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[Tektonik]

Yes, Boston is a better team without Manny around. :P

[Forkboy]

1. .299 - 20 - 68 with us, in 3x as many months.

Yeah, losing that presence is killing us. ;)

How does a player that's pissing off all his teammates, playing half-hearted, if at all, and trashing the team in the media help them?

I eagerly await the answer to this. Seriously.

All you're doing is proving to everyone out here how unprofessional he is. His numbers out there clearly prove he wasn't trying here. Any player that deliberately tanks his game making his teammates suffer is a shitbag player who doesn't deserve any praise, no matter how good he is. It has nothing to do with owners or fans...but you fucking owe it to your teammates to play your ass off every night. That's not Manny's style though. It's all about him. No class, no professionalism, and no clue past that of a 13 year old. There's a hell of a lot more to being a teammate than just putting up numbers (which he obviously wasn't doing here anyways).

Again, it's great that you're enjoying his play. But don't think for a second that anyone out here is bummed over it. I've yet to hear a single person want him back. Even if he hits .500 he's still a sack of unprofessional shit, and any team is better off without players like that in the long run.

You'll have him for a few months. We had him for 8 years. He wore out his welcome in grand style. Everything Schilling said about him the other day was spot on, and it takes a hell of a lot for me to agree with Schilling, the Repuke bastard. :)

[trumad]

2. I guess the simple answer is----

Two World Championship rings. :shrug:

[Forkboy]

3. He was far from the only reason we got those though.

Schilling, Ortiz and Damon did as much as Manny, and the whole team carried their weight. He may help the Dodgers win one, too, but that doesn't change the fact that his totally unprofessional, me first team second attitude was killing the Sox clubhouse this year.

How does a player that plays bad on purpose because he's unhappy, trashes the team in the media, and pisses off his teammates help the team? I genuinely don't see how it can. Your argument about the rings is fine...if he was actually trying to win one for the Sox this year. But it's perfectly clear he was purposely tanking his game here. What's the good in a player (or even as a person) who does that to his teammates because he's pissed at the ownership?

That's like me voting for McCain because I'm pissed at a Democrat on DU. I'm unhappy, and I don't care what happens to the rest of you. That's Manny. Some teammate.

Even if the Sox lose they're better off with this daily circus out of town.

[joeybee12]

5. Ab-so-Fucking-lutely!

He was a drag on the team, and the interesting thing is that no one, NOT ONE Red Sox player has come to Manny's defense. While not bad-mouthing him, NOT ONE has said the team should have tried to keep him.

Yeah, you really want a guy around who throws punches at the traveling secretary...ass, total ass.

[El Supremo]

9. Maybe the traveling secretary deserved it.

What the fuck is a traveling secretary anyway? Some geek who knows nothing but taking messages?

[Forkboy]

12. Uh, the guy was 64 years old.

He's the guy who gets tickets for the players for each game. The players always get up to 8 tickets per game. Manny wanted 24. When he was told it couldn't be done he pushed that 64 year old "geek" to the floor.

Yup, he sure deserved it alright. :eyes:

[El Supremo]

13. 64 ain't old

So how did the traveling secretary tell Manny that he couldn't have them? Did they have trouble before? You seem to know a lot about the incident. Where you there?

[Forkboy]

14. Oh for fucks sake.

Do you realize you're defending someone for shoving a 64 year old guy? Does it even fucking matter how Manny was told? Does it make it ok if the guy was mean to him about it? Is being mean justification for pushing a 64 year old guy to the floor?

WTF, dude?

Tell me you're not seriously being this fucking insipid.

Here...this looks like a fair match for Manny. Lord knows he's probably too gutless to take on anyone his actual age and size.



Idiot.

[El Supremo]

15. Thanks for calling me names.

That really shows how old you are.

[Forkboy]

16. The idiot was directed at Manny.

The insipid WAS directed at you for floating the idea that it's ok to use violence when you get an answer you don't like. That doesn't say a whole hell of a lot about your own maturity level.

Ramirez had asked McCormick for 16 tickets for Saturday night's Red Sox-Astros game, an unusually high number for day-of-game. In addition to handling all travel details for clubs, traveling secretaries also take player ticket requests for both home and away games.

When McCormick cautioned Ramirez that he might not be able to fulfill his request, Ramirez responded by shouting: "Just do your job!"

http://www.beloblog.com/ProJo_Blogs/SoxBlog/archives/2008/06/ramirez_apologi.html


Yeah, Manny's just a regular ole good guy.

[Tektonik]

7. We'll see how Boston does in the playoffs without the anchor in their lineup

[Forkboy]

8. You really just refuse to get it.

The Sox are better off without Manny....WIN OR LOSE.

Please, let that sink in. I beg of you.

[El Supremo]

10. When you were young...

weren't you ever in a situation where you didn't feel part of the team because of the way you were treated? That's Manny. And yes it is childish. But a good talk in a team meeting and in private could turn the bad attitude around.

Now he is tearing up the National League. Good for him!

[Forkboy]

11. No, I never felt that way.

And I've played baseball, football and hockey in organized leagues. And you can bet that if I was unhappy I would have kept it within the team clubhouse and not trashed the team on sports radio. And from what's come out since the trade there were many, many teammates who tried just what you suggest. And for years the Sox mangement bent over backwards to keep his crap from coming out to the public.

Now he is tearing up the National League. Good for him!

I agree, good for him and the Dodgers. But the OP needs to realize that his being gone from Boston is a plus for the Sox, and trying to get digs in at the Sox for letting him go is totally ignorant of what went down with him and the Sox over the last 8 years.

[ticapnews]

4. Do Dodgers fans want him to sign a new deal with the team?

Or are they happy he's just going to be there this season and then will be on his merry way?

[Tektonik]

6. If he wins us this year's ring i could care less if he got 40 mil next year

[hughee99]

17. Just look at the offense, almost a run per game better without Manny...

With Manny, 4.93 runs per game (until 7/30). Without Manny (starting 8/1), 5.89 runs per game.

[Forkboy]

18. Shhhh. We're supposed to weeping and crying over our loss of the Mighty Manny.

Didn't you get the memo? :)

[hughee99]

19. I must have disregarded it.

Certainly, Manny has hit well since he left, but it's not like he left some gaping hole in our lineup. Also, I wonder what's in the water out in LA that keeps his "hammy from acting up", since it doesn't look like he's missed a game yet in LA.

[Forkboy]

20. Don't fear, the hammy will act up as soon as someone makes him upset.

Being the great teammmate that he is, I'm sure he'll play through it though. :rofl: