Posted without comment.

[racaulk]

[dipsydoodle]

1. When I looked at those pictures

I became acutely aware of the sound of silence. Thank you for posting them.

[LostinVA]

7. Me too -- for real

[The Doctor.]

31. ...

I only recognized barely one-tenth of those people. I've been going through a lot lately, but that endless scrolling just caught my heart in my throat. I looked at every picture. Every one. And somewhere in the back of my mind I just kept hearing 'No...', and 'Why?'.


I have buried so much rage for so long. How much more can we stand?

[tavalon]

35. Why is this is in any way okay still?

Why was it ever?

[tblue]

172. When people saw this on their TV, they were horrified:

If people could see what comes of their hatred and intolerance and brutality, if they could look at these photos on this post and hear their stories, I bet overwhelmingly people would agree this bullshit is fucking not okay.

[sundog]

2. thank you

[xchrom]

3. recommend -- without comment. nt

[Fearless]

64. As do I.

[bicentennial_baby]

4. ...

:cry:

[ronnykmarshall]

5. This is why we won't just ...

"get over it".

[tavalon]

36. Nore should you and embarassingly enough,

because of Prop 8 and Warren, things are speeding up nicely and while I hope this is all bloodless, the revolution is upon us and your straight brethren is here to fight by your side and kiss your wounds gently. I will be a medic at a number of the coming "discussions" and I will treat gay and non gay with equal care and equal love. Not equal respect because it's hard to feel equal respect with people who would take your rights away.

Blessed Be my Gay friends as this heats up and it is heating up very fast. Be quick on your feet and have love in your heart for your opposition has already lost, they just don't know it. If you can't love them, at least pity them, for their lives are changing in ways they really don't want and cannot stop.

[Malidictus Maximus]

118. " I will be a medic at a number of the coming "discussions"

I'll provide the weapons and covering fire :-)
Almost tempted to say "the only good homophobe is one with a gaping exit wound" but that might offend some people. I can think it, though.

[Rhythm]

194. First of all, thank you... Secondly, i LOVE yous sigline...

I am one of those people that is described in the afterword of the latest hardcover editions... the ones who have bought a dozen copies in their lives, because they keep 'loaning' them to other people, and they never seem to get returned. *L*

[yardwork]

6. .

[marylanddem]

8. beyond words.

[dbackjon]

9. Thank you

I recognized some. Would like to know names, stories.

[Lucky Luciano]

43. on a PC, right click and click properties

and look for the file name - has a name often.

[wolfgangmo]

56. On a MAC control click

, or if you have a mighty mouse, then right click.

[grantcart]

155. I have started a list on reply 154

[pinto]

10. ...

Sometimes a picture is worth a thousand words.

Thanks for the post.

[Bluebear]

11. .

[Hissyspit]

12. .

[enigmatic]

13. .

[Mike 03]

14. Haunting, sad and evocative. All I could think of as I was viewed this thread

were the faces of people who have made a difference in my life who belong there, and so many of the faces in these pictures resemble all three of them. I feel there's more to say, but I'm rather speechless at the moment. It's hard to translate these emotions into words.

Very moving.

[Jamastiene]

15. .

[lightningandsnow]

16. Wow.

[cboy4]

17. ...

[KitchenWitch]

18. ...

:cry:

[Nay]

105. Really.

Double that. :cry: :cry:

[Hepburn]

19. .

K&R

[rawtribe]

20. .

[SacredCow]

21. Wow, Racaulk....

That took some doing.

Thanks!

[Zuiderelle]

22. ...

thanks.

:grouphug:

[Duncan Grant]

23. .

[Starry Messenger]

24. .

incredibly moving.

[bluedawg12]

25. ...

[1awake]

26. ..

[JohnnyLib2]

27. ...

[Mollis]

28. K&R

So sad.

[laconicsax]

29. K&R

[lostnotforgotten]

30. Man's Inhumanity To Man Haunts Me - DU's Inhumanity Haunts Me Even More

eom

[The Doctor.]

32. Real nice.

Yeah... DUers are out there killing people for being different.

If you're lucky, your post and mine will be deleted.

[Name removed]

60. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[The Doctor.]

80. Wow.

Using such a somber and devastating thread to piss on your own community is acceptable to you, and you call me an ass?

I'm not the one with the problem.

[bettyellen]

94. you're the one stinking up the joint, but you can continue to play ignorant about it

that's about all you do well, feign ignorance. and shit on things.
to sum up your contributions, they are on par with a three year old, just not nearly as cute.
if you can;t stand teh angray gays- why do you follow them around so?

[The Doctor.]

109. "30. Man's Inhumanity To Man Haunts Me - DU's Inhumanity Haunts Me Even More"

-That's what stunk up the thread.

Then, for the crime of pointing out that using this somber moment to shit on DU, with what is an entirely outrageous claim, people with their priorities on backwards blame me?

Sorry sister, but if telling someone that using this opportunity to shit on others is wrong bothers you, then you have other issues.

I'm just sad that so many of you will put up with the hatred of posters like that one and then go around screaming 'stop hating!' at anyone with the gall to suggest civility.

I've been nothing but civil. That poster was hateful in a somber thread. You're taking out your misplaced rage on the wrong person.

[xchrom]

68. piss off. nt

[The Doctor.]

81. I saw this on TGP and found it to be devastating...

and I noticed that someone decided to use the occasion to 'piss' on their own community.

So no... I will not 'piss off'.

Maybe if you grow a conscience or some perspective you'll keep the knee-jerk lashing out in check.

[xchrom]

82. it is utterly ridiculous for you to tell anyone to grow

a conscience with the hatefulness of your replies here.

like i said -- piss off.

[The Doctor.]

87. I responded to a hateful post.

And was met with hate.

Keep basking in it and see what good it does you.

Taking advantage of such a tragic thread to spread hatred to the DU community is wrong. How dare you or anyone tell me that I haven't the right to react to such hatred.

All you have done is prove that you are full of mindless hatred by defending those that post hatred in your name.

I have nothing but love for all of my brothers and sisters, but I will not stand down when they stray into hatred. My pointing that out cannot be construed as 'hate'.

[xchrom]

88. you are really in need of therapy. nt

[The Doctor.]

91. Perhaps, but I'm right nonetheless.

The post I responded to was an opportunistic attack on the DU community as a whole when it should have been, as all the other respectful posters, including myself, a somber recognition of the tragedy and loss we saw in the OP.

Yet here you are, looking for any excuse to express rage at someone who had the audacity to point out that this was not the thread to attack other members in.

I suggested sanctity to someone who posted their hatred in the wrong place, and was attacked for it.

I'm amazed that you don't find it ironic that you tell me that I should not dare stand up to hatred while you claim to attack me for the same.

I'm not the one with the problem.

[bettyellen]

95. aren't you sick of telling people what they should be posting? what's ironic is that if you

pissed off.. if people like you stopped making stupid assumtions and stopped telling other people what level of anger was appropriate they would not be pissed off at you too.
but you knew that. you;re just poking people with sticks and then lamenting when you;re called on it.
what bullshit,

[The Doctor.]

110. When people make sweeping accusations, suggesting that DU is more inhuman

than the assholes who murdered and beat up people for being gay, then I'm going to tell them they're wrong... because they are.

Let's just ask this; why do you give post #30 a pass? You obviously think that DU is full of people that will murder others for being gay... right?

I've never told anyone 'what level of anger is appropriate'. All I've asked is that, in your outrage, you don't attack your friends and allies... and for that 'crime' I've been called many unfair names that I certainly do not deserve.

If you wish to unfairly assault friends and allies, don't expect them to just sit there and take it. I wouldn't expect you to accept an unfair attack, why should I?

[bettyellen]

141. you're full of shit because you have never called out the extreme hyperbole coming from the warren

apologists- but you chase aroung teh gays accusing them of overreacting in thread after thread after thread.
my reaction to you is NOT just due to this one post.. it;s because you keep telling people their feeling are wrong over and over again.
that's why you keep being told to piss off.

[The Doctor.]

153. It's just amazing how you have to make things up in order to support your rage.

When I see 'extreme hyperbole', I'll certainly 'call it out'. If you can give me some examples that fit the description, I most certainly will.

Meanwhile, I've never told people their 'feelings' are wrong. That is you making things up to support your need to attack me. Calling DU 'more inhuman than murderers' is not a 'feeling'... it's a claim that is wrong. Other claims that are dead wrong are that everyone who is more worried about the economy or their home than they are about gay marriage must be a homophobe. That makes zero logical sense, and it is unfair to the friends and allies of the GLBT community that are told they cannot have different priorities.

Every single time this comes up, a handful of rage-junkies like yourself do the same thing again and again. You create strawmen, statements that I never made, wrongfully assign them to me, attack me for them, and then claim that I am playing a 'game' of some kind.

Dead. Wrong.

Any thinking, rational person can see that my only crime in this thread was telling someone that their characterization of DU as 'more inhuman than murderers' was wrong.

After that, I was quite wrongfully attacked... and I simply refused to let the attackers get away with it.

Just like I'm not letting you get away with it.

Now, I've asked this question, and it's no mystery why you refuse to answer because it would prove your attacks baseless;

"Do you really believe DU is 'more inhuman' than those who murdered people for being gay?"

That is an appeal to your rationality. It is your decision to flail and hurl epithets or stop and think.

[Zuiderelle]

156. Thank you bettyellen for standing up for us.

:hug:

Dr_eldritch has indeed been posting his divisive and condescending attacks in thread after thread. Posting in this one is beyond the pale. While we honor those who have suffered the most extreme of hatred towards us he dares to object to someone saying that "DU's Inhumanity Haunts" him. Well, it haunts me too. It doesn't mean that I or that poster think that there are DUers that would commit the crimes committed on the people being remembered in this thread, but it is perfectly appropriate to point out that hatred exists here as well. Maybe not on the same level, but it is here.

People like you save this place.

[The Doctor.]

161. How wrong can you possibly be?

I've never 'attacked' anyone that did not attack me.

That's a fact.

Your habit of making up strawmen to attack me is revealed by the fact that you have no instance you can point to where I 'attacked' anyone.

Your crusade against me must require a great deal of fabrication. I never deserved your vile treatment.

[xchrom]

98. no and that's why the therapy is needed --

your arrogance -- your presumption that there has been no on going and outrageous homophobia and anti-gay bigotry coming from the DU community marks you as a homophobe and anti-gay bigot.

now piss off and get therapy.

[The Doctor.]

112. It's really fascinating that you don't realize how warped your perception is.

I never said there is 'no' bigotry. What I've said is that it's not nearly as ubiquitous as all the outrage junkies make it out to be.

You need to be angry with someone... fine, go ahead. You'll continue to pretend I've said and done things I have not in order to justify it.

But you are truly twisted if you think I'm a 'bigot'... especially for merely asking the chronically outraged not to attack their friends and allies out of hand.

There are more than a few gay DUers who know very well that I'm far from being any kind of a 'bigot' because they are rational.


I'm not the one going ballistic on someone for the crime of asking for civility in a somber thread.

Therefore I'm obviously not the one who needs therapy over this issue.

Go back to post #30, and tell me if you agree with the poster that DU is as inhuman as those who've murdered gay people.

If you disagree with that post, then we are in agreement, the only difference is that I refused to let the attack go unchallenged.

[xchrom]

122. you to get the fuck over your notion that you know fuckin better.

cause you don't.

you need help -- spend less time here and more at the the therapists -- seriously.

[The Doctor.]

130. I do know better. What I know is that only rage-junkies can convince themselves

they need to attack someone for speaking out against hatred in a solemn thread.

That's all I did. Then I asked you a question you plainly cannot answer; "Go back to post #30, and tell me if you agree with the poster that DU is as inhuman as those who've murdered gay people."

You know very well that you either have to side with someone that is plainly wrong, or admit that the insinuation is way off base. Should that happen, your only conclusion would be that my response to his post was appropriate.

Unfortunately for you, that would lead to the truth; that you have been attacking me out of blind anger, and with no justification.

No, you will not answer the question. Instead you will continue to screech abject nonsense that my call for civility and my stand against a hateful post is somehow 'hateful' itself.

I can think of few things more irrational than that, but hatred is not rational. I, on the other hand, am rational... which is why I've posted only opposition to the hate in this thread.

There is simply nothing you can point to to the contrary.

[bettyellen]

140. you are stalking people - telling them their feelings are invalid- and are SHOCKED you get

this response? you are addicted to stirring up shit, and imposing your judegemnt on everybody , that much is obvious.

[The Doctor.]

147. I've stalked no one.

You're really off the deep end here.

The suggestion that DU is as inhuman as a bunch of MURDERERS is not a 'feeling', it's abject nonsense.

That's the crux of all this... you refuse to comment on how wrong that statement was because that would mean that I did nothing wrong. You can't have that because then you'd have to face the fact that your attacks are utterly unjustified.

I'll keep this up as long as you want, but the truth is quite plain.

So I'll ask again, and watch you continue to avoid the question because you know that it proves your outrage blind, misplaced, and unfounded;

"Go back to post #30, and tell me if you agree with the poster that DU is as inhuman as those who've murdered gay people."

You've trapped yourself with your own blind rage. The only way out is to choose to be rational and accept that not only did I do nothing wrong, but I was quite right to take exception to the hatefulness of that post.

Again, I give you the choice; Rationality or blind rage. So far, you've only proven capable of the latter.

[Two Americas]

196. that is a distortion and a misrepresentation

The poster did not say "that DU is as inhuman as those who've murdered gay people."

They said that the inhumanity here is more bothersome for them. That could well be because here the poster expects to find friends and allies.

[jobycom]

146. I suppose you understand the irony of your last comment, which in essence

says exactly what the post you objected to and described as hate says. :shrug:

[The Doctor.]

151. Well, let's take a look then... shall we?

"I have nothing but love for all of my brothers and sisters, but I will not stand down when they stray into hatred. My pointing that out cannot be construed as 'hate'."

So, what you're saying is that my pointing out that it is hateful to compare DU to inhuman murderers is just as hateful as comparing DU to inhuman murderers?

Wow. That's an extreme lack of, well... reason.


That's like saying that it's just as bad to tell someone that beating their wife is wrong as beating their wife is.

You've just stated that it's hateful to point out or discourage hatred. Well then, that means that everyone here who has pointed out how hateful Warren is is just as hateful as he is... right? :shrug:

It seems that the first casualties of hatred are logic and reason.


Next time you take exception to someone's actual hatred, I'll be sure to point out just how hateful you are being for doing so. :crazy:

[LeftyMom]

74. Vulture.

:grr:

[The Doctor.]

84. You know nothing of me. That much is obvious.

You love your misplaced rage more than reason. Otherwise, you'd have taken exception to the one who violated the sanctity of this VERY crushing OP with their need to piss on DU instead of me.

So many of you have so much rage, you will use any excuse to lash out. But gawd forbid you might reign in anyone that pisses all over those that care.

Your ignorance is duly noted.

[LeftyMom]

89. Fuck off.

I responded to exactly who I meant to respond to.

[The Doctor.]

92. No, I will not.

I responded to a hateful and divisive post in an otherwise somber thread. You took exception to my response, rather than to the offensive post I was responding to.

It appears that you will accept hatred when it suits you.

I accept no hatred at all. That is why telling me, hatefully, to 'fuck off' without just reason will serve no purpose.

If you would like resolution, try asking rational questions.

[bettyellen]

96. that goes double for me. what patronising bullshit....

[The Doctor.]

114. When you behave hatefully, and give hatred a pass, any rational appeal will seem 'patronising'.

What I am is rational, not patronizing.

I'll ask again; "Do you really believe DU is full of people that are 'more inhuman' than those who murdered people for being gay?"

That is an appeal to your rationality. It is your decision to flail and hurl epithets or stop and think.

[bettyellen]

139. you can see how grateful everyone is to have you and your ilk letting them know how

they should react/ feel/ behave.
gosh, why can't we all be more like you?

[The Doctor.]

150. I'm not telling anyone 'how' to react/feel/behave any more than you are.

What I'm doing is pointing out that it's absolute nonsense to claim DU is as inhuman as murderers. And if you were rational, you would agree that this solemn thread was not an appropriate place to attack one's own community. You are, in essence, telling me that I am somehow wrong for taking exception to a very ugly accusation that you also know to be wrong.

Hence the question you will not answer;

"Do you really believe DU is full of people that are 'more inhuman' than those who murdered people for being gay?"

That is an appeal to your rationality. It is your decision to flail and hurl epithets or stop and think.

[PVnRT]

106. "Inhumanity" takes many forms. Perhaps you should consult a dictionary.

[The Doctor.]

113. Right, but the suggestion that DU is more inhuman than the murderers of innocent gays

is just plain wrong.

Or do you agree with #30?


The rage has really gone off the deep end when people start suggesting that DU is worse than murderers.

[Zuiderelle]

158. It was "DU's inhumanity haunts him more." Not that he thought DU's inhumanity was worse than murder

Really, just fucking get lost. You can say a dozen times (well, you've said it more than that now), that he said that DU is worse than murderers but he NEVER DID. He has every right to be MORE haunted by the inhumanity expressed lately by the people he knows and corresponds with every day, than strangers who have murdered the people being honored in this thread. That's pretty human and natural actually.

Your twisting what he said to suit YOUR need for outrage-drama is sickening.

[The Doctor.]

159. Then do explain just how it is that DU's 'inhumanity' is more haunting than that of the murderers.

Either way, it was an unwarranted and unfounded attack on DU in what was otherwise a solemn thread.

Don't go around, as you are wont to do, insulting, ridiculing, and tossing around accusations and then have the gall to turn around and tell anyone else they haven't the right to react to an attack.

The hypocrisy of the rage-junkies is astounding.

[Zuiderelle]

175. You insult anyone who posts to you. Why is that?

And why do you call people rage-junkies who are exhibiting no rage?

You have every right to shit all over any thread you like. And I have the right to say that it's disgraceful and rude. And you are deliberately misquoting the post you originally responded to to make yourself seem more reasonable. I cannot answer for that person why the anti-gay attitude of several DUers haunts him, but I can tell you that it was not an unwarranted nor unfounded "attack," and it wasn't against DU, but specifically the DUers that have exhibited the inhumanity he was referencing.

It would be nice if you would stop now.

[The Doctor.]

180. Calling me names, creating strawmen, mischaracterizing my posts, and

making otherwise false claims gives me the right to call my accusers rage junkies.

Only people blinded by anger can so deliberately misconstrue what I've said, ignore the fact that I've been unreasonably attacked, and call me the things you have.

You call my responding to an attack 'shitting' all over the place. When I defend myself, you claim 'bigotry'. Like I said, you have some nerve to tell me I haven't the right to stand up to the attacks while you insist on attacking me for it.

The hypocrisy is astounding.

That aside,
Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays, and I hope you're having a nice time whatever you're doing.

[Zenlitened]

193. This would have been a good point to admit...

... that you misinterpreted the post.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

128. no but a lot of them willfully dont understand what we suffer. that is a shame. nt

[The Doctor.]

132. That is a shame.

I have seen a few truly insensitive posts, but not a great deal of real bigotry.

I have been accused of being 'insensitive' when I take exception to mindless rage and baseless attacks, but I do understand to the greatest degree that any straight person can. I've lost friends, seen them suffer, and even suffered from homophobia myself. I know the hatred that is out there for people that have done no harm, and that level of hatred doesn't exist anywhere on DU. It just saddens me to see how the anger makes some few blindly lash out at their friends and allies... people who have supported GLBT causes like myself, merely for the crime of saying that just because someone is more concerned about the economy or keeping their home does not make them your enemy.

It's just horrific to watch all that rage lashing out at people who just don't deserve it. Then, when someone takes exception to undeserved assaults, they become the target of greater abuse.

The rage is justified, but when it is blind it is neither appropriate nor constructive. I will fight against all form of hatred, including the blind rage that elicits unprovoked attacks.

Most people can be led to understand, and so far, I haven't seen one single authentic DUer express any opposition to equal rights for our GLBT brothers and sisters. I suspect that there are trolls who, in the anger and pain of the GLBT community, have found a golden opportunity to infiltrate and sow disruption. They can join, and merrily rail about how 'hateful and bigoted' DU is, and in their anger, many just pile on in agreement... despite the fact that there are so few real instances of such.

Mindless anger is too easy a target for those trying to sow turmoil.

[Bluebear]

183. Maybe you haven't "seen" the bigotry because it doesn't affect you?

You may not seem something as bigoted whereas a gay person would.

[The Doctor.]

185. I've not dismissed that possibility.

At the same time, I've seen many, many instances of people who deliberately find it where it is not.

I've seen women claim 'Sexism!' for someone criticizing a woman for other reasons than her gender.
I've seen black women ruin a perfectly good luncheon for themselves because they claimed that the reason one of their meals was held up was 'racism'... even though everyone in the restaurant who ordered the same thing had to wait... regardless of race.

I'm always open to seeing the facts. If there really is bigotry here, I'll denounce it. If someone could explain why any instance is bigotry to them without having to deliberately misrepresent the incident, I'll certainly be on board.

As I've said before, I'm perfectly willing to exercise discovery, yet over and over, I wind up dealing with people who are not even remotely interested in understanding... just rage.

[Bluebear]

182. .

[Mabus]

33. ...

[Marnieworld]

34. yep

Just a difference of opinion. :eyes: :cry:

Thank you for this thread.

[DRoseDARs]

37. Oh boo hoo, none of these people had fire hoses blasting or police dogs snarling at them...

What a bunch of bunk. You whiny over-reacting gays should just be patient, at the back of the bus, because we've bigger problems to deal with.

:sarcasm:

[DRoseDARs]

38. Bitchy snark aside, I add this picture to the list:

[The Doctor.]

42. But they wound up dead or beaten nonetheless.

Diminishing their fate, no matter what 'context' you think you're evoking, is disgusting regardless of how many 'sarcasm' tags you stick on.

The suggestion that your fellow DUers, any of them, would not be moved, or find this devastating in any context, is, at the very least, horribly insulting. At worst it's just plain vile and disgusting.

[DRoseDARs]

44. I was echoing Mike Huckabee's comment while on The View, smart guy. To point out it's bigotry.

http://www.pinke.biz/news/473/Mike-Huckabee-Says-Gays-Haven-t-Suffered-Enough-to-Ask-for-Civil-Rights/

I'll forgive you if you hadn't heard about that before.

[The Doctor.]

45. I am sorry.

I did not know. How I missed that, I don't know because I do try to pay attention.

You needn't forgive. Just understand that many DUers have been under assault for lacking 100% empathy. I thought your post, like one of them upthread, was just another opportunistic attack on your fellows.

Again... I apologize without any other qualification.

[DRoseDARs]

48. It's alright. Everyone's anger-o-trons are working overtime right now.

I worry it will reach critical mass in coming weeks, especially if the Prop 8 lawsuits go over badly for the LGBT community. Stonewall v2.0 might not be far-fetched, and that's exactly what we don't need right now. On the plus side(?), if that happens Huckabee will probably get his fire hoses and police dogs and as such gays will have reached his arbitrary threshold for a legitimate civil rights movement. :eyes:

[The Doctor.]

53. They'd better not.

Any judge that fails this test will be on the wrong side of history. Every loss for equal rights is a victory for the New Dark Age.

I don't want to have to live in that age for reasons that would be imprudent to discuss.

I'm just disgusted with the few posters that have used this otherwise sacrosanct and devastating OP to attack the rest of the DU community out of hand.


The rage may be justified, but unleashing it on one's friends and allies is not. Especially here.

[WhollyHeretic]

65. I saw those same views expressed by DUers today

[Shiver]

39. .

[northofdenali]

40. I see the faces of my friends and some family

reflected in these photographs.

When will people get over their fear and homophobia, and let EVERYONE live their lives with love?
:cry::cry:

[DRoseDARs]

46. The picture (post#38) I added WAS a friend for a time in middle school.

He was openly gay and suffered for it here in Reno. Was abused by students, his pleas for help ignored by teachers and administrators, passed around from school to school because no one wanted to deal with him. He eventually sued the school district, several schools, and a number of teachers and administrators. And won. Made national news years back and forced Washoe County School District to pay a 6 figure settlement as well as rewrite their harassment and sensitivity policies.

He was one of the lucky ones pictured in this thread: He only had a lasso loosely around his neck, the fuckers didn't actual follow through on their threat to drag him behind their truck with it.

[defendandprotect]

69. One of the most urgent things has to be to help youth ...

a friend in his early 50's was recently telling me a bit about his

school years and he was especially upset to learn that one of the

administrators is still there.

[Bette Noir]

99. Email this story to Obama.

If he gets enough, he might finally get it.

[ThomCat]

41. ...kick and recommend

:cry:

[Skittles]

47. beautiful

well done

[Bluenorthwest]

49. Without words

nt

[rosesaylavee]

50. ...

[varelse]

51. Recommended without comment

:cry:

[billyoc]

52. K&R without comment

[Rockholm]

54. I was in London when the Admiral Duncan was bombed.

We were going to stop in for a drink as it was our last day in London, but decided to stop for fish & chips instead. Good decision.
Thank you for this great post.

[KG]

55. rick fuckin' warren isn't just some guy with disagreeable opinions. he gets up every day

and actively works against values many on DU hold dear. worse, make a damn fine living spreading his brand of hate and lies and ignorance and, utimately, violence.

i find obamas relationship with this person odious. and the apologists reprehensible.

[byronius]

57. K & R.

[autorank]

58. k*r Thank you!

[dana_b]

59. .

[chknltl]

61. .

[NMMNG]

62. .....

Life, Interrupted

[jonnyblitz]

83. excellent video . thanks for the link. nt

[Mad_Dem_X]

121. My God.

No words...:cry: :cry: :cry:

[ThomCat]

174. That is really very well done.

It's haunting. Sad. Memorable. :(

Thank you.

[BigBearJohn]

63. .

[Lil Missy]

66. ....

:(

[trickyguy]

67. This is what most progressive bigots don't understand about LGBT. The pain.

[OwnedByFerrets]

70. .

[Mike Nelson]

71. .

.

[defendandprotect]

72. The question for me is always the same ...

What is wrong with people who cannot see the humanity of others --

what is wrong with them ---???!!!

... other than religion, for one --

[AnotherDreamWeaver]

73. I went to see "Milk" last night...

This is hard to see today, and I only recognize a few, but understand the statement...

[mdmc]

75. .

,

[Two Americas]

76. .

.

[Mnemosyne]

77. .

:cry:

[nadine_mn]

78. ,..

[AntiFascist]

79. .

[blue neen]

85. I didn't want to click on this thread. I knew it would be so painful.

...but you made me understand. I am grateful to you for that.

You will now have my voice, also.

[jonnyblitz]

90. ...

:hug:

[awoke_in_2003]

134. Very good....

hopefully this post pulls more over. Before the Rick Warren fiasco, I really never gave gay marriage much thought. The last few days here have really opened my eyes on the subject. Equal rights for all, or none.

[Mnpaul]

86. Well done

It needs no comment

[Lugnut]

93. K&R

:cry:

[Dystopian]

97. KandR.

Heartbreaking.
Heartfelt thanks for putting this together. It must have been very painful...yet we can't close our eyes to the pain and suffering.


peace~

[ooglymoogly]

100. This is a fray none of us who value the constitution and what it stands for

can stand quietly by and watch the cause of these horrors glorified and given a place of the highest honor. Ask not for whom the bell tolls, it tolls for thee.

[SnowGoose]

101. RIP

[AllHereTruth]

102. ...

[mockmonkey]

103. .

[democrank]

104. K & R

~PEACE~

[Inspired]

107. ...

[myrna minx]

108. I have no words, just tears.

:cry:

[closeupready]

111. Rick Warren still going to give an invocation?

What a fucking disgrace.

[Marrah_G]

115. So sad

and shameful.

[Solly Mack]

116. K&R

[LaurenG]

117. ..

:cry:

[Lerkfish]

119. I only wish there were SOME commentary so I could know what all of the pictures were.

and the stories behind them. Some I know, of course, but some I don't.
obviously there are some brutalized people due to the intolerance of others.
That's the saddest part of the human condition: to be attacked for simply being "other".


:cry: :grouphug:

[awoke_in_2003]

135. As was suggested upthread...

right click on the pics and look at the properties. Should give you a good starting point.

[Mad_Dem_X]

120. .

:cry:

[katandmoon]

123. ...

[RetroLounge]

124. .

:cry:

RL

[JNelson6563]

125. Love is never a sin, only the lack of it is.

Paraphrased from the movie Rob Roy.

[graywarrior]

126. Extremely powerful statement

[AlabamaBrightBlueDot]

127. k&r with love

[Catherine Vincent]

129. The guy in Texas that was dragged to death....I didn't know he was gay. nt

[awoke_in_2003]

136. neither did I...

thought it was because he was black. But of course, bigotry of any kind can lead to such unthinkable acts

[Lyric]

148. I don't think that he was. However, one of his murderers claimed to have

been raped in prison by black men, which was twice as infuriating to him due to the fact that homosexuality is considered a complete "abomination" in his redneck, bigoted culture. When he got out, he took out his rage and disgust on James Byrd, Jr. The murder was fueled by racism, and the murderer's perverse desire to punish an innocent man because of what had happened to him in prison--nevermind the fact that the vast majority of prison rapes are about dominance and control, and have nothing to do with being gay.

Bigotry is not always confined to JUST race, or homophobia, or gender. Sometimes, sadly, the hatreds intermingle.

[jonnyblitz]

152. I never knew that.

:hi:

[MountainLaurel]

131. I recognized one of those faces

A boy I went to school with. He was known for having an incredible voice and for being kind to everyone.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Warren

[jonnyblitz]

142. I read the wiki entry. members of Fred Phelps clan showed up

at this poor guy's funeral. this young straight guy I knew from an Alabama Freethought Association (affiliated with Freedom From Religion Foundation) went to the funeral of another bashing victim, Billy Jack Gaither, whose picture appears on this thread. My friend went to represent the group and was greeted by Phelps and friends. He had never heard of Phelps and was just completely mortified by them to the point where he couldn't sit still through the memorial service and just went outside to watch the Phelps'. he was stunned and couldn't believe people could be so hateful at a funeral with those nasty picky signs.

apparently PBS frontine did a story on this guy, billy jack gaither. his murder, like many bashings, was over the top BRUTAL.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/assault/billyjack/

[gvstn]

133. Painful..

There was a recent diary on KOS about being black and gay. Not the most eloquent but it was about having lowered expectations. About being conditioned to accept "less than".

As I scrolled through these pics, I found myself thinking "another skull with a couple hundred stitches--sickening that someone could actually hit another human being with a baseball bat". Then I realized that unconsciously I knew what gay-bashing looked like. I knew there would be more pics like them. How did we get to the point that when someone says "gay-bashing" we know that that means he probably had his skull cracked open with a hard object. Worse, how can it possibly still be going on? If this was happening to any other random sub-group of society it would be news 24/7. There would be task forces to catch these demons. But here and now it is just relegated to some frat boys that had too much to drink. The "guy" was probably being a little "too open" about his sexual orientation. It's a gut check both to the reality of what humans are capable of doing to each other and what gays are forced to endure because of a press that doesn't want to alienate those who are uncomfortable with the consequences of their religious/sexual ideology.

[awoke_in_2003]

137. If we as a country...

do not strongly state that civil rights cover everybody, how long do you think it will take before we start having public hangings (with the backing of the church, of course)? Just in the last 20 years I cannot believe the grip religion has gotten in our country.

[Veritas_et_Aequitas]

138. .

[Not Me]

143. And sometimes, justice comes

Assault on gay man lands Spencerport man in prison
MEAGHAN M. MCDERMOTT • STAFF WRITER • DECEMBER 24, 2008

A Spencerport man will serve five and a half years in prison for attacking a gay man in a Spencerport bar in March.

Jesse Parsons, 25, was sentenced Tuesday by Judge Richard Keenan. Keenan tacked an additional year and half on a four-year sentence Parsons was expected to receive after he reached a plea agreement in September.

That agreement was voided in November after Parsons made disparaging remarks about his victim in open court.

Parsons had pleaded guilty to second-degree assault, a felony, in connection with the March 8 beating of Lance Neve, also of Spencerport, inside Snuggery's Bar.

more at:
http://www.democratandchronicle.com/article/20081224/NEWS01/812240350

[xenussister]

144. This powerful video has several of their names

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mw9zJq0QGl0&feature=related

(though I had to turn down the music halfway through when Elton John started playing. I'm trying to avoid his music now, and I'll never buy a Melissa Etheridge album, til the day I die)

Why can't people be more empathetic?

Thank you for this sad, sad thread.

:cry:

[AldebTX]

145. I Keep Looking At The Very First Picture

I wonder what is going through their minds and how anyone can think that is the Godly thing to do.

[alfredo]

149. Laws do little without a change of heart.

[grantcart]

154. Thank you so much for this thread

I was intrigued by how few names I could attach to these pictures. Some were easy, some were stories I knew but couldn't identify the pictures. Here is what I found for others who are in the same boat (only had time for the first 40 will return later for the rest)



1) Execution of Iranian Gay teenagers http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Execution_of_two_gay_teens_in_Iran_spurs_controversy

2) Matthew Shepard http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Shepard

3) Brandon McInerney (charged in killing Lawrence King) http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/23/us/23oxnard.html?_r=1

4) Gwen Araujo http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gwen_Araujo

5) unidentified

6) Bishop Atherton http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Atherton

7) New Orleans Arson fire 32 fatalities http://www.gayworld.net/memorial/

8) Pink Triangle Park Memorial (Gay Holocaust Memorial) http://pinktrianglepark.org/

9) Erwin Schimitizek http://counterlightsrantsandblather1.blogspot.com/2008/08/gays-and-holocaust.html?showComment=1218152100000

10) Barry Winchell http://www.temenos.net/remember/winchell/news0716.htm

11) Scott Amedure http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Amedure

12) Harvey Milk http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvey_Milk

13) Mayor Moscone http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Moscone

14) Lawrence King see 3) Above

15) Neve Lance http://www.hatecrimesbill.org/lance_neve/

16) Dixie Landers http://www.xtra.ca/public/viewstory.aspx?AFF_TYPE=2&STORY_ID=3107&PUB_TEMPLATE_ID=5

17) Kevin Aviance http://www.washblade.com/2007/6-1/arts/feature/10678.cfm

18) Unidentified

19) Simmie Williams Jr. http://rodonline.typepad.com/rodonline/2008/02/vigil-for-simmi.html

20) Craig Gee http://joebrummer.com/WordPress/?p=896

21) Michael Sandy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Sandy

22 + 23) Ryan Smith and Richard Jefferson http://www.queerty.com/queer/richard-jefferson/

24) Ronnie Paris http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronnie_Paris

25) unidentified

26) Angie Zapata http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=5444468

27) Roxanne Ellis and Michelle Abdill http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roxanne_Ellis

28) Paul Broussard http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Broussard

29) Amancio Corrales http://www.theamancioproject.org/

30) Lisa Craig http://www.republicoft.com/2007/10/19/the-lgbt-hate-crimes-project-lisa-craig/

31) Kenneth Cummings http://www.soulforce.org/article/1285

32) Ukea Davis and Stephanie Thomas http://www.soulforce.org/article/1285

33) Jimmie Lee Dean http://planetransgender.blogspot.com/2008/12/jimmy-lee-dean-trial-date-set-unified.html

34) Alfred Dibble (Mistakenly identified as Albert) http://www.republicoft.com/2007/11/12/the-lgbt-hate-crimes-project-alfred-dibble/

35) Roberto Duncanson http://kenyonfarrow.com/2007/05/13/another-loss-roberto-duncanson/

36) Bella Evangelista http://www.republicoft.com/2007/08/29/the-lgbt-hate-crimes-project-bella-evangelista/

37) Steen Fenrich http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steen_Fenrich

38) Andrew Frost and Jean Rolland http://gay_blog.blogspot.com/2006/12/az-official-offers-10000-reward-in-gay.html

39) Daniel Fetty http://www.lgbthatecrimes.org/doku.php/daniel-fetty

40) Jason Gage http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Gage

[jonnyblitz]

160. here's one you missed that has a documentary about him

I did random checks like you did and found this out about this one not on rlist. his picture is on the wiki page, the same picture in the OP. His name is Ryan Skipper from Florida. :hi:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryan_Skipper

[racaulk]

163. More information, and a correction...

Hey grantcart,

Thank you for your reply to this thread. I had been intentionally maintaining my silence throughout this thread, as my silence can say more than my words could. Also, I think silence is very symbolic of the fact that many of the people pictured are no longer with us. But I think it's important to lend my voice in this instance...

On the first 40 pictures, here is more information to fill in your gaps, for those that are interested:

3) This is not Brandon McInerney, but Brandon Teena http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandon_Teena

5) Gerard Fleming http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,22143088-5001021,00.html

18) Duanna Johnson http://www.kctv5.com/news/16654585/detail.html

25) Steve Domer http://www.lgbthatecrimes.org/doku.php/steve-domer

Thank you for researching these faces and places, and providing more information on them for other DUers. I'm interested to see what you find for the remaining photos.

Happy Holidays to you and yours! :hi:

[grantcart]

176. Individually each of these stories is heartbreacking but togther they are an indictment

Thanks for your thread, filing in the blanks.

A somber rememberance during the holidays. I think that you should start a permanent record in the research forum.

Of course one is left with the mind numbing awareness that this has been going on for thousands of years and that the string of victims winds backward through human history.

[tblue]

167. This from Wiki about #1 Teens in Iraq

According to Iranian newspapers, the two boys were given 228 lashes for their other convictions of theft, disrupting public order and public drinking before they were hanged in Edalat ("Justice" in English) Square in the Iranian city of Mashhad. The executioners, fearing reprisals, wore masks and anti-riot forces were mobilized to prevent outbreaks of public protests.

Photos of the execution released by Iranian Students News Agency showed the two teens crying in the truck driving them to the gallows in Justice Square, located in the northeastern region of the country.

//snip

http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Execution_of_two_gay_teens_in_Iran_spurs_controversy



Where the hell can I sign up to stop this insanity??????????????????

Thanks for the annotations. My heart is breaking.

[jonnyblitz]

169. I saw the other pictures besides the one posted in the OP,

actually I first saw them a few years back. i found the one where they are sitting in the jail cell sobbing plus the ones where they are hanging dead at the end of it particularly disturbing. I never saw the one in the truck that you mention. The news sources claimed they raped a 13 year old boy at knife point, also. There are questions about whether all of this is true. :(

on edit: I got to thinking after I posted that maybe what i thought was a "jail cell" was actually the back of the truck that you mention. it was sort of closeup and it could have been a truck.

[tblue]

170. Oh my gosh.

:cry: I'm glad I didn't see the one of them hanged. Why are people so brutal and cruel and hateful? What the hell do we gain?

Yeah, I read about the alleged rape they were accused of. Convenient. I wonder what happened to that 13 year old boy rape victim. When women are raped, she's the one who's punished.

[RandomKoolzip]

181. Thank you for putting names to the faces and a kick for this incredible thread.

:cry:

[Veruca Salt]

186. Thank you for all the work that went into finding the details

I appreciate it and being able to read their stories. :cry:

[antipode]

157. Sadly, many Americans wouldn't have the first clue what those images represent.

And far too many wouldn't care.

[tblue]

171. What does that say about we as a people?

[Jamastiene]

177. Volumes. n/t

[leftstreet]

162. .

[mnhtnbb]

164. Brothers, sisters, sons and daughters. All God's children.

[Fire1]

165. A moving tribute

[tblue]

173. A call to action

[beac]

166. ....

:cry: and :patriot:

[tblue]

168. Powerful does not begin to describe this.

I'm devastated.

Where the hell do I go to sign up to stop this insanity??????

I <3 you, my LGBT brothers and sisters.

[Toasterlad]

178. .

[bluedawg12]

179. Anti gay propaganda is more than a "difference of opinion."

[dropkickpa]

184. .

:cry: :grr:

[Muttocracy]

187. :(

[grantcart]

188. kicking and hoping to have time tor return to finish 154 soon

[racaulk]

189. .

[tekisui]

190. .

:cry: :grouphug:

[CanuckAmok]

191. Only recognizing a few of those faces, a question:

Who are the (little) kids, and how are they a part of this? Surely not victims of gay bashing(??).

[jonnyblitz]

192. the little african american boy about 25 pictures from the top.

here is his wikipedia entry. his dad smacked him around because he thought he was acting gay at 3.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronnie_Paris.

if you right-click on the picture and look at properties sometimes there is a name and you can google. I did one of the kids for you...

[Two Americas]

195. .

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[racaulk]

197. .