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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 03:24 PM
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Anyone else know what it feels like to be queer and fat?
I'm bisexual and overweight. It feels like I'm one of only a handful of queerfolk who don't work out regularly (I know, I should, for my health), who isn't a stunning knockout - you know, the stereotypical queer guy.

I *know* my perception is flawed - my first gay experiences after coming out a few years ago involved a gay couple (*blush*), one thin and one heavier than me. So I know we heavy queers exist.

But I still feel inadequate compared to the Adonises (Adonisi?) out there. So, can I hear from my fellow big boys and girls? A little reminder I'm not alone? Yeah, I'm a little needy, sue me. :P

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w13rd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 03:29 PM
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1. I'm not really "big"...
...I'm just larger than I'd like to be. Which makes things tough, because I'm not into being the object of someones fetish. I'd prefer just being appreciated for who I am, plus or minus a little. Yeah, it can be tough. But it's not easy for the Adonisi <sic> either.
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 03:31 PM
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2. add old to that one honey
I'm your man.Overweight is a very general term. We are all overweight according to some. So, Try your best, and love yourself no matter what.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 03:52 PM
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3. I actually do love myself.
Anyone who doesn't like me, for me, is not worth it.

But I can't say I'm not extremely shy and slightly lonely due to not being the type of guy people talk about here (and elsewhere).

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Siyahamba Donating Member (890 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 03:55 PM
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4. Don't worry, you're far from alone.
Outside movies, magazines, and televisions, there are GLBT with more than five extra pounds on their frame.
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Siyahamba Donating Member (890 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 06:21 PM
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7. By the way...
This was picked up at a pride festival a few years ago. Lots of similarities, especially in the "choice" vs. genetics areas:

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So why is a fat acceptance group showing up at the Pride festival, aside from the fact that we have bisexual and lesbian members, not to mention straight members who are definitely not narrow?

The reason, besides the fact that the cause is just and the fact that we love a good party, is that fat people and lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgendered (LGBT) people are in a similar position in the eyes of mainstream society. Pride Day is a great opportunity to educate people about this, but more importantly it's a chance to stand with our LGBT friends against prejudice, and to demand fundamental human rights for all of us. As long as any of us are oppressed, none of us are free.

How are fat people and LGBT people similar?

1. Most people believe that both being fat and being gay is a matter of personal choice. This is true in a sense - what we all choose is to have a fully human life.

If you are lesbian or gay, it's possible to maintain "normality" by marrying someone of the opposite sex and performing feats of imagination that enable you to function sexually often enough to reproduce. You'll be expected to suppress a fundamental part of your personality, all the time. Never mind that your soul dies.

All you have to do is recognize that you are subhuman and not entitled to a sex life that fully involves you at all levels. John Paulk does it, doesn't he?

If you are fat, and no more than 30-80 pounds heavier than average, it's possible to maintain "normality" by cutting your caloric intake to approximately half of average (often to levels that the UN recognizes as starvation). If you're really heavy, you'll be expected to undergo dangerous and ineffective surgery to make sure you eat even less. Of course, you should also do a stringent workout every day, and maintain the regimen for the rest of your life. Never mind that your soul dies, nor that your body often dies, too.

All you have to do is recognize that you are subhuman, and are not entitled to spend many of your free hours on anything other than working on your "weight problem." Oprah Winfrey does it, doesn't she?

2. Discrimination against both LGBT people and fat people is mostly still legal and socially acceptable.

Only in Michigan and Santa Cruz County in California is it illegal to discriminate against fat people. Only in a few areas around the country is it illegal to discriminate against LGBT people. Homophobia and fatphobia are not only institutionalized, but publicly defended and proudly proclaimed.

3. Neither fat children nor queer children are safe in schools.

Both fat and LGBT kids are targeted for systematic abuse and harassment from their peers, destroying their self-esteem and, in too many cases, driven to suicide as a result. The harassers are often aided and abetted by those in authority who should be protecting all children.

Teachers tell gay students who suffer years of abuse by their classmates:
"They'd leave you alone if you just didn't act so swishy."

Teachers tell fat students who suffer years of abuse by their classmates:
"They'd leave you alone if you'd just lose weight."

4. Both LGBT and fat people are victims of ignorant and misguided health "information" and so-called "concern" that often hurts more than it helps.

For example:
"Everybody knows" that AIDS is a gay disease, and that LGBT people are irresponsible about spreading it. Of course, informed people realize that unsafe sex (regardless of one's orientation) spreads AIDS, and that 90% of the people with AIDS are heterosexual. In addition, LGBT people often avoid medical care because they are unwilling to field rude questions about their assumed habits, and because they worry about confidentiality.

Similarly:
"Everybody knows" that being fat causes heart disease, cancer, and diabetes. Of course, informed people realize that inactivity and poor nutrition (in someone of any size), as well as genetic factors, denial of health insurance, and the stress of discrimination cause these health problems. In addition, fat people often avoid medical care because they are unwilling to field rude questions about their assumed habits, and because many doctors attribute any problem to weight instead of working on an accurate diagnosis.


5. Both LGBT and fat people have a set of "things to strictly avoid doing in public."

Strangers feel they have the right to interfere with your personal life, make assumptions about you, and pass judgment on you. Some examples:

LGBT: expressing affection for a partner, wearing "funny" clothes, flirting, talking to children.

Fat: eating an ice cream cone, wearing sexy clothes, dancing and flirting, exercising -- and NOT exercising.

6. Both LGBT and fat people are subject to resentment because we dare to live as we please, despite pressures that crush other people into conformity.

Homophobe: "I've been stuck in a 'shotgun' marriage for 20 years; sex with my spouse bores me, and the only person with whom I'm emotionally intimate is my best friend. I'm also trapped in a dead-end job to support kids I never wanted. I hate gay people, especially the ones who are out and proud, because their very existence mocks my boring life and the sacrifices I make to fit everyone else's expectations."

Fatphobe: "I live on celery and yogurt, and spend most of my free time working out. I still don't much care for the way I look, but at least I am closer to the cultural ideal weight than the 15 pounds heavier that I would otherwise be, and there's always cosmetic surgery if all else fails. At least I recognize my faults and keep trying over and over again. I hate fat people, especially the ones who refuse to be ashamed, because their very existence mocks my boring life and the sacrifices I make to fit everyone else's expectations.

7. Both LGBT and fat people are not considered entitled to the rights and freedoms of modern society. We are expected to live in the dark ages.

In the eyes of others:

For people who prefer opposite-sex partners, it's the 20th century, in which marriage is about companionship as well as reproduction. Simply committing to your partner entitles you to take advantage of many legal perks, even if one of you is sterile or past reproductive age, or if you just don't intend to have kids. For people who prefer same-sex partners, it's the 11th century, where conventional marriage is about property and cementing clan relationships. If you love an "unacceptable" partner, legal rights and other doors are closed to you, and it's your responsibility to deal with it somehow.

For people who don't gain weight easily and are not visibly fat, it's the 20th century, in which sufficient food is generally available and most work is sedentary. For people who are visibly fat, it's the 11th century, where day-long physical labor on semi-starvation rations is the norm. If you're hungry, you must find a way to ignore it or trick your body, and if your sedentary job requires a lot of your time, it's your responsibility to find the extra time to do extra labor somehow.

If you still wonder why we're here, we suggest that you think of all the stereotypes you may hold about fat people. Write them all down, cross out "fat" and substitute "gay," and see how you feel about them. Now you know.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 06:31 PM
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9. absolutely brilliant
I have never seen this but it is totally brilliant thanks for posting this.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 04:06 AM
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10. Wow, this is really interesting reading!
Thanks for sharing this.

I have to admit, sometimes I feel like I'm fighting both. Even one of my friends has said she wouldn't date someone as heavy as me (remember, I'm bi), and I'm dealing with homophobia at work, where I'm pretty sure the co-worker I confronted over his bigoted remarks has spread around what happened - with his spin on it, of course - and may even have told people I'm queer (one friend kinda skirted the edges of the topic, I think), and I'm not out at work except to a few friends I trust.

Hell, even my DAD doesn't know.

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khashka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 09:34 PM
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25. oh good!
A little bitter, but justified. I think fat people get trashed in our society. It's not good and it's not right. Time to change...


Khash.
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soleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 02:46 PM
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31. This was actually posted in the fat acceptanct forum a while back
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ladeuxiemevoiture Donating Member (668 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 04:20 PM
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5. The heaviest I've ever been is what you would call "robust",
though that's being nice - I was downright flabby. The fat weighed me down and made me feel tired and unattractive. Fat also makes you look older than you are.

However, some guys really like overweight guys. It's a minority of guys, granted, and the fashion is and has (always?) been fit and muscular for gay men. Looking good and masculine, for better or worse, is paramount if you are gay.
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Glorfindel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 04:44 PM
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6. Oh, yes...
When I was growing up, I was ALWAYS fat; being gay to boot just made it that much worse. But I was finally diagnosed with a urinary problem at age 18, and lost over 80 pounds by the time I was 20. I felt as if I could fly! Now that I'm "of a certain age," I'm bulking up again (to say the least), so I can definitely sympathize. Just know that you're not alone and be happy in your OWN skin. When you're happy with yourself, it makes other people enjoy being around you more and they tend to look past the superficial to the real person inside. Besides, let's face it, some overweight guys are totally hot!:9
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-05 06:30 PM
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8. I am quite heavy
and yes it is very hard. I also am a recovering alchy so meeting guys is exceptionally hard. So I feel your pain. Fat gays aren't treated to well by some other gays which is kind of ironic to say the least.
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kweerwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 12:32 PM
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11. I can empathize with you, Zhade ...
I've been heavy all my life and it is a struggle.

Don't buy into the media stereotype of the gorgeous gay guys with six-pack abs. Sure they exist, but for every one of them I bet there are at least 20 gay guys with "love handles" (or more).

There are alternative communities within the overall gay community where you will find a great deal more acceptance.

For some guys, there is the "bear" community which is basically men who are generally larger framed and usually hairy and/or bearded. Generally all sizes and shapes of men are accepted here and most larger cities have bear clubs. While the movement started out as a reaction to the "gym bunny" culture of the '80s, I've noticed that the bear movement has really gone downhill lately. As the ads say, "your mileage may vary," but my perception of the bear community is that it should probably change it's name to "bitches in beards" in many cases and it puts way too much emphasis on masculinity to the point of sounding like a bunch of 15-year-olds arguing over who is more butch. Plus, their bear runs and other events have become the equivalent of circuit parties that are basically just a revival of the bathhouse culture. You might have decent bear groups in your area, so you might want to check it out.

You might also want to check out organizations such as Girth and Mirth. They aren't as numerous, but they are geared toward the "chubby and chaser" crowd. They promote chubby acceptance, but it can be somewhat overwhelming if you aren't used to the idea ... and it can feel very odd to have guys pursuing you for a quality you aren't comfortable with about yourself.

Best wishes to you, Zhade. Hope these ideas have helped.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 02:04 PM
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13. I guess I'm selfish - I don't want to be liked OR disliked for my weight.
I just want to be liked for who I am - and I think I'm alright, personally. :)

Thanks to you and everyone for the kind words of encouragement!

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sst Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 10:51 PM
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17. Bears
Yeah before I found the bear community I was...well, let's say I thought of myself as less than. Very low self esteem. It's amazing how much your self esteem goes up when you find acceptance in a community, and especially when you're considered attractive. That's probably the best feeling in the world. :) Hell I didn't even KNOW what bears were until a friend told me about the community (I'm 20 but I should've known anyways).
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 01:16 PM
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12. Frankly... Skinny Is Highly Overrated!
I prefer my men to be more substantial.
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ladeuxiemevoiture Donating Member (668 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 03:40 PM
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14. I have to be honest - force to choose, I'd pick skinny over fat
I like skinny. LOL
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 04:02 PM
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15. I Guess That Brings Up The Questions...
.. "how skinny" and "how fat". Emaciated? Obese? -- I don't know that I'd prefer a grossly obese lover at all, but skeletal and underweight is just a little too corpselike for my tastes.
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ladeuxiemevoiture Donating Member (668 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-05 09:27 PM
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16. Not skeletal, just skinny.
Trying to think of an example, here ...

Um ...

I don't know - healthy, but skinny.
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 12:12 AM
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18. me too
I don' t like twinks

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IntravenousDemilo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 03:35 PM
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32. Well, they may not be your thing, but...
if one insisted on going down on you, you might have a tough time saying no, if you're like most people. ;)
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moose65 Donating Member (525 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 09:08 AM
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19. Believe me, there's more than a handful....
of queers who don't work out regularly (yours truly included!) That "Adonis" thing is a myth. The buff guys you see in ads and on <ahem> "entertainment" websites are NOT representative of real people!
There's not a single guy in my circle of queer friends who would even remotely qualify as an Adonis. It's the same myth perpetrated by those skinny models on the cover of Vogue who prompt massive anorexia on the part of young girls. It's all fantasy. Remember that its what's INSIDE that matters! Good luck!
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Obamarama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-05 11:45 AM
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20. Are you healthy? That's all that matters....
Edited on Mon Aug-01-05 12:04 PM by KzooDem
Big deal...you've got a few extra pounds. If you're physically healthy and the extra poounds aren't creating a health issue, SO WHAT.

I've been fit, buff and have had the type of body that would elicit interest on the beach, at the gym, etc...

I've also been as much as 60 lbs overweight (I'm 6'5"). I'm now about 30 lbs overweight and actually just started eating a little more healthier and have started a regular exercise program. I want to be in good shape, but I want to do it for me. I want to maintain a healthy body, rather than a "perfect" body. If my pecs and abs don't return to their former glory, and I can't ever fit back into my size 36 Levi 501s, I'm not going to sit around and cry about it. I am in 16-year relationship, so admitedly I am not out on the "prowl" so to speak...but I still want to be attractive to my partner.

Quite frankly, I think there are just as many hot guys out there who are packing a few extra pounds as there are hot guys who are packing a killer set of abs. And when push comes to shove, I'd be willing to bet the guy with the extra poundage is probably a little more authentic, down-to-earth and less self-centered.

Plus, I think guys without the "gay perfect" body are probably just a little bit better adjusted all the way around. Face it...you don't dedicate hours and hours pumping iron in a gym unless you are indulging your sense of narcicissm. It's my hunch, and I may be wrong, but I think the gym bunnies are going to be the ones that have the most difficult time with the aging process. Eventually, no matter how many curls you do, gravity is going to take its toll.

There are a lot of other guys like me that find a man with a liitle meat on his bones a WHOLE hell of a lot sexier than some skinny little twink who looks like a bag of skin stretched tight over a popsicle stick.

My advice would be to relax, be yourself and let your personality be the thing your potential mate/object of desire sees first. Anyone worth your time will be dazzled by who you are and relegate your fitness level, or lack thereof, a very distant second.

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Q3JR4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 12:03 PM
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21. I've been
working out lately, but my workouts aren't to appease the supreme overlords who define what "sexy" is. My workouts are to make myself feel better about me, and to get me to the point where walking up a flight of stairs is no longer hard but enjoyable.

I've only lost ten pounds since I started, but the amount of confidence I've gained has been tremendous. Because of my confidence, I've had more men talk to me in the last three weeks than I've had in the last four years of my life.

If you would have told me that even three months ago I would have laughed in your face. I thought I had to be itty bitty to attract the kind of guy I'd like. What do you know, though, I was wrong.

You just have to find someone who will love you for your personality and confidence and not for what you look like. That way in thirty or forty years, when gravity starts to take it's toll, and those many days of sitting on your ass at work followed by nights of fast food from MD's and BK start to take their toll, that person will still see you for what you are and not just the outer covering.
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ladeuxiemevoiture Donating Member (668 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-02-05 12:39 PM
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22. Either see you for what you are, or trade you in for a trophy sex partner.
Edited on Tue Aug-02-05 12:40 PM by ladeuxiemevoiture
Just kidding. :D

I wanted to add that when I say I like skinny, I like skinny in the sense that Indian guys are often quite, quite slender, but naturally. That's what I like.
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Terran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-04-05 11:49 AM
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23. It's unfortunate, but gay men generally are worse than straight men
when it comes to looks discrimination. I would echo the earlier recommendations for getting involved with the bear commumity in your area, if you truly want acceptance of your weight. Bears aren't perfect by any means, and the statements made about Bear Runs are true. But they do tend to be a lot less judgemental about appearance. A few might "require" you to have a certain look (bearded, hairy, butch, etc.), but that's the exception, in my experience. A LOT of men find their way to the Bear community for exactly the reasons you're stating--because they are discriminated against by their own people on the basis of appearance. Most bear clubs will let anybody in, you don't have to fit any stereotypical mode; and not all bearish men are after that type themselves, so there tends to be variety.

There's also "Girth and Mirth", which is even more specifically targeted at weighty gay men. I know you said you don't want to be pursued *because* of your appearance any more than you want to be rejected because of it, but when it comes to men and sex and relationships, you may be asking too much. Better to be thought sexy and beautiful because of your weight than to hold on to that principle, I say.

I should just add: I've been overweight all my life except for a spell after college when I got thin. Overall, I'm happier being big now than I've ever been before, and in the last few years being around Bears, I pretty much have to beat them off with a stick (not bragging, it's just the truth).
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khashka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-05 07:44 AM
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24. Sue you? For what?
Cuz you want some validation? Not a big deal. I've been skinny and fat. What really matters is what weight you feel comfortable at.

You're perception is flawed, Zhade. We get told every day that we have to look a certain way. The truth is it doesn't matter how you look, so much as it matters how you percieve yourself. Nobody is gonna think you are sexy or worth spending time with unless you do.

The gay community is rife with discrimination - no fatties, no femmes, no old guys, and we'd prefer it if you aren't black, no offence intended, of course.

But a lot of us don't think that way. Those things are not what is important to us. But.... there are also groups for people who appreciate heavier guys and find them deadly sexy.

Khash.
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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-22-05 11:05 PM
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26. Being a group that self-identifies through sex...
Edited on Sat Oct-22-05 11:09 PM by TechBear_Seattle
Looks -- specifically "sex appeal", however that may be defined -- is going to count for a lot. Especially with regards to men, as we seem to be hard-wired to be turned on by appearance (there is a reason why some 85% of all pornography made targets men.) Fact of life, and anyone who does not meet the current standard of beauty has to deal with it.

That said, you can be assured that you are not alone, nor are you destined to stay alone until you quit your job and spend your day at the gym. Attitude and personality count for a great deal; if you are living life and enjoying yourself, you will get noticed.

Also, take heart in knowing that there are quite a number of people who don't buy in to the GQ / Madison Avenue / Catalina Studio presentation of attractiveness. They can be difficult to find, yes, but they are there. There are social clubs that you might find interesting, but, again, the real key is to just go out and live life. People who are so shallow that they won't give you a second look are not going to be worth your time. Rather than spend the night making goo-goo eyes at the cutie across the room, chat with your friends and look for who is looking at you. He and/or she will be there, most nights at least. I speak from experience :hi:
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Dark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 01:09 PM
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27. What's an Adonisi?
Edited on Sun Oct-23-05 01:09 PM by Dark
Is it a twink?

Sorry, not up to date on the "Gay Agenda's" jargon.



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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 08:40 AM
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29. I believe the word is Adonis
Edited on Mon Oct-24-05 08:41 AM by TechBear_Seattle
Originally, Adonis was the mortal lover of the Syrian goddess Cybel.

The word has long been used to mean a young, very attractive man, usually with a connotation of his being vain and shallower than a mud puddle.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adonis
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-23-05 02:08 PM
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28. society places a great value on youth, looks, fitness
perhaps gay society does so even more.

It seems to me that both gay men and women place a higher value on personal appearances than straights. This may be due to our bar culture- one of the few ways we can meet others.

In bar culture first appearances are important and being seen with the right person is valuable.

It's hard to be appreciated for your brains when you can't even be heard above the music.


is this something we should be looking at as gays?


As far as weight specifically, there is health value to being fit.

Over preoccupation with being model perfect is nuts.

As we age it's harder to maintain the same weight as in early adulthood--but exercise is a good thing and being in shape from a cardio standpoint, having endurance and flexibility are things that can be achieved with work and effort and are worth while pursuits.
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bertha katzenengel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-24-05 12:20 PM
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30. If I dressed differently, I'd probably be stereotyped as a bulldyke
or diesel dyke. But anyone who put that tag on me would be an ignorant fool.

You're not alone. :hi:
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