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Sabriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 09:54 PM
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In my kids' classrooms, it's All Christmas, All the Time
Here's what they've been up to the last two weeks:

--Christmas Advent paper chain to take home
--"Secret Friend" presents (which everyone except the teacher refers to as "Secret Santa")
--"Polar Express" party tomorrow
--Christmas vocabulary word search
--Various and sundry Christmas-themed worksheets
--Reading "A Christmas Carol"

And this is in two different classrooms with at least (that I know of) six total students who observe a holiday other than Christmas.

I'd love to hear from teachers how they deal with parents who point out that it's not appropriate to focus so heavily on one religious observance.

And to you teachers out there who don't engage in it, THANK YOU.

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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 10:00 PM
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1. We can't do all this where I teach
No more trees. No Christmas crap on the walls. No religious Christmas music.

But I teach a winter holiday unit every December. This is our culture, whether you like it or not. Kids should learn the history of Christmas. You don't have to be a Christian to want to learn about Christmas.
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tonysam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 10:03 PM
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2. Holidays are important, and kids need to be taught about them
In a private school where I taught, we couldn't celebrate Christmas at all because the school was independent. It was extremely frustrating, but that was the way it was.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 11:35 PM
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6. It's a Big Deal around the world, whether you believe in super heroes that live in the sky or not.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 10:34 PM
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3. What are the holidays of those 6 kids?
And hasn't anybody thought to include their observations during the season?

My grandson's pre-school doesn't do any programs so I've missed seeing little 3-4 year olds singing and reciting and doing what they do. I think it's a missed opportunity all the way around. I don't get the hatred of celebration or why teachers would object to a few weeks of ready made lesson planning that centers around treating each other well.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 12:03 AM
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7. does your local school sing muslim songs? put on buddhist programs? hmmm nt
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 01:42 AM
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8. The public school? Yes
They make a point of being inclusive and exposing the kids to the fact that there's an entire world out there.

My grandson is in pre-school which isn't public here. They don't do anything at all. He made a snowman and a snowflake and a cloved orange ornament and that was it for anything related to the holidays. I'd have rather had them singing Muslim and Buddhist and Jewish songs than to do nothing at all.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 11:34 PM
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4. Over 80% of the country celebrates Christmas in some way....nt
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 11:34 PM
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5. In my daughters' Catholic school, in 4th grade,
they were EACH asked to tell her class about Chanukah (as we're a 'mixed' family.) 2 daughters, 3 years apart.
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Sabriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 11:22 AM
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9. I think you're misunderstanding my concern
I don't object to including Christmas in the classroom. I object to including ONLY Christmas in the classroom. The obvious message it sends, similar to including only heterosexual perspectives, is that there's one "right" thing...everything is else is either inconsequential or "wrong."

Students need to see themselves reflected in schools, whether they're Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Sikh, atheist, etc.

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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-23-09 09:44 PM
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11. Maybe it has something to do with the fact that its your kids experience, not yours.
Lighten up. Most kids just enjoy the fun of it. Don't be such a downer. They're only little kids and teachers respect that.
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alp227 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 06:43 PM
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10. Quit being so PC and realize that America's a Christian na...
Edited on Tue Dec-22-09 06:44 PM by alp227
naw, just playin'. :rofl:

Seriously, I wonder when Fox News will ever cover a story like this among all its phony "persecuted Christians" stories, when really (I think if I'm not mistaken) this is the situation much more often. Plus, the Christians in question use victimization as a code word to push evangelism.

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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-26-09 03:04 PM
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12. I've taught in 2 states, 2 districts, and the expectations
were hugely different in both.

In my current district, we don't "do" holidays, although there may be some primary art projects. I know that the 3rd graders at my K-8 school make "gingerbread" houses from graham crackers.

We don't dress in costume at Halloween, or have "parties." Primary classes may include stories, crafts, or music to go with cultural celebrations.

In my previous district, our contract required us to have one class "party" each year, but if we did not have a party for halloween, xmas, valentine's day, and easter, parents would rise up in outrage and descend on the office, determined to force the party. The administration organized a school-wide costume parade on halloween, everyone was expected to put on a christmas program of some kind, and admins put the pressure on grinchy teachers like myself who did not want to engage in activities that excluded some students, who would either stay home or have to be sent somewhere else because their families' faiths didn't allow participation.

So, in that district, I did a fall/harvest festival the last week of October, which included square dancing, making scare crows, and all kinds of reading, writing, and math activities involving pumpkins, cranberries, etc.. Some of us negotiated the costume parade with the principal and it became a "storybook character" parade, with everyone participating dressing as a character in a book, and bringing the book to the parade. For several years, I had an indoor garden, and we "harvested" our indoor crops to make soup and salad for that festival.

In December, I had a great musical play that I, and a few colleagues, put on every 3 or 4 years; it involved Santa, a manger, Kwanza, Hanukkah, and Las Posadas. It took a great deal of time and work, though, so we didn't do it every year. It stayed fresher that way, too. Other years, we would make stuff to help decorate a local float for the local holiday parade, and practice secular winter holiday music. We'd sing and march in the local parade behind the float.

For Valentine's Day, I always did a poetry-writing unit, and a unit on mathematical symmetry. They were allowed to give Valentines that they handmade in class. No cardboard cutouts or candy. That still pissed off enough people that I was always overwhelmed with the amount of emotional energy and attachment people give to basic commercial marketing systems.

For spring, the week before spring break, we'd learn about pysanky, reading "Rechenka's Eggs." It's a great art project.

I'm glad that I now teach someplace that, using common sense, expects local cultural celebrations to happen outside school hours. We can acknowledge the seasons without being taken over by them.
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femmocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-29-09 01:39 PM
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13. I'm surprised at some of the responses!
From the first day back from Thanksgiving until Dec. 23rd, our students were bombarded with Christmas activities.

It started with PTO's Santa's Secret Shop which had cheesy dollar merchandise that the kids bought for $2.00 and up. The PTO took over my classroom for this garbage while I had to roll all of my lessons and materials around on a rickety cart.

That lasted for an entire week. There were also endless Christmas coloring pages (no creativity involved) hanging in the halls, hours of rehearsals for a Christmas pageant, and Christmas music played over the PA in the mornings. The week before Christmas was taken up with assorted concerts by the high school music groups (those were actually worthwhile). The only giving-back activity that I witnessed was one group of kids who went to a nursing home to sing carols and distribute cookies.

Dec. 23rd was all parties, movies, visits from Santa, gift-exchanges, etc. We also have non-Christian and Jehovah Witness children in our district. I can imagine how excluded they must have felt. Sorry, but I disagree with those who think that devoting an entire month of the school year to a religious/commercial holiday is acceptable.

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Sabriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-30-09 06:20 PM
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14. Yeah, thanks
I was kind of surprised at the "STFU and enjoy the Xmas promotion" responses, too.

I guess as long as you're Christian, you don't have to worry about anyone else being excluded. How nice.
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