Here we go again with Iverson. I mean, who would sign this guy?

[cboy4]

Every team he plays for fails in the playoffs.

He has no proven track record of team success.

He is a distraction. Doesn't respect his head coaches.

He's a loser. Period.


Pistons to fine Iverson after guard misses practice Thursday



Detroit Pistons guard Allen Iverson missed practice Thursday and will be levied a "hefty" fine, coach Michael Curry said.

"I'm surprised when guys are late; I'm surprised when they don't show," Curry said, according to the Detroit Free Press. "It's a pretty hefty fine to be late, or to miss, and once again, it's accountability for yourself and your teammates."

Rodney Stuckey, who scored 13 points and added a career-high 11 assists for his first career double-double Wednesday in a 110-96 victory over New York, will start in Iverson's place Friday against the Milwaukee Bucks in Auburn Hills, Mich.

Curry said he hadn't decided whether Iverson would play.

Iverson, who was traded from the Denver Nuggets nearly a month ago, is averaging 18.5 points and 5.4 assists in 10 games with the Pistons this season.

He talked Saturday about the importance of finding chemistry with a new team through practice.

"I've been through it before," Iverson said. "I think the toughest part of it has been our schedule. We've been on the road a lot. That was tough. For me, it's just getting a chance to settle in.

"The most important thing is getting more practice time." :eyes:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3730471

[BOSSHOG]

1. Gosh cboy lets get the union involved

Maybe Iverson can hire barry bonds as an agent. Gosh lets get selective on where our moral compass takes us.

[cboy4]

2. I don't understand your sarcasm. Iverson is a notorious

problem player.

He gets a break to go play for one of the best franchises of this decade, and he misses practice?

At least Barry showed up.

[BOSSHOG]

3. Not sarcasm cboy

I haven't like Iverson since long before he started playing in the NBA. You don't want the likes of Iverson playing in pro sports, but the likes of Bonds, A-OK!???

"At least Barry Showed UP!" Should be in the running for his tombstone.

[cboy4]

6. No BOSS, I never said I don't want Iverson playing

in the NBA.

I said I don't understand why teams would want to sign him since he leads his teammates nowhere.

But well done once again fitting Barry Bonds into one of my threads that has nothing to do with him.

[BOSSHOG]

11. How could he play if teams didn't sign him??

If NBA owners understood you, then Iverson wouldn't be playing. Right?

and speaking of not playing, I guess no baseball owners wanted barry this past season and goooollllllyyyyy what a great season it was. Without him.

A thread that has nothing to do with him? The thread was about a player(s) that is bad for the sport, according to you. Iverson pales when compared to barry! At being bad for the sport.

Please keep posting Cboy, between you and crossword puzzles my early stage dementia may go into remission.

[joeybee12]

12. well then, let's get your blood pressure up...isn't your moral compass

permantly fixed (or is it fixated) or all things Patriot?

[BOSSHOG]

15. How bout right and wrong Joey

and knowing the difference. Patriots, Seahawks, Eagles, Vikings. It doesn't matter to me who does wrong, that's where my fixation will be. I see no honor in apologizing for people who do wrong and cheering them on and making their lives comfortable. The Pats coach did wrong, got a chump change fine then laughed at everyone involved with the NFL including the fans. I guess those in Pat Nation don't care if they are laughed at or taken advantage of.

I forgot to add - In Patriot Nation apparently winning is everything. Do you all cheat on tests as well?

[Forkboy]

18. It must be a weekend.

We could set our clocks to your self-righteous booze induced rants. I set mine a few minutes ahead because I cheat though.


"You don't get it, kid" in 3-2-1....

[Forkboy]

19. He has no moral compass. He sailed to close to magnetic North in the Navy and it scrambled it.

This is a clown who whines about right and wrong to no end, then calls for others to cheat, lie and do all they can to beat the Patriots. He can't even see his own flaming hypocrisy. Must suck being senile.

[BOSSHOG]

22. Good Morning Forkboy

Bright eyed and bushy tailed 0913 Sunday AM after a great night of sleep. Does it suck not concerning oneself with right and wrong? billichick is a cheater, the Patriots won because he is a cheater, you whine and pout a little bit for show, but bottom line you and the vast majority of Patriot Nation don't care about right and wrong. No editorializing, just the facts. FYI, I still chat about right and wrong relative to OJ Simpson and his 1995 trial. Type real slow and splain that hypocrisy thing will ya, or is it just a northeast reactionary defensive mechanism. When all else fails and I can't convince someone to understand me I'll scream hypocrisy.

[Forkboy]

31. Get a new schtick.

On second thought, don't. This one is comedy gold. :rofl:

[cboy4]

23. No BOSS. That's like me saying, I don't understand why

any zoo would want to have a skunk on exhibit, and you jumping to the conclusion that I don't want skunks on exhibit.

You're presenting a false argument since teams will and are signing him.

I'm simply asking, why would any team that is on a quest to win an NBA title want him, since he is a complete post season failure.

By the way, did you know the Giants only drew 2,863,837 at home this year? They usually draw more than 3-million. Why was attendance down? No Barry.

Also, did you know the Giants only averaged 32,269 on the road this past season? That was way down over last season. Why? No Barry.

But back to Iverson, who you accuse me of wanting to boycott...

[madinmaryland]

17. OTOH, Iverson, at least looking at him, hasn't been on roids, either!

His head size looks fairly unchanged over the last 10 years!

[cboy4]

24. Know what else that hasn't changed over the last 10 years?

Not a single NBA Champions ring.

Not one.

[JonLP24]

44. How many players don't have fucking rings?

If Iverson gets blamed for not winning a championship then so should the likes of great players who never won such as Marino. It's a team sport and not one player deserves blame, without him those teams probaly wouldn't of made the playoffs. Leading the team in scoring and no one can deny his toughness. He won an Eastern Conference Championship which by any standard is a great accomplishment.

[cboy4]

57. You're not actually comparing Iverson to Dan Marino are

you?

:rofl:

Trumad, help me out.

[madinmaryland]

47. Know what else that hasn't changed over the last 20 years?

Barry Bonds never won a ring either.

[cboy4]

56. Gee, I never saw that one coming

The Giants loss in the '02 series was not his fault.

Check Barry's stats.

[trumad]

4. Too fucking rich....

Dude, you're the gift that keeps on giving....

[cboy4]

5. Yea, okay trumad. Tell me why you're such a big

Iverson fan.

This should be good.

[trumad]

13. I guess the irony escapes you....

again---the gift that keeps on giving...

[cboy4]

14. And take three guesses what escapes you trumad ...

usually on a regular basis.

You're like the neighborhood Special Olympics "champion" who repeats the same thing over and over again with a gleam in his eye .. but a look of confusion on every other person's face.

None of it makes any sense like usual, but everyone just smiles and gives you a cookie.

Congratulations on your gift.

[trumad]

16. and giving, and giving, and giving....

[Forkboy]

20. Might want to back out of this one while you're only a few points behind.

[cboy4]

25. Was I talking to Forkboy or our special needs poster?

[Forkboy]

33. It's a message board. I'll post where I please.

[cboy4]

34. Okay, well if that's the case, it's a little ironic you'd be

encouraging someone else not to post on a message board.

And I wasn't behind.

[Forkboy]

35. No, I encouraged you to not post in one thread because you're looking foolish.

I was trying to help. :P

[cboy4]

37. You sound like the police investigator.....tell me the truth

and everything will be fine. I'm just trying to help you.

Suuuuuuure. :eyes:



:P

[Forkboy]

39. Yeah, the "trying to help you part" was tongue planted firmly in cheek.

I'd ask the Admins for a better smilie to signify a tongue in cheek comment, but I'm afraid it would just look like someone giving head.

[trumad]

26. Barry B. could beat him with an irony stick and he still wouldn't get it.

Oh lookie, a clue.

[cboy4]

27. You're allowing your hatred of Barry Bonds to yourself

look like a retard trumad.

There is no comparison between Iverson and Bonds.

Plenty of teams apparently are interested in signing Iverson, while no teams are interested in signing Bonds.

Not to mention Iverson is considerably younger than Bonds.

Now, remind again, who is the dumb one?

[trumad]

28. Jesus Christ dude.... You just can't stop can you?

Look---I admit I'm a class A retard, but on my worst retarded day, I couldn't match your hilarity.

You talk on one hand about the morals of Allen Iverson, and you write with the other that no team will sign Bonds.

And then you tell me there's no comparison between the two?

Well at least you got one thing right.

[cboy4]

30. It's apples and oranges trumad. That's my point. If we were

talking about two 46 year old athletes past their prime, that would be one thing.

But we're not.

There's just no comparison at this point between Bonds and Iverson.

And, Bonds has never been the discipline case Iverson has.

That's why I'm worked up. It's a retarded comparison.

So if you intent was simply pushing my buttons, well done.

[JonLP24]

46. He missed practice on Thanksgiving

He such a terrible, terrible man for wanting to spend time with his family.

[cboy4]

51. Yea, what was I thinking? I mean Iverson is way more

important than all of those firefighters who showed up for work on Thanksgiving and spent the day away from their families. :sarcasm:

He's an asshole with a capital "A"

[GOPisEvil]

7. Practice? We talkin' 'bout practice. Not a game, not a game. Practice.

Sorry, I just had to go there.

[cboy4]

8. It's work GOPisEvil....it's going to the office like all of your

other co-workers and earning your money.

If practice wasn't such an important thing, you wouldn't hear coaches and managers making such a big deal about it. Now would you?

The bottom line is Iverson likes to do whatever the fuck Iverson likes to do.

No wonder his teams will always be doomed.

[GOPisEvil]

9. I was referring to this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frsId3goYYE

[JonLP24]

49. Did you go to work on Thanksgiving?

I cut Iverson a BIG FAT FREE PASS for missing practice on Thanksgiving. Anyways he made no excuses, said it was a personal matter, and apologized. That is the respectful thing to do. This is just fuel for the Iverson bashers, nothing more.

[cboy4]

52. Yea actually I did go to work on Thanksgiving and I showed

up for my evening shift because I'm not more important than my colleagues.

We all knew we would work holidays signing up for our careers, and so you just do it.

And I will continue to bash Iverson until he switches from a me player to a team player and helps his team do something in the playoffs.

Kobe, Duncan, Parker, Garnett, Shaq.

What do all those players have in common Jon?

Yea, rings.

You tell me how a player who scores 30+ a game can't help his team succeed.

And why did he get traded so quickly out of Denver?

He is a loser.

His losing records speak for themselves.

[cboy4]

10. Ah sorry dude.....I totally forgot about that clip.

I just hope he never wins a ring.

In fact, I'm going to practice repeating that right now.

He's such the antithesis of hard-workers like Kobe and Duncan and Parker .. all of whom have nice shiny rings as rewards.

[spoony]

21. Yep, it was a huge "gee no one saw that coming" moment

I know people say that Dumars just wanted to free up some money and will get rid of "The Answer (is no)" at season end, but it can't come soon enough for me. The guy's a tool, and not a handy one. To me he's a PINO and doesn't fit in with the attitude that the Pistons management says they're about.

[BlooInBloo]

29. Silliness.

[paulk]

32. as a Nuggets fan

I thought the acquisiton of Iverson was a mistake and trading him for Billups was the smartest move they've made in a long time.

Iverson is a great scorer and a lot of fun to watch - but he doesn't bring to a team that intangible that seperates great players from winners.

Billups does, and the Pistons are going to regret trading him away...

[hughee99]

36. He is the King of "I". n/t

[madinmaryland]

48. Well, it is true that there is no "I" in team, but there is a "ME"!

[TZ]

38. and this thread....

Is why I love the Sports forum...comedy gold!
I have to hand it to Cboy, he's pretty much right when he says that this forum is much more interesting when he's around....:rofl: :popcorn:

[cboy4]

40. It's so true. This place is a disaster without me.

:)

[Forkboy]

41. Great. Now his head will be as big as Barry Bonds'.

:hide:

[TZ]

42. Well...I just love popping inflated egos....

So thats fine with me!:rofl:
BTW, great line....:evilgrin:

[cboy4]

53. LOL. Actually the sports forum would be a very lonely

place without you Forkboy.

And as much as I fight with trumad, I'd be sad if he ever left.

Awww :grouphug:

[JonLP24]

43. I would

I guess win the Eastern Conference Championship doesn't account for anything? He scores baskets and gets a good amount of assists per game. Wow he misses a practice of all things and there is going to be athlete bashing. :eyes:

[BlooInBloo]

50. The head explosions from the ranks of the last-picked are always funny.

[cboy4]

54. And you know what? If I were to round up a bunch of

people I'd want on my insult squad, you'd be the little boy with his boxers on backwards hiding behind the tall kids, waiting to hear the bad news. Yet again.

Ha Bloo?

[BlooInBloo]

58. Um.... yah.... sure....

[JonLP24]

45. Does anyone know what Thursday is? THANKSGIVING!!!

On November 27,2008, Allen Iverson apparently chose family and food over practice - and he'll be fined for it. Iverson was the only player who didn't show up when the Detroit Pistons worked out on Thanksgiving. Coach Michael Curry confirmed Iverson will be fined, will not start Friday night against the Milwaukee Bucks and might not play in the game for missing the practice.After Detroit traded for the superstar, Iverson insisted he would do whatever Curry wanted him to and even mocked his famous rant about practice while playing for the Philadelphia 76ers. The Pistons are 5-5 since acquiring Iverson from Denver for Chauncey Billups, Antonio McDyess and Cheikh Samb. McDyess and the Nuggets reached a buyout agreement and the power forward's agent said he will re-sign next month in Detroit. Pistons guard Allen Iverson has apologized for missing a team practice on Thursday, but didn't reveal why he was absent.

"First of all, I have no excuses. I apologize to my teammates, first and foremost, the coaching staff, the organization and definitely our fans," Iverson said Friday morning. "It's something that shouldn't have happened and it won't happen again.

"It was a personal matter, but I just handled it the wrong way," Iverson continued. "I didn't call and let them know what was going on."

Detroit coach Michael Curry has already stated that Iverson will not be in the starting lineup against Milwaukee on Friday night.


http://buzz.yahoo.com/article/1:y_sports:667c040bfcdabcbd0971fd3189068a67

He missed practice on Thanksgiving, WOW BIG DEAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[cboy4]

55. "The Pistons are 5-5 since aquiring Iverson."

:spray:

That sounds about right.

And it's only the beginning of December.

[cboy4]

59. Iverson, 38 minutes, 13 points at Washington. Final Score:

Wizards, who came into the game 3-14, win: 107-94 :eyes:

Detroit tumbles to 11-9, 7 games behind Cleveland.

Detroit would barely make the playoffs right now as the #7 team in the East.

Wow. That's tremendous.

Not.

[a kennedy]

60. sounds like IV and TO are cut from the same cloth eh??

adult males with the EQ, emotional quotient of first graders...... :eyes:

[cboy4]

61. Let's take a look at things at the All-Star break

DETROIT, usually a dominant power in the East, has fallen to a humiliating 27-24 and is an embarrassing #7 seed.

And DENVER, Iverson's former team, 36-17 1st place and an impressive tie for #2 seed.

I again ask, who would take this guy?

Something is up.

[BulletproofLandshark]

62. This doesn't happen much, but I think I have to agree with you somewhat.

Iverson has rarely been a player that can take his team to the next level. But IMO the Nuggets' and Pistons' changing fortunes have more do with the presence of Chauncey Billups than anything else.

[cboy4]

68. Yea, you make my point. Swap talented players and

look what happens.

Only one has an impact, and it's not Iverson.

So I think it's a combination of Billips arriving in Denver and Iverson leaving Denver to explain part of the Nuggets' success.

[spoony]

63. Bringing him on destroyed my enthusiasm for the Pistons

I doubt I've watched five games this season. :(

[underpants]

64. bull, Iverson throws it all out there every minute of every game

he doesn't practice because his 5'10" frame can't handle it
that is not an excuse-at game time Iverson play flat out with complete diregard for his body and always has.

[cboy4]

65. Did you read my OP?

I'm not accusing Iverson of not trying.

My point is, for reasons that are unclear to me, it's obvious that he is not a team player, which is why all of his teams struggle and eventually get rid of him.

That is a fact that cannot be disputed.

[spoony]

66. Then that explains his lack of success

You can give all the effort you want in a game, but if you haven't given it in practice you're going nowhere. That wouldn't be so bad except that it also drags down your team when you don't work to become a unit with them.

And his attitude--summed up so perfectly in that quote of his in a post above--somewhat belies your theory, and suggests laziness rather than inability as the source of his lack of preparation.

[underpants]

67. It's not about practice

he gets everything he can out of his body and talent.
sometimes it isn't enough

[cboy4]

69. I'm not surprised you ignored my question .. I would too if I

didn't have an answer.


And of course, it's about practice. That's when you learn to play as a team

And of course he's absolutely not getting everything out of his "talent."

That's ridiculous. His talent is instrumental in team failure .. especially during the playoffs.

[MrSlayer]

70. I'm not much of a BB guy but I loved watching A.I. in Philly.

He really did leave it all on the floor and was a warrior with tremendous heart. However, being on a team is more than just killing yourself in the games. It's raising the play of those around you, it's doing play reps in practice until your unit just instinctively reacts, it's watching film and taking instruction from your coaches. A.I. was a great player here but he wasn't a champion. Michael Jordan is considered by many to be the best player ever, if anyone could afford to skip practice it was him but he never did. He was always the first guy on the court and the last guy off of it. And he went at game speed in practice. Always teaching, always learning, always pushing himself and his team. The same goes with any great player in any sport with rare exceptions (Lawrence Taylor comes to mind). A.I. will be in the Hall of Fame, he might be the best little guy to ever play the game, but he'll never be considered a great team guy and I don't think he'll ever get a ring. He would have been even greater and probably a champion if he pushed himself and was a leader in the time that a team spends out of the spotlight.

[cboy4]

71. Good analysis.

I felt bad for the way he reportedly treated Larry Brown in Philly.

What a mess that was .. our first real up close look at the chaos surrounding a hell of a basketball talent.