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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-08 06:39 PM
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Will Charlie Weis be in South Bend after next week?
Probably, cuz he's got a house there...but will he be spending a lot of time there, more than he has in the past? I hear conflicting reports. My two cents is that he's a lousy coach, he just doesn't have it, can't inspire a team that is better than its record.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-08 07:38 PM
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1. Belichick was only as good as those around him.
Edited on Fri Nov-28-08 07:39 PM by Forkboy
Or so I heard many times right after Mangini, Crenell and Weiss left. Wonder what happened to that theory, because they've all sucked major quantities of ass since taking their own jobs. Mangini is finally getting something done with the Jets, but half a season doesn't a great coaching career make. And Crenell and Weiss just look like they're in over their heads.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-08 08:24 PM
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2. I really think Weis hasn't figured out that he's basically dealing with
kids who need to be focused and motivated, and it has to come from the coach. He knows football, but he doesn't know this.
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Jack from Charlotte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 05:35 PM
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14. It's amazing to me that people think NFL football and college football
are anything alike in terms of coaching.

Over and over NFL owners keeping hiring college guys and with very few exceptions.... they fail. Spurrier, Saban, and Bud Wilkenson all failed in the NFL. Also, NFL guys usually fail at college coaching.

These two different sports have a better chance if they'd hire a coach from another sport like, say basketball.

I recently heard the ex-NFL coach who is now at Tex A & M say,..."it sure is hard coaching college guys with the 20 hour max practice rule that's in place for colleges."

Friggin' idiot didn't know that when he took the job? Moreover, the idiots that hired the guy didn't ask him if he knew about this when interviewed?
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Capt. America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-28-08 09:54 PM
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3. Let me begin by saying I am not an ND fan by any stretch:
As an objective observer, Charlie Weis is a disaster. He is a blowahrd who said that he will always have a "strategic advantage" in football games because he is better with the xs and os than anyone else. PLEASE.

Also, the longer this goes on the harder it will be to recruit talent in the future. Also, since ND doesn't play anybody of note except USC, nobody will want to go there. ND is living on the ghosts of past glory. ND has not won a bowl game since 1993.
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mduffy31 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-08 01:51 AM
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5. So Michigan isn't of note?
I know not this year, none of the SEC teams will play them because they are too busy playing St. Mary's house of the blind on their non-conference schedule.
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Capt. America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-08 12:06 PM
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7. Well, certainly in years past, and they usually play Sparty. But how many service acadmies...
...Duke and NC can you play and still be considered a viable candidate? I know this will never happen due to the NBC contract, but they might as well join the Big East or the Big Ten. After all, they play three Big Ten teams a year (Purdue, Sparty, Blew) already.
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 05:50 PM
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16. The SEC
conference schedule justifies any patsies which might be on their list of teams to play. Would you really want Michigan to have a home and home against any team in the SEC? How bout Ole Miss?? Please tell me about the horrible weather up north and how the SEC is afraid to play on the frozen tundra.
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Jack from Charlotte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 11:56 AM
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23. The Big Ten schedule ends the week before Thanksgiving....
there's no weather issues even in Minn on Nov. 20th or earlier.
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mduffy31 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-08 01:48 AM
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4. I would say this
if he doesn't get fired, he absolutely gets ONE more year, if he can't put it together with "his" players as Juniors, he is gone. The other thing is this, is there anyone who really wants the job. If the do fire him, it can't be like the last time where people kept turning the job down. They have to have a guy in mind that wants the job. I can see him in Cleveland reunited with Brady Quinn as OC if he is fired.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-08 08:05 AM
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6. You're right, I don't think anyone wants to job because I think the University
itself doesn't care about football anymore...there's no emphasis on it. Some wealthy alumnus need to raise holy hell and clean the entire athletic department.
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erpowers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-08 02:02 PM
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8. No Justifiable Reason To Keep Weis
Edited on Sat Nov-29-08 02:06 PM by erpowers
I contend there is no justifiable reason to keep Charlie Weis as the coach of Notre Dame, except for the hugh contract they will have to pay him if they let him go. Since Weis has been the coach of the team and he has been coaching his own recruits the team has lost to a number of team it has never lost to before or had not lost to in decades or years. People can no longer make the excuse that he has to be given a chance to coach his own players. He won when he did not have his own players, then lost when he did not have his own, and still lost when he had his own players. It is possible that the team will get better, but so far he seems to have under performed with his own players. It is possible that this year Notre Dame only beat one team with a winning record. Weis should be let go before the start of next year.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-08 11:34 PM
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9. After tonight, it's clear he's incapable of coaching...
...suck it up and don't be stupid enough to offer a 10-year deal to a new coach during his first year.
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Capt. America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-29-08 11:48 PM
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10. Testify! I thought ND were morons for giving Weis 10 years halfway through the 1st season.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 12:35 AM
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11. He's won less than Ty did, so obviously...
Edited on Sun Nov-30-08 01:02 AM by BlooInBloo
Yes, of course he'll be around.

EDIT: And it's not racism, no matter WHAT. I know this because white people tell me so.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-30-08 07:24 PM
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12. Weis will be back next year...
...after all I've read today, that's my prediction. Too bad. It'll just be one more miserable year. Maybe it will give them time to try and lure Urban Meyer, that damn ND grad who said no last time.
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Jack from Charlotte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 05:27 PM
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13. Meyer is not a Notre Dame grad.....
He's a grad of Cincinnati with a Masters from Ohio State.

He was an assistant coach under Bob Davie at Notre Dame back in the late 90's.
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 05:47 PM
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15. Maybe Notre Dame can do something really cool & trendsetting
Like hire a high school coach!!!
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PRETZEL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 11:18 AM
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20. They tried that once before,
wasn't what's his name Mueller or something like that a high school coach?

Or am I thinking of Michigan?
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 11:25 AM
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21. I forgot
my sarcasm emoticon. ND hired a high school coach from a powerhouse program out of Ohio, back in the late 70's or early 80's. Don't recall his name.
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Jack from Charlotte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 11:51 AM
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22. Gerry Faust, from Cincy Moeller... coached Notre from '81-'85...
went 30-26-1. He was given a 5 year contract and when everyone knew Faust was in over his head... Notre took the high road... according to them... (they constantly tell us about their high-roadism) and said... "He has a 5 year contract and we don't fire coaches."

Note to world... Notre no longer takes that particular high road.... they now fire coaches regardless as to their contract.

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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 08:57 PM
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24. I'm confusing him with what's-his-name, who coaches Tampa Bay...
...he turned them down, too. Urban was named after a pope, hopefully not Urban II, who started the Crusades.
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Capt. America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 08:36 AM
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19. Meyer would not leave UF for ND. It would be a downgrade at this point.
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DAMANgoldberg Donating Member (377 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 08:32 PM
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17. No
He will go back to the Patriots, and so will Romeo C.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-02-08 08:35 PM
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18. Apparently having a worse record than Ty isn't enough to get some people fired....
Good to know.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-03-08 08:58 PM
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25. I think it's more no one else wants the job this time...
...if they had someone lined up, Charlie would be gone...I think they'll be putting out feelers next season, particularly if they lose early.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-04-08 02:14 AM
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26. That's a creative one.
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