torre bats him at the top of the lineup.

Its not hard to know you bat your best hitter third or 4th. A-Rod has been hitting 5th while the slumping Matsui kills rally after rally.

Its not hard to know that you don't rest all your players on the same day. That's what Torre did against Boston two Sunday's ago. Its not hard to know you don't keep a nothing scrub over a good young hitter. That's what Torre did by keeping Russ Johnson over Andy Phillips.

His strategies are awful and the team has no fire. Its time for a change. He's been here long enough.

[DaveinMD]

5. a team from DU

could beat my Yankees the way they are playing right now.

[HuckleB]

14. Quite frankly, I'm a bit shocked.

I thought they had it going on, as usual. Not that I'll be surprised to see them find a groove again. But this May-June swoon is surprising.

[HuckleB]

13. Ben! Ben! Ben!

Not bad. Not great. But we'll take it, and hope that the turnaround is on its way.

Woo hoo!

Brewers!

(I don't get to scream for joy often, so I'm gonna do it when I can.)

[JohnKleeb]

16. Can you sweep them please so I can gloat to my ex carpool buddy at

graduation :).

[HuckleB]

20. I'll be rooting all game long, today, with everything I've got!

Salud!

And Congratulations!

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