It's times like this when I really despise most of DU

[LeftCoast]

Shouldn't a progressive board be supportive of gays and lesbians?

Why the fuck do I still come here?

[terrya]

1. I hear you, friend.

When people blantantly say that GLBT equality isn't much of a priority to them, on a progressive message board, it's a slap in the face.

I'm just glad you STILL do come here. I delight in seeing you around here.

[LeftCoast]

10. Thanks buddy.

That really helps to hear right now.

Needless to say, I feel the same about you. Thanks for being here.

[jonnyblitz]

2. i hear ya

i deleted what i originally posted. i already got in trouble today

[Seen the light]

4. I saw it

And psst...I agree with you 100%. :D

[jonnyblitz]

13. lol, which time? i was told I had 9 posts removed in my mod

warning. I am so angry i am not a good judge of when i have crossed the line as per DU standards. :hi:

[Maven]

3. Oh but they *are* supportive. They just want us to shut up.

:puke:

[LeftCoast]

12. Well, they did leave us this lovely place under the bus.

I suppose I should be grateful.

[LostinVA]

5. About an hour ago, I said to Haruka: "Why the hell do I even come to this place anymore."

[LeftCoast]

14. Honestly, if it were for this subform I would have been gone long ago

The only saving grace here, imo.

[valerief]

6. You mean the disruptive lurking freepers? They couldn't possibly be

progressive if they're not supportive.

Don't worry. Most of us just ignore disruptors like that.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

7. i think its the board equivalent of the party, why do we vote for them?

lack of a good alternative.

[LeftCoast]

16. Yep...it's either the party that wants us dead, or the party that wants us to shut the fuck up.

What a choice.

[AlCzervik]

8. I'm sorry, i'm not gay but i am truly disgusted and disappointed by what i've seen over the past few

years here regarding glbt issues and how dismissive many posters can be when it comes to your rights and lack there of. If the posters who are straight had their rights threatened you can bet they'd be crying foul 24/7.

[jonnyblitz]

17. I am actually more angry at the DU Obama supporters than I

am at Obama, and I am plenty angry at Obama.

[AlCzervik]

24. i've noticed today that a couple of the "fan girls" haven't been around much.

i've been away from here for about 3 weeks because of a ton of pain in the ass things that have happened in rl and to be honest coming back is looking like a mistake. As for the fan girls and boys i think they will understand that putting someone up on a very high pedestal is going to make the eventual fall much harder.

[jonnyblitz]

38. some act like we still have an election to win. nt

[LeftCoast]

22. I do wonder what would have happened if their marriage had been taken away

Sad to see so little empathy from supposed progressives.

[AlCzervik]

26. picture the gungeon posters having their guns taken away, that's what i could see happening.

[LeftCoast]

34. I can just imagine the shrieks of horror and outrage

:)

[Maven]

9. Oh, notice also that my subthread was deleted but the POS thread was allowed to stay up.

Guess I shouldn't have to the OP to fuck himself. Woopsie! :)

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

11. Where is it?

All my variations of fucking is still up.

[Maven]

33. Woops - here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=8001444&mesg_id=8001444

The "we need to prioritize" thread.

[LeftCoast]

25. LOL - I don't blame ya

:)

[yardwork]

41. That was my initial reaction when I read the OP. Instead I alerted.

That OP directly violates Skinner's rule about GLBTQ discussions.

[QC]

15. This is not a progressive board anymore. Hell, it's not even a politics board anymore.

It's now some kind of fansite/shrine/cult compound.

I hate what the Kool-Aid Brigade has done to this place.

[jonnyblitz]

19. no doubt about that. they want nothing but photo slideshows and

"name that puppy" threads. it's fucking creepy and BORING.

[QC]

20. Shall I post the shirtless beach pictures now and make them all melt

into a big puddle on the floor?

[LeftCoast]

31. It's a mean Kool-Aid Brigade too

People are just nasty around here.

[QC]

40. Yeah, all that hope makes some people hateful. n/t

[gcomeau]

18. Here's a thought.

They are. Many just don't think you're ("you" the people making the Warren argument... not "you" every gay on the planet since they are NOT all making the Warren argument) are right about this one situation. It is, believe it or not, possible to support a group and still think members of it get some things wrong now and then you know.

[Midlodemocrat]

21. If you are not gay, you have NO FUCKING IDEA how this community feels.

So back the fuck off.

[gcomeau]

28. Did I say I did?

I wasn't aware I had to fuly understand a person's emotional state in order to evaluate the rationality of a statement. Would you care to explain to me exactly how it is necessary for me to have a full and complete understanding of the emotions of the gay community before the statement I made (which if you will pay extra close attention made no attempt to analyze the emotions of the gay community) would be considered valid?

I presented a very simple and straightforward observation. Disagreement with some people, over a single isolated incident, cannot be equated with a total lack of support for those people in general. Saying that because there are people here who do not see the same problem with the Warren invocation as you do means they don't support gays at all is, frankly, a bloody ridiculous thing to say. If he had posted "all people who eat hot dogs like watching the clowns at the circus" or "2+2 is banana" I would have been equally capable of finding fault with his statement without ever once needed to accurately psychoanalyze his emotional state.

[terrya]

23. And here's a thought.

Maybe it can be perceived as patronizing when heteros lecture us about how we're supposed to react on GLBT issues.

[Midlodemocrat]

29. Exactly.

[AlCzervik]

30. Here's a thought, someone who compares homosexuals to rapists and child molesters

have no business even being invited to the inauguration much less having any part of the ceremony.

[LeftCoast]

32. I'm not seeing a whole lot of support around here from a lot of people

And I wish I could say this was the first time...sadly it's par for the course around here.

[gcomeau]

37. Fair enough.

But there is a significant difference between "I'm not seeing a lot of support for my position on Warren giving the invocation".... and "People here aren't supportive of gays and lesbians". Don't you think?

Speaking for myself:

I support gay marriage. Completely. No qualifiers, no reservations, no special conditions. I see zero justification for disallowing it. Period.

However... at the very same time:

I do not see Warren being invited to give the Invocation as Obama making some kind of attack on the gay communuity... not when he specifically, explicitly, and very publicly stated that he does not agree with Warren's gay rights positions and is reaching out to him for poverty and HIV/AIDS efforts where they share common ground. That statement eliminates any way to rationally claim that Warren's place at the inauguration is an endorsement or legitimization of his anti-gay rights agenda. You can't say the guy who just flat out said "no he's wrong about this" is sending the message "oh he's got a legitimate point about this". You just can't. It doesn't work.

So if you are arguing that the Warren invite is some kind of blatant assault on the gay community... then no, on THAT particular question I do not support you. We are in a state of disagreement on that one.

Does that then mean I am not supportive of gays and lesbians.. full stop end of sentence? Many here seem to be jumping enthusiastically to that declaration.

[LeftCoast]

39. If Warren were bigoted against any other group he wouldn't be there

Why is it ok for our new President, one who campaigned on Change(TM), to invite him?

This is an absolute slap in the face to many of us.

[gcomeau]

42. You know this how?

How do you definitively make the statement that nobody who was bigoted against ANY other group would have been considered? Let's keep in ming you're speaking about the man who delivered a certain speech in Philadelphia this year you may remember... in which it was pointed out his own Grandmother had racist tendencies for cripes sake. This is not a man who sees moral failings in one aspect of a person's worldview as automatically disqualifing them from having redeeming qualities. Surely that is one thing we should be able to perceive here?

(And before answering, just for a little context... you're speaking to an atheist. Discrimination against us isn't as virulent and ugly, but it's stil considered almost universally acceptable and even borderline desirable in politics. Want to bet whether we have an openly gay or openly atheist president first? ;))

[hlthe2b]

27. Posts like this are understandable but so damned divisive...

The GLBT community on DU has much reason to be angry and frustrated, but I fear the fact that there are so many supporters on this board gets lost. These kind of subject lines that cast such a wide, disparaging net (and there have been several the past few days) just serve to alienate in my honest, but very sincere opinion...

I understand the need to express your frustration, but I do hope you will think of the impact on those who are 100% behind you. I hope you won't flame away, but do so if you must.

[LeftCoast]

35. At this point LGBT supporters are being drowned out by a group of raving morons

Same morons each time...still tolerated here, year after year.

[hlthe2b]

36. It hurts all of us...

and drives the more rational newcomers (and some "old-timers") away, unfortunately....