Since 1969, the Big 10 NCAA football conference has won just five NCs

[trumad]

That's pretty damn pathetic!

Shit---The Miami Hurricanes alone have won Six since 1983......

http://www.hickoksports.com/history/cfchamps.shtml#1989

[northzax]

1. well, Miami had the advantage

of building powerhouse teams in crappy conferences. How many undefeated seasons died in either the Horseshoe or Big House when Miami was playing Boston College?

plus, until the BCS, the Big Ten was tied, like the Pac Ten, into the Rose Bowl, with only a chance at a quality opponent from the other conference as a real shot at a title.

but yes, on many years it is the deepest conference, but not producing the best team in the country. Maybe the Big Ten just needs to be more corrupt like Miami was?

[trumad]

4. Nice excuses throughout---

I used Miami more as an example rather than a partisan. Look--- you can scream all you want about how tough your conference is--- but so what.... If it was so God Damn tough, then perhaps more uh tough teams would have come out at the end and won some NCs.

No---the fact of the matter is, the Big 10 is a highly overrated conference and always has been.

As far as Boston College... I can't remember the last time Miami lost to them...

[northzax]

7. just out of curiosity

how many undefeated teams have come out of the Big Ten in that time span and didn't win at least a share of the National Championship? by my count, Ohio State in 2006/2007.

and by the way, how can it be overrated if they never win a championship based on voting? wouldn't that be the best sign of being overrated? by my count, between 1969 and 2000, 12 Big Ten teams won the Rose Bowl. if the league were, in fact, 'overrated' wouldn't the voters have rewarded those teams more often?

[trumad]

9. The Rose bowl...LOL

Big whoop dee dooo....

[northzax]

10. contractually the only one to go to

before BCS, right?

[trumad]

11. contractually

pretty much like Notre Dame blows NBC.

[northzax]

12. NBC makes a business decision

that more people want to watch Notre Dame than any other school. and hey, they make a lot of money on the deal, so they can't be all off. and let's look at the numbers, shall we? Notre Dame games last year averaged a 3.6 rating, nationally, that includes such games as Notre Dame-Stanford. Meanwhile, the prime time SEC championship game managed 4.5. in PRIME TIME.

If you were NBC, which would you bid on? a guaranteed decent audience every Saturday in the fall, or a one shot prime time game that does slightly better?

and let's do another comparison, shall we? the SEC championship game (the two best teams in the conference playing for the conference title, right?) was watched, in prime time by 7 million people. the Big Ten championship game (de facto, since the conference hasn't sold an additional game for money) was watched by 22.8 million in the middle of the afternoon. huh, seems like perhaps more people care about the Big Ten?

[trumad]

13. Dude---you keep bringing up the SEC like I give a fuck about that conference,.,,

Look--- I know your heavily scarred because a silly little conference team like Florida jacked the er mighty powerful Big 10 Buckeyes,,, but all I'm trying to point out is that the Big 10's lack of NC's is a clear indication of how idiotic BIG 10 fans are when it comes to how great their conference is.

4 NCs since 69 and the only defense you have is the Rose Bowl?.... Silly silly Ten'er.

[fishwax]

14. It's not that the Big 10 hasn't sold an additional game for money, it's that the rules state that

you can't have a championship game unless you have at least 12 teams in the conference. (At least, that's still the rule afaik. In 2004 the ACC, which had 11 teams at the time, petitioned for a conference championship game but were denied.)

[BOSSHOG]

2. There is a perfect and viable explanation

The Weather. The winters in the states which makeup the Big Ten are the worst during football season then anywhere else on the planet. Ever. So, because of the weather, which apparently makes for awesome football players, the Big Ten cannot entice the sissys from the SEC to come on up and play thus giving Big Ten Teams credibility. Can there possibly be any other explanation?

[trumad]

5. Yeah--- I guess the Green Bay Packers used that excuse as well.

AND Notre Dame must have won all those NCs indoors? OR the New England Patriots within the last decade must have super secret heated underwear....

Weather---give me a fucking break.

[BOSSHOG]

6. Check out the posts from Big Ten fans here

they always reference the weather.

[trumad]

8. Of course they do....

It's a convenient excuse but one that doesn't hold a bit of water.

[bamacrat]

3. Roll Tide..

We are leading the SEC but Florida is comming on strong.

[1gobluedem]

15. Maybe because the Big Ten, as a rule, doesn't recruit thugs

Who do nothing but star on the field (when they aren't fighting) and have no academic standards to maintain so it leaves them plenty of time to get in trouble off the field.

(OSU excepted)

Just sayin'.

[trumad]

21. LOL

All I had to do is Google "Michigan football trouble...

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=1B2GGGL_enUS176&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=michigan+football+trouble&spell=1

[1gobluedem]

27. Tell me how many are still on the team

I think that might be NONE. Get in trouble, you're gone.

[Awsi Dooger]

26. Nice try

Miami placed more players on the ACC all-academic football team than any other school last year including Duke. The Canes have improved the graduation rate substantially to the point it is well above average.

Here's a link that lists how teams in the football ranking fared in graduation rate. Miami in this '05 survey was at 67% and it rose substantially in '06. Notice Miami is virtually identical to Michigan and Wisconsin, and well above Ohio State and Iowa. Schools like Texas and Alabama and Georgia are woeful, far below 50% football Graduation Success rate.

http://und.cstv.com/genrel/122305aaa.html

[LisaM]

16. Let's play the championships up North! - OUTSIDE

I'd go to a MNC game in the Big House any day you name!

[BOSSHOG]

17. Lisa, Lisa, Lisa

is the weather the big ten's MVP? Year after Year? I don't care where the big game is played but I have incredibly little pull with the NCAA.

Congrats to the Wolverines. They have three players nominated for the Maxwell Trophy (AP story did not list the players names.) Five schools have three players nominated: Florida, Louisville, Texas and THE RAZORBACKS.

[LisaM]

18. I'm just saying - the Big Ten builds its teams for cold weather

thus, they rely more on size and a ground game. Their style of play is not suited as well to warm weather in January and they have always been at a disadvantage in bowl games.

You see in the NFL playoffs all the time that the cold-weather teams with home field advantage tend to fare well in the playoffs.

Michigan always turns out a lot of quality pros. I don't know what in God's name the Lions are thinking not to recruit more (or ANY) of their players. I remember reading through the roster of all the NFL teams one year and Michigan had 36 active players. They turn out Super Bowl MVPs, too -Brady, and Desmond Howard, and, I think one year, Ty Law could have been the MVP as well as Brady. And they don't tend to ring up the off-field problems, either. Unlike the University of Washington. That program has been out of control for a while.

[LisaM]

19. PS - you just love saying Lisa, Lisa, Lisa, don't you? LOL

I'm starting to use that as my name.

[BOSSHOG]

22. Yes I do

I like the way Marge says Lisa and our neighbors name is Lisa. I call her Leeeee-suh! very slowly. Very nice name. I bet you'd look good in a Hog Hat.

[LisaM]

23. I bet I wouldn't!!!!!!

I do tend to root for them though, but more for Bill Clinton's sake than anything. Also my mother and sister drove through the Ozarks. They said they were really beautiful, but as they were driving they saw a sign that said, "Last liquor for 60 miles!" so they had to quickly stock up.

[trumad]

20. Ya gotta get to them first....

[Awsi Dooger]

24. Miami gets to count 1989 twice? That's pretty clever

I'm only aware of 5 Canes titles. But that link in the OP somehow listed 1989 in the 1969-1988 category, along with 1989 and beyond.

Miami won 3 of its 5 titles in the '80s before the Big East was created so it's a nonsense argument that Miami was beating up on lesser foes. The Canes played a brutally tough independent schedule in those years including series with Oklahoma, Notre Dame, Penn St, and you name it. Miami destroyed LSU on the road 44-3 in 1988. The out of conference scheduling would have remained severe into the Big East era except wimps like Florida and Notre Dame dropped Miami.

Undoubtedly the Canes would have more than 5 titles if they employed the same type of soft out of conference scheduling that the Big Ten and especially the SEC routinely embrace. Miami was preseason number one in 1990 but lost the opener at BYU and Ty Detmer. Miami was number one and had an awesome team in '88 but lost at Notre Dame by 1 point.

The thugs reference was fairly predictable. Whenever Miami is mentioned that term is desperately summoned. Meanwhile, I seem to remember a prominent Ohio State LB trying to choke Wisconsin QB Sorgi on national television a few years ago, a deliberate attempt to change the outcome by injuring an important player in the 4th quarter of a close game. I guess we conveniently forget about things like that.

[LisaM]

25. That was terrible! But that was under Jim Tressel

Not a very good representative of the Big Ten and I for one, hope that he leaves the conference one day in disgrace. He runs out on the field and prays in front of everyone too, after the games, what a fraud, what a grandstander. You don't need to scratch the surface very deep to find out some of the shenanigans Jim Tressel has been involved with, both at OSU and at Youngstown State.

Jim Tressel flat out lied about that choking incident too (actually, I think the OSU player stepped on the Wisconsin player's throat). He stated that he didn't know anything about it and hadn't seen it after the game was over (even though the Wisconsin QB had to leave the game). We watched the press conference after the game with our mouths ajar.

Jim Tressel has been a real shame to the Big Ten. I don't care how many games his teams win. He wins it with people like Clarett who probably should have been ineligible, Troy Smith who took money from boosters but still got to play in the Michigan game, with his neck stomper, and on and on and on. You can ask me in all seriousness whether I would rather have Michigan lose a couple of games than have a coach like Tressel and I would answer, yes, I would.

[trumad]

28. I love ya dude...

In kind of a sporty way...;-)

You're right about the 5 not 6 titles... I get confused sometimes because Miami has lost more titles than most teams ever played for....