WillParkinson
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Fri Sep-18-09 08:46 PM
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Just second class citizens? |
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Think about it.
We are second class citizens, given only the rights that the masters (the majority) of our fates deign to give us. We ask to have full rights but are told that they are subject to popular vote.
We do not have the right to marry. We do not have the right to a job in many places. We do not have the right to a family. In some places where we did have rights, the masters (the majority) have been allowed to take them away and have gleefully done so.
We are forced to pay taxes and are not allowed full use of all those taxes provide.
When the masters find they can take away our rights they work to do so. When they take away a right they then start working on denying us other rights.
So what exactly are we? Just second class citizens? I don't think so.
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sabbat hunter
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Fri Sep-18-09 08:57 PM
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I think under the law all marriages should be called civil unions and be treated as such. (gay, straight doesnt matter to me) If you then want a religious ceremony, that would be up to the couple and their church, temple, etc.
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Fri Sep-18-09 10:39 PM
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The government has no legal opinion on whether a religious blessing is involved in a marriage or not.
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WVRICK13
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Sat Sep-19-09 07:36 AM
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about religion and the law?
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sabbat hunter
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Sat Sep-19-09 11:44 AM
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currently in most states, gay couples cannot get any sort of recognition under the law.
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Sat Sep-19-09 12:36 PM
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11. Oh, that's real original |
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Why in every single thread like this does someone act like they've had an original idea?
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iamjoy
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Fri Sep-18-09 09:12 PM
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One can only assume that too many people in this country either don't consider Gays to be people or are very ignorant when it comes to the Constitution.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws
Why is this so hard to understand? Am I oversimplifying things? :shrug:
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WillParkinson
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Sat Sep-19-09 10:22 AM
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9. You missed the most important line in that sentence.... |
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"Unless you happen to be gay."
That makes all the difference, ya know.
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Sat Sep-19-09 03:39 PM
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12. Yeah, and if you're a corporation you get *more* rights and fewer duties. |
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Fri Sep-18-09 09:54 PM
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3. That's kind of what I told the Dem party |
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when they called me for money tonite
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Fri Sep-18-09 11:33 PM
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We have to pay taxes to subsidize religious organizations to work the political system against us.
Not even second class. We're not even on the train.
K&R.
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WVRICK13
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Sat Sep-19-09 07:41 AM
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until ALL citizens are treated equally under the law our entire Constitution and our country are just one big lie. My father always said the difference between the USSR and the USA is the USSR doesn't lie to you. He felt property taxes were an affront on freedom. A direct quote, "you don't own anything in the US, you buy it then you pay rent on it every year."
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Sat Sep-19-09 09:28 AM
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I'm getting a little bored over here watching the Democratic Party flush true health care reform down the corporate drain. It's been X months, and it seems like there will always be "a lot on his plate", so if someone could provide an adequate timeline or season opener on when we can go back to asking this administration just when they plan on doing anything at all, I'd be much obliged.
Maybe one of our resident apologists could help us out? Yes, no?
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Sun Sep-20-09 02:38 PM
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he said on the smoldering ruins of a once great website.
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Tue Sep-22-09 09:47 PM
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15. I'm not sure many of them are even here anymore either. |
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This place is getting to be a tomb.
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Tue Sep-22-09 08:18 AM
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14. fight back. they're not playing fair, so we don't have to either |
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We do have some advantages that married people don't, and if you plan things out well enough, we actually come out ahead.
Add to that when you take the idea of telling everyone how hurt and sad we are (which turns a lot of them on), and tell them how thanks to them we're getting away with something they can't, it pisses them off.
Stir the shit with the haters. Get in their faces. Tell them the worst they can do to us is inconvenience us, the worst we can do to them is laugh at them, and that's a whole lot worse to them.
We ARE the masters, until you admit that you're not. You write the script for your life, nobody else does. This is YOUR play, not your neighbor's.
You are only a second class citizen if you walk to the back of the bus.
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