On-Campus Christian group sues ASU - wants to ban gays and non-christians

[Quetzal]

Christian group sues ASU

PHOENIX - A Christian legal group said in a lawsuit filed yesterday against Arizona State University officials that it should be allowed to discriminate on the basis of religious and sexual orientation.
The university chapter of the Christian Legal Society said it wants to be recognized as an official campus organization but without having to comply with the university's ban on discrimination on the basis of religion or sexual orientation.

The lawsuit filed in U.S. District Court said a university administrator on Oct. 15 denied the group a waiver it requested Sept. 29.

The chapter's lawsuit said it allows anybody to attend its meetings but that it should be allowed to ban non-Christians and practicing lesbians and gays from its membership and officer positions.

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Christian group sues ASU

[Dem Agog]

1. Bizarro World

How do you convert if you don't let 'em in? Isn't Christianity all about converting and trying to get everyone over to the dark side?

[physioex]

3. So hear's to hoping they win......

:evilgrin:

[sangh0]

18. They're not looking to convert

They're looking to set a legal precedent.

[TwentyFive]

2. Does the on-campus gay group ban christians? I doubt it!

[pagerbear]

14. "the" on-campus gay group?

As if there is only one? Just like there is one gay community, one gay lifestyle, etc.?

[displacedtexan]

4. So are these clowns boycotting the Science Dept. classes?

I didn't think so.

Kinda hard to get a degree without taking some Science courses.

Too stupid on so many levels that I don't even know where to begin: They don't want infidels near them, but they want to enjoy all of the privileges of attending a state university?

Probably couldn't afford Bob Jones.

[ingasm]

5. Enough of this Bull

I'm so sick of Christians acting like it is God's word to look down upon gays. They follow the bible, a book written by a group of disciples and those close to Jesus and God, that has been translated about fifteen times, and say God hates gay people. Somehow, I find it hard to believe that God loves all except the gays, for they are sinners. First of all, they are un-American if they want to exclude people and limit their rights as citizens of this once great country. And secondly, what happened to church and state? The constitution says what it says - freedom of religion. If my religious leaders says gays are bad people, which they do (im catholic - but I do not agree in the least), then thats up to them. However, no religion has the right to impose any bans or exclusion on a certain group of people because they are different.

[Technowitch]

11. Wanna know something really neat?

The Bible says nothing about lesbianism being bad.

NOT. ONE. WORD.

:)

[kitkatrose]

20. Well, what do you expect?

It was written by a bunch of men who probably hadn't gotten laid since the coming of the Christ. :evilgrin: I'm going to hell aren't I?

[LuminousX]

6. Do they have a problem with Gays and Lesbians

flocking to their little hate filled meetings?

If the group is getting money from the general student fund, then all students must be allowed to participate. I recall at my Methodist college there was a Catholic club that had many Methodists in it. That is the weirdness that is college.

[nadinbrzezinski]

7. Ah we have arrived

next will be Jews and blacks and Mexicans

After that we will FIRE the Faculty, Gays, liberals, trade unionist, and Jews and Niggers (sorry for language here)

After that we will have reeducation camps and finally the ovens will run

Haven't we all seen this movie before?

Too bad many idiots voted for this, they will join ME in that camp...

[asjr]

8. The hatred of these people just keeps getting

louder and louder. The fact that this is a group in a university just boggles my mind. It is an institution of higher learning. I suggest they transfer to Liberty University. They will be RIGHT at home.

[atreides1]

9. I'll Bet

That before any of this happens, some of these fanatics will get their wish to go and be with God.

If it's all the same to you, I think that I will not go quiet into the night, I think that some of us will leave this plane of reality,
with a few of our Xtian fanatic friends.

[ronnykmarshall]

17. But of course they will say ....

I didn't vote for THIS!!!


Bullshit, they voted for Bush and the GOP, they voted for THIS!

[Behind the Aegis]

10. This is just....BULLSHIT!

And people keep wondering why gays want to flee this country?! The anti-gay bigots aren't even trying to pretend anymore! I am so sick of shit like this.

[northernsoul]

12. well, they can waste all the money on legal fees they want

The fact is that if they are receiving any state money, they don't get to discriminate (on the basis of religion at least)

[northernsoul]

13. by the way, what's the name of the case?

I'd love to see what kind of horseshit arguments they're trying to string together in their legal briefs

[tjwmason]

23. Exactly

At my uni the Christian Union wanted to restrict membership to Christians (by which they meant those who could sign their declaration of faith, which b.t.w. excluded 1,000,000,000 Catholic Christians world-wide); however they accepted the consequences of this they didn't affiliate to the Student Association (which requied open membership), and never used university property.

If these guys want to set up a little clique by themselves excluding people that's their choice, but they can't expect others to finance their attempts to do so. So too, if a L.G.B.T. Society wanted to have a closed membership policy, they should be excluded from university facilities.

[pagerbear]

15. I wonder if they've seen this?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=105&topic_id=2037912&mesg_id=2037912

[GrrrlRomeo]

16. What about gay Christians?

They do exist. No really...they do!

[sangh0]

19. The important part of that groups name is "Legal"

They are trying to set a legal precedent. The schools rule against discriminating against people on the basis of the sexual orientation is not part of the Federal regulations governing federal aid to the school. They are going to argue that the schools policy discriminates against their religion practices and traditions, as well as their right to freely associate because it will force them to associate with people (ie gays) who, by their behavior, make it clear that they do not agree with the groups organizing principle, Christianity.

There is a problem arguing this though, because Federal regulations make it clear that a group can deny a student the use of the schools property and resources, which is what happens when you ban some people from being members. They are getting around this by saying that gays can participate and use the same property and resources, but they can't be official members or officers, and so they won't have any say in the administration of the group.

The important thing to note IMO, is that this is not directly about their own desire to avoid homosexuals. It's to set the legal precedent that prohibiting discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation is itself discriminatory against their religious beliefs.

[ibegurpard]

21. Lots of Mormons in Arizona

Someone should begin a whisper campaign among them about the fact that fundamentalist Christians think they're cultists.

[Langley85]

22. "Christians"

What a loving bunch of Christians. I just love how these so-called people of faith pay strict attention to the passages that justify their own prejudices but ignore all that stuff about love for your fellow man.