Frank Robinson: Raffy's stats should be erased

[northzax]

WASHINGTON -- Washington Nationals manager Frank Robinson thinks Rafael Palmeiro's statistics should be erased because the Baltimore Orioles slugger was suspended for a failed drug test.

"Where do you go back, stop and say, 'OK, when did he start using steroids?' To eliminate all that, and get the players' attention, you wipe the whole thing out," Robinson told MLB.com in a story posted on the Web site Tuesday night.

"Why put the burden on baseball to try and figure out where to go, and maybe put an asterisk? Just wipe the whole thing out."

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2141581

question: should this be like amateur sports, where using an ineligible player means you forfeit? and how can we change the stats of the players he went against? we'd have to recalculate the ERAs of a bunch of pitchers, no doubt. It'd be interesting though, have him completely erased from the game...

[ironman202]

1. we're at war, our constitution is being gutted

and the people just move on to the next idiotic sporting event...

[northzax]

2. um, it's ESPN

and the Sports Forum, kinda the raison d'etre for both, don't you think?

[ironman202]

3. I stand by my statement

[northzax]

4. well, then let me help you out

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=104

maybe the GD forum is more your style?

[Midnight Rambler]

5. Nothing says we have to be focused on politics and war 24/7

There's other things in this world to discuss, as long as we don't lose focus. If all that's on your mind is all the negative stuff going on, that's a good way to go insane.

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[DaveinMD]

7. I work in politics

everyday most of the day. People are allowed a little diversion.

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[DaveinMD]

10. miracles happen

I would think we agree on a lot of things that matter a heck of a lot more than sports.

[Captain Hilts]

15. I need the diversion now, more than ever. (nt)

[theHandpuppet]

13. And you're visiting the Sports Forum why, exactly?

Sheesh!

[Captain Hilts]

14. Then why are here? (nt)

[Jersey Devil]

16. What are your diversions? Sex? Music? Theater?

Trolling?

[Jersey Devil]

17. self-deleted

[akarnitz]

8. Getting back to the original topic

Palmeiro has never done much for me. The guy didn't do much in the clutch when he came up w/the Cubs(my #1a team- Tigers are #1). I don't recall him doing much in the clutch after leaving Chicago, either. So he got a lot of hits. I've ignored him most of his career.

Erasing his stats isn't the way to address the issue. Selig should have bounced Palmeiro for life. That would keep Raffy from the HOF. Hell, Bucky Weaver didn't cheat-he simply didn't tattle- and he got the boot.

I'm not Bill James, so I'd love it if someone could tell me Palmeiro's stats when the game was still on the line vs. when the game was decided.

[Poiuyt]

11. I think Frank Robinson reads DU!

This is what I suggested on Aug 8

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=215&topic_id=21253

I should go on TV!

[theHandpuppet]

12. I don't know what the answer is...

But to see these steroid-saturated musclebots erase the record-breaking stats of true athletes makes me sick to my stomach and it makes a joke of the Hall.

[Jersey Devil]

18. Robby was one of the greatest sluggers of all time

and sees his great stats and those of his truly great contemporaries like Mays and Aaron and Mantle being watered down by guys who couldn't carry their jocks if they weren't juiced up.

It's about time someone of Robinson's stature spoke up about this.

[Lefty48197]

19. That would be unfair. Baseball ALLOWED them to take steroids for years

People should be booing Bud Selig.