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Fri Feb-20-09 11:02 AM
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Fri Feb-20-09 11:13 AM
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1. nothing is going to keep conservatives from splintering |
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churches that want to move forward on issues of women and sexuality.
and it is my strong belief that at the root of pissing and moaning about lgbt clergy -- is the issue of raing women to the status of priest or pastor.
conservatives have never been comfortable with that -- and lgbt clergy provides cover for raising women.
not unlike how the catholic church is using gay men to cover up for other problems.
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Fri Feb-20-09 11:24 AM
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The ELCA has allowed women clergy for quite some time now. The ELCA has always been quite a liberal denomination.
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Fri Feb-20-09 11:26 AM
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4. and i'm an episcopalian -- and we're very liberal |
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as well.
however the conservative elements of the church have always hated raising women to the priesthood.
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Fri Feb-20-09 01:15 PM
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7. Not sure what your point |
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So then how would opposition to this in the ELCA be about preventing women clergy? They've allowed women clergy for decades. The last time I went to an ELCA church there were four female lay pastors going through their training to become full time pastors.
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Fri Feb-20-09 07:43 PM
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13. that there are female pastors doesn't mean there isn't |
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opposition to female pastors.
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Carl Skan
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Fri Feb-20-09 08:26 PM
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Edited on Fri Feb-20-09 09:02 PM by Carl Skan
Are you familiar with the ELCA? Why would somebody who has issues with female clergy be a member of an ELCA church?
It's not some little secret of that denomination, they're pretty well known for their promotion of women into church leadership.
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Fri Feb-20-09 11:25 AM
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3. They'll just head on over to the Missouri Synod. |
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I think that's as conservative as they get in our country.
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Fri Feb-20-09 11:28 AM
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5. and really that's where they belong. |
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it's past time that holding congregations hostage to one topic of conversation be the norm.
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Carl Skan
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Fri Feb-20-09 11:30 AM
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Edited on Fri Feb-20-09 11:41 AM by Carl Skan
The AFLC has a bunch of church's that didn't like the very liberal interpretation of the Bible of the ELCA. It had been a more scriptural based denomination than the ELCA for a long time before that.
If a congregation is conservative enough to go Missouri Synod, they would have never been a part of the ELCA.
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Fri Feb-20-09 03:59 PM
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8. Actually I believe both the Wisconsin Synod of the Lutheran Church |
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And the American Lutheran Church (ALC) are more conservative than the Missouri Synod.
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Fri Feb-20-09 04:09 PM
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Did you mean the AALC? The ALC has been a part of the ELCA since the merger in 1988.
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Fri Feb-20-09 04:14 PM
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There is a Lutheran denomination that is even further right than the WELS though. One of my friend's brother was kicked out of the clergy of that denomination because he got divorced.
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Fri Feb-20-09 04:34 PM
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Edited on Fri Feb-20-09 04:35 PM by Carl Skan
There are about a dozen of them.
I'm just saying that if a congregation is conservative enough to go all the way to Missouri Synod (or the ones you mention), they wouldn't have been a part of the ELCA in the first place.
The ELCA being an extremely progressive church body is nothing new. There's a rather large gap between the ELCA and most Lutheran denominations regarding the inerrancy of the Bible. I still remember hearing somebody predict this news back in 88-89 and thinking to myself that they were just using hyperbole to make a point.
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Fri Feb-20-09 04:39 PM
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I love that the Evangelical in ELCA really does not mean anything.
I am (as a pagan) moderately comfortable in an ELCA church. Can't say that about any of the other synods.
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Fri Feb-20-09 08:33 PM
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15. Kitchy, that's the church I grew up in. |
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I attended PART of fifth grade at a Lutheran school in Santa Monica,CA.
It was the Missouri Synod and it was night and day different from the churches I had been to.
That lasted for a whole three months- after watching some of my classmates spit at nuns from St. Monica's, my Mom pulled me from that school.
Waaay different!!
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Fri Feb-20-09 10:07 PM
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which has its own set of "special" baggage.
I was involved in a long term relationship with a Missouri Synod Lutheran...he would go on and on about how they were not as conservative as the WELS Lutherans. But it was a fine line.
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Fri Feb-20-09 10:02 PM
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16. Ther's a Lutheran group more conservative than.... |
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the Missouri Synod? I'm ex-Missouri Synod myself and I thought they were the worst, though as I remember, the Wisconsin Synod people could give the Missouri Synod folks a run for their money.
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Fri Feb-20-09 10:18 PM
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18. There is the Wisconsin Synod |
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and another small synod, I thought it was the ALC but I am mistaken. All I know is that a friend's brother who was clergy in that smaller sect of the Lutheran church, was defrocked because he got divorced.
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