"It belongs to Barry"

[Upton]

That is Hank Aaron's response to Bud Selig's ridiculous suggestion of possibly returning the HR record to him.

No matter what the haters may say....Aaron knows the record know belongs to Barry Bonds. You tell 'em Hank.


"In all fairness to everybody, I just don't see how you really can do a thing like that and just say somebody isn't the record holder anymore, and let's go back to the way that it was," Aaron told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution on Friday.

Commissioner Bud Selig has indicated that he's given some thought to returning the record to Aaron if it is proved Bonds used steroids.

"If you did that, you'd have to go back and change all kinds of records, and the (home run) record was very important to me," Aaron said. "It's probably the most hallowed record out there, as far as I'm concerned, but it's now in the hands of somebody else. It belongs to Barry.



http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2009/02/14/sports/s100202S35.DTL&feed=rss.sports

[MrSlayer]

1. You can't erase the record.

But everyone knows he didn't get it legitimately. As far as I'm concerned Aaron is the Home Run King and Maris still holds the single season record.

[madinmaryland]

2. Aaron is right, cboy. There will always be a stain upon that record.

[Upton]

4. Aaron said Bonds holds the record

that's all there is to it....if it's good enough for the former record holder, it should be good enough for everybody else.

[madinmaryland]

5. Bonds DOES hold the record, cboy.

Maris has an asterisk, and so will Bonds. At least Maris was not a cheater.

[Upton]

6. Face it

baseball can put an asterisk by Bonds HR record all they want...in a generation or so it will be removed and looked upon as foolish and discriminatory.

[madinmaryland]

7. There you go again, cboy, pulling the race card.

And Maris still has an asterisk after his name after 47 years.

"will be removed and looked upon as foolish and discriminatory" Goddam, cboy, you really are the gift that keeps on giving.

Sheesh!

[Upton]

8. The myth of the Maris asterisk

interesting reading...check it out

http://dir.salon.com/story/news/sports/col/barra/2001/10/03/asterisk/]

[madinmaryland]

10. WTF, cboy! Links to porn is not cool!

:grr:

[Upton]

12. You don't like being proven wrong do you?

I would think you'd be used to it by now....You'll be proven wrong about Bonds too, as will all the haters.

[cboy4]

19. I'm not surprised you think facts are porn.

:eyes:

[ProfessorGAC]

32. You Do Realize Henry Aaron Is Black, Right?

What a stupid concept you're promoting.
GAC

[Divine Discontent]

16. I'm confused

are you cboy4, b/c he keeps calling you cboy? is that a phrase for something else, perhaps?

[cboy4]

21. Actually, madinmaryland, who should really be called

"SADinmaryland", because he's so sad that everyone is always handing him his ass on a platter arguing sports, calls upton by my name because he can't imagine there are two living people who agree Barry Bonds has received a disproportionate amount of scorn in the baseball world.

Therefore he calls upton my sockpuppet.

But upton and I ignore so very sadinmaryland.

I'm only explaining it to you because you asked and I know you.

:)

[Divine Discontent]

31. much appreciated. xo EOM

[madinmaryland]

50. Try reading some of cboynupton's posts.

When you have "two" posters that post nearly word-for-word posts, it really makes you wonder. Try it, and you will come to the conclusion a lot of others here in this forum have.

[BlooInBloo]

3. I don't understand what everybody is bitching about with this...

Everybody used roids back then therefore the playing field was NOT uneven therefore Bonds' record is good.

Sure he was juiced - but so were the pitchers. No net gain.

[Oeditpus Rex]

28. Link?

[cboy4]

9. What a very classy thing to say Mr. Aaron....of course, the

notoriously unclassy Bonds haters in the sports forum will scream and wish to place duct tape over your mouth to keep you from speaking the truth.

[Upton]

13. Yeah, despite what others would have us believe

Aaron likes and respects Bonds....

[flvegan]

11. I don't see why Aaron would say anything different.

Bonds does hold the record. That's just a fact. A-Rod may pass that, if he stays employed and healthy. At which point, Aaron would be #3.

[nickgutierrez]

14. And Barry would, quite appropriately, be #2. n/t

[cboy4]

24. That's ridiculous!!

!!

[nickgutierrez]

25. What? He would be second on the list.

That makes him #2.

Or did you think that was a poop joke? Which, come to think of it, suits Mr. Bonds nicely.

[cboy4]

29. Sterod admitted to using performance enhancing drugs and

therefore can't overtake Bonds.

You keep forgetting Barry says he never knowingly took such drugs.

[Divine Discontent]

30. I have to agree. that is a valid argument. eom

[nickgutierrez]

33. I don't even know where to begin with that kind of hypocrisy.

First - Barry has positive steroid tests going back http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3112982">as far as 2000. Whether he thought he was taking flaxseed oil or whatever non-steroid thing he was taking is not nearly the unquestionable fact you constantly assert it to be, but a question for a jury to decide since it's the crux of his perjury case.

Second - for you to rip Alex Rodriguez for testing positive for steroids, and defend Barry Bonds for testing positive for steroids, is absurd beyond belief.

Third - you need to make sure you're criticizing who you think you're criticizing. I've never advocated for anybody to be removed from any record book for steroid use.

[cboy4]

35. When did Barry test positive for steroids?

If you think I'm going to accept a government indictment as truth, you are batshit crazy.

[nickgutierrez]

36. Are you seriously arguing that Barry never took steroids?

I don't care what he thought he was taking. Do you honestly want to argue that Barry Bonds never took steroids?

Jeez, man. Barry could stab a two-year-old with a rusty steak knife, and you would claim he did it in self-defense.

[TZ]

37. But notice that those same sources that cboy/upton don't believe

with re:Barry Bonds were TOTALLY believed when it came to A-Rod. BOTH posters jumped all over that when it came out. Hmm. The hypocrisy is strong with those two.

[Upton]

49. Big difference

A-Fraud has admitted to lying and using steroids....Bonds has claimed all along that he didn't knowingly use. Everyone can have their suspicions but until something is proved, Barry deserves the benefit of the doubt.

[nickgutierrez]

51. At the end of the day, though...

...they both used steroids. Right?

[Upton]

52. Not necessarily

Bonds is just saying that IF he did use, it was unknowingly.

[cboy4]

38. I shoot down your evidence, and you throw your hands up

in the air with a wild example about Barry stabbing a two year old.

This is what I'm talking about when I say Bonds is treated like a killer or a rapist.

[nickgutierrez]

39. You didn't shoot anything down.

You also didn't answer my question, which is interesting.

Honestly, you have every bit the black and white mentality of the most mindless fundamentalist.

[cboy4]

40. Of course I shot it down. You told me Bonds HAS tested

positive for steroids dating back to 2000.

And your proof is a government indictment. <insert price is right loser horn>

You have nothing but your government indictment which means you have zero.

The guy hasn't even been tried, yet you say, because of an unproven indictment, that he's tested positive.

Honestly, you have every bit the black and white honesty of the most mindless right wing conservative.

[nickgutierrez]

41. He did, in 2000.

That's not an allegation, that's evidence used to support an allegation. If he wants to make the case that he didn't take the steroids knowingly, that's one thing. But even he isn't saying he never took them, that's another.

[cboy4]

42. Barry Bonds has always said he has never knowlingly

taken steroids.

[nickgutierrez]

43. Ok.

If I'm not mistaken, that's the question before the jury in his perjury trial. Right?

[cboy4]

44. Correct.

And being indicted or accused doesn't mean he's guilty. Right?

[nickgutierrez]

45. Right. n/t

[TZ]

46. Funny though.

I don't remember you coming out and saying..well we better wait and see about A-Rod.After all the evidence comes from the same questionable source. Nope..as soon as it came out. You said look he's a liar! And he did steroids!
Stop being such a hypocrite. There is as much evidence that A-Rod took steroids as Barry Bonds did. Yet you didn't bother even trying to wait on A-Rod's confession before judging him. AND you refuse to admit that Bonds HAS admitted to taking steroids.
Sorry but your hypocrisy about Barry Bonds is pretty nauseating. For anybody else you NEVER bother with the innocent until proven guilty. With Bonds, I will bet even if he's found guilty and admits it you will just scream CONSPIRACY!

[cboy4]

47. You would be a bad lawyer. You would tell a jury sure my client

(A-Rod) admitted he's guilty and even apologized (all of which is true) .. but wait, don't rush to judgement.

What kind of sense does that make?

And I never said A-Rod is a liar. I said he has admitted to using.

Once again, I'm misquoted in the sports forum.

[Upton]

48. I've seen Bonds compared to OJ

on several occasions here in the sports forum. If that's not over the top I don't know what is.

[BOSSHOG]

34. If you are a lying twit they must acquit

OJ Simpson never knowingly slaughtered his wife and her squeeze. And barry bonds never knowingly (or unknowingly) did anything good for major league baseball. What else has bonds never knowingly done? Made you post like a fool?

[Divine Discontent]

15. sorry... but any of those who used roids shamed the game & it is quite insignificant in the sports

world. Football has taken over as the main interest of all my buds who used to pay full attention to baseball. Also, I don't pay 1/4 the attention to baseball I used to, because they cheated in a very egregious manner and have stained it indefinitely.

Hank shows why the title is really his, by being so noble, and just say the meaningless title is Barry's.

[flvegan]

17. Riiight, cuz there's no steroid use in American football.

:eyes:

[Divine Discontent]

18. they enjoy the animalistic bone-crushing mentality of football.

as does America, apparently. Baseball has long been hallowed as a purists sport, no?

[flvegan]

20. Purists sport?

I don't think so.

[Divine Discontent]

22. you don't, okay. but there's plenty who do. googling baseball purists sport nets 127,000 links eom

[flvegan]

26. And Googling baseball fans nets me almost 36 million hits.

[cboy4]

23. wrong spot

!!

[MrPerson]

27. That's right, Gomez.