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Auggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 11:10 AM
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Judge rules key Bonds evidence inadmissible
San Francisco Chronicle, 2-20-2009:

A federal judge has thrown out much of the "mountain of evidence" that prosecutors say they accumulated to prove that former Giants star Barry Bonds lied when he denied knowingly using steroids.

Eleven days before the start of Bonds' trial on perjury charges, Judge Susan Illston ruled late Thursday that the jury may not be told about three positive steroid tests, doping calendars and other documents that the government says show Bonds' longtime use of performance-enhancing drugs. The evidence amounts to inadmissible hearsay, the judge wrote in a ruling, unless the man who allegedly kept the calendars and arranged the private steroid tests - Bonds' trainer Greg Anderson - agrees to testify about the documents.

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Despite the adverse ruling, the government still has some evidence that Bonds used steroids to present to a jury.

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In filings last week, prosecutors said former Giants catcher Bobby Estalella, former Bonds business manager Steve Hoskins and former girlfriend Kim Bell all would testify that Bonds had admitted his steroid use to them. Hoskins' sister Kathy, who was Bonds' personal assistant, will tell the jury that she saw Anderson injecting Bonds, the government said.

LINK: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/02/20/MN8M161I4R.DTL
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Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 11:14 AM
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1. This was pretty much expected
nice to see it made official...I suggest all the Bonds haters get ready for the possibility of Barry walking.
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Redbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 11:41 AM
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2. But how do you keep this skunk out of the jury box?
Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, please ignore the fact that you all know that the Defendant used steroids and had tested positive for steroids multiple times before he told the grand jury that he had never knowingly used steroids and only base your decision upon the evidence presented in court as to whether or not he lied to the grand jury about never knowingly taking steroids.
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 12:51 PM
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3. Honestly---I could care less about this trial....
I don't want to see the guy in jail---never have.

And my beef really isn't with Barry---although he's a Lying piece of shit.

Nope---it's with knuckleheads like you who continue to deny that Barry shot roids to help him break baseball records.

Ya see---- I find guys like you and Cboy---even though I honestly think you're the same fucking dudes--- total fucking morons because of your denials that King Barry was a major juicer.

Again---I really don't hate Bonds--- I hate you for your fucking ignorance.
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 03:36 PM
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4. I don't blame you for being mad.....you just lost a major
trial.

You lost a trial you were desperately counting on to prove your sorry and tired accusations.

I told you this was going to happen, and I don't believe for a second you're not furious about this.

I told you.

Never-the-less, here's a bankie trumad.

Gee, where does that sound familiar?

I wonder how many times people have told me that?

Just so you know, even though I'm not very familiar with the situation, the losing side, whether it's the defense or the prosecution is traditionally more classy.

I don't believe for a second you "could care less about his trial."

And if you do, you sure have an odd way of showing it.

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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 03:54 PM
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7. Deep down unside, they've been ready for that for a loooooong
time because they know the prosecutors don't have shiite.

Well, of course unless one considers the testimony of Barry's personal shopper (pause for laughter) as the slam dunk.

And then Greg Anderson's wife backed out of testifying. :rofl:

The government team should be thrown in prison for puting together a hearsay case and causing Barry and myself so much trouble.

Shame on them.

Even you've said from the start that their casee is bulshit, with a capital "B"

Listen to how quiet it is now!
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 03:38 PM
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5. They still have evidence.
Suuuuure they do. That would be Barry's personal shopper. :rofl:

What a joke.
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 03:44 PM
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6. It'll be interesting to see who apologizes to me.
I've said all along the evidence that the brilliant judge denied, was hearsay and a bunch of bullshit.

But nobody listened.

And now I'm going to hear nothing but excuse after excuse from the sports forum that, you know, it really doesn't matter if Bonds is convicted.

The bottom line is the attorney general, the prosecutors, and everyone else who has their paw prints on this case, and who's is by default guilty of wasting so much taxpayer money on nothing,, should be ashamed of themselves, should eventually apologize and should go to prison.
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Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 05:32 PM
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13. I look at it this way cboy
the Bonds haters need a guilty verdict in this trial to affirm as true all the claims they have made concerning Bonds' steroid use....he walks and they're left with nothing concrete on which to base their scurrilous charges.
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 04:12 PM
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8. he's still a lying, cheating piece of shit no matter what the court decides.
If he gets aquitted I'm sure he can look for the person who really inadvertantly gave him the steroids out on the golf course somewhere.
Hey if OJ can walk even with tons of evidence against him, so can cheaters.
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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 04:19 PM
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9. Predictable response from a Barry Bonds hater.
If the trial went your way, then oh boy, you'd be saying, SEE!!!!

Now you're blowing it off as unimportant.

Just tell your long-time Dallas Cowboys fan I told him all of the so-called evidence he teased me about woud be thrown in the trash bin.

And rightly so.

Shame on the government team. :puke:
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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 04:50 PM
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10. "long-time Dallas Cowboys fan"
Thank you, cboy!!

:hi:

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Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 05:17 PM
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11. There it is again
another sports forum member comparing Bonds to OJ...not only is that ridiculous, but it demonstrates the level of hate you and some of the others have towards Bonds.

How can you look at Barry's trial or potential steroid use even half way objectively when you feel this strongly about him?
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hughee99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-20-09 05:25 PM
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12. Why is it ridiculous? OJ was found not guilty.
Edited on Fri Feb-20-09 05:47 PM by hughee99
He didn't do it. The court said so.

And isn't the question about potential steroid use WITH his knowledge? I don't think even Bonds is contending he didn't use steroids, he's just saying that he didn't know he was taking steroids.
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 09:22 AM
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14. Again---as you see above....
It's the same two dumb asses, or one--- who use a perjury trial as their bases to say that Bond's didn't juice.

I'll say it again---it ain't Barry that I can't stand---- It's ignorant fuckers like the two---or one, up above.
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Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 10:45 AM
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15. If Barry is found not guilty
of the perjury charge that means the jury believes Bonds told the truth before the grand jury when he said he never knowingly took steroids.

If that happens, what are you and all the Bonds haters left with to support your allegations?

BTW for someone who claims "it ain't Barry that I can't stand" you sure couldn't prove it by some of your past statements.
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 11:07 AM
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16. Again---you prove my point---you're a dumass with a strawman argument
Those who believe that Bonds juiced like a wild man--- and there's about 99 percent who think he did, will still think that er---he juiced like a wild man.

The one percenters---those I call, Dumb Motherfuckers, -- have latched on to this case and are using it as a bellwether to claim--- see---he didn't use Steroids---or---see--- it was just the "Clear" and he didn't know.

So---you're dumbass Straw man is asking the 99 percenters to join your "Dumb Motherfucker" cult if he's acquitted for "Lying" to a grand jury.

Apologize for what? For not being a "Dumb Motherfucker"! You and your alter-ego can shove your straw man apology up your ass.
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Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 11:26 AM
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17. So...in other words
you don't care what the jury decides. You've already made up your mind due to a combination of suspicion, rumor and innuendo...how irresponsible. Thankfully, this country's judicial system doesn't follow the dictates of those that think like yourself.

History will judge the Bonds haters harshly.
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 11:55 AM
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18. I made up my mind before the dude hit 73.
Edited on Sat Feb-21-09 11:59 AM by trumad
And so did a huge majority of baseball fans.

Suspicion, rumor and innuendo? Now wait a minute--- when I asked you if you think he took steroids, you answered--"I think the numbers speak for themselves...you don't generally suddenly hit 73 HRS after never hitting more than 50 your entire career without a little help".

Would consider your answer "suspicion"?

Although the "little help" wording is typical of the "Dumb Motherfucker" cult. The cult believes Barry when he says he had some "Cream" rubbed on him causing his head and foot size to grow another couple of inches. That is so laughable that those who believe it, instantly join the "Dumb Motherfucker" cult.

The cult believes Barry when he says he had no idea what he was taking even though his body was going through astronomical metabolic changes---

The cult believes everything Barry says about Steroid use... Everything----- don't you find that fucking weird?

Dude--- you're so far into backing this dude, that you can't get out. You're so invested in this cheater that you have to make up Straw Man arguments like this court case to think that you'll win the day and that the "Dumb Motherfucker" cult will prevail.

I think the only reason that I keep debating you two knuckleheads on this is because I find your cult fascinating. My only hope is if Barry loses the case, your cult will duplicate Jonestown.


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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 02:01 PM
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19. "your cult will duplicate Jonestown."
Hope springs eternal. :)
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-21-09 07:06 PM
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20. Has anyone made a joke about putting Bonds' shrivelled balls in the HOF next to the
ball he used to break Hank's record?
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