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racaulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-18-09 11:43 AM
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Some Kalamazoo, MI churches withdraw homeless support over local anti-GLBT discrimination ordinance
Edited on Fri Dec-18-09 12:05 PM by racaulk
K’zoo Churches: we can’t be seen with tolerant Christians

Timothy Kincaid
December 17th, 2009

<---snip--->

Take as example a situation that is happening in Kalamazoo, MI. Eight churches had joined together to provide food for the homeless. They would provide food and religious support hoping to gradually draw the homeless back into society.

But then in June the city council of Kalamazoo voted to ban housing and employment discrimination against LGBT people. And some of the churches in Kalamazoo said, “Treat all God’s children with dignity? Yeah, I think we can get behind that.” But when the voters of Kalamazoo passed the non-discrimination ordinance with 62% of the vote, this became too much for some anti-gay ministers.

So they decided that they just couldn’t serve food to the homeless with someone who thought that gay people should not be, well, homeless. And because some of the other Martha’s Table participants supported the ordinance, then they took their ladles and went home.

<---snip--->

I marvel at the three who left. What, exactly, do they think faith, religion, and Christianity are all about? At this season, Christians speak of joy to the world, of peace on earth, of God’s love, of goodness, of kindness, of charity. How do they reconcile that with a decision to not feed the hungry because another church thinks that gay people shouldn’t be fired or evicted for being gay?

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Link: http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2009/12/17/18434


Edited to add:

On a related note (and a rant on my part), too often we hear that the only objection that some have against marriage equality is the word "marriage" itself. That these people are fine with gays and lesbians having all the rights and privileges of straight people, they just don't want the word marriage "corrupted."

Here is a case where one small city passed a local ordinance, by popular vote, to prevent discrimination against gays and lesbians in housing and employment -- an ordinance that had NOTHING to do with marriage equality -- and local religious figures object. And they're willing to use their support of the local homeless population, who desperately need all the support they can get, as a gambit because they apparently do not like being denied the "right" to fire and evict gay people at will.

Make no mistake about it, these people will settle for absolutely nothing less than no equal rights provisions for GLBT persons at all. In some cases around the world (as recently evidenced by the proposed legislation in Uganda and Rwanda), they don't even think we have a right to live. The argument that they're only interested in "saving marriage" is complete and utter bullshit, and needs to be vociferously countered and opposed at every opportunity.

:rant:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-18-09 11:59 AM
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murray hill farm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-18-09 12:13 PM
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2. Does it ever seem to you...
that "Christians" have be come the very "AntiChrist" that they so fear. Christianity today seems very anti christ to me.
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-18-09 12:46 PM
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4. Christ....
...and Christianity are mutually exclusive.




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murray hill farm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-18-09 09:19 PM
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13. Well...........
That says it all, doesn't it!! Whacko...and proud of it!
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RetiredTrotskyite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 12:37 AM
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14. Man, That Sign Unfortunately....
describes most fundamentalists perfectly.

I don't know how these people can sleep at night, having chosen to cease serving the homeless because they didn't want to do so if it meant serving with churches who don't condemn GLBTQ people. These people make me sick.
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HowHasItComeToThis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-18-09 12:52 PM
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5. TRULY SICK PEOPLE
Edited on Fri Dec-18-09 12:53 PM by HowHasItComeToThis
BUT THEY ARE THE ARROGANT MICHIGANGERS
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-18-09 03:02 PM
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9. I for one not only follow Christ's words concerning the homeless but also follow Him, so verily I
Edited on Fri Dec-18-09 03:21 PM by Divine Discontent
say unto you - don't include all of us with those hateful people.

Yes, a whole bunch of people in this world are vile - even people of 'faith'. And they are not a reflection of Christ, or whatever religion they choose to represent. But I agree with the bible verse you went and looked up, thank you for showing their hypocrisy.

But your post is intolerant towards many here who are not like those people.

Most every group that runs soup kitchens and people I've seen out helping the homeless have believers in their midst, or are a Christian group outright. I go by myself and don't like to affiliate directly with any one group, and I'm a Christian and I don't withhold anything from anyone that I'm bringing a blanket or something to eat.

So in not tolerating any Christians, you are insulting the churches fighting against these jerks, who DO follow Christ's commands to love one another as yourself, and find these arrogant & bigoted churches most disgusting.
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-18-09 04:55 PM
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11. 'christian" has become a code word for hateful bigot
and the so called good christians have to accept repsonsibility for allowing the wingnuts to take over their pulpits , while doing nothing.they should have been shut down a long time ago, now its too late you guys are a minority, a powerless one at that/ evil thrives when good men do nothing
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-18-09 12:32 PM
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3. To your rant edit -
That being the case, I think we should support any "all but 'marriage'" legislation. Make them put their cards on the table.

The polls have consistently said that the 'marriage' thing is the sticking point - that they support full equal rights, but don't want the word 'marriage' attached to those rights. By supporting the "all but 'marriage'" legislation we give them the chance to back up their words with action - if they back it, and it passes, it's a win for LGBT; if they refuse to back it, it exposes their hypocrisy making it a win for LGBT by demolishing that argument and clearing the air.

Just as the right has created a lose/lose scenario for the Democrats on healthcare reform, we can create a lose/lose scenario for the religiously insane on marriage equality.
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racaulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-18-09 01:08 PM
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7. I think you're right.
Edited on Fri Dec-18-09 01:13 PM by racaulk
We should keep pushing for marriage equality, but I think "all but marriage" legislation is worthwhile as well. Some rights are better than none, and we should take any gains where we can get them...as long as marriage equality is the ultimate goal. That's my view, at least.

As a resident of Georgia, trust me, I would LOVE for our state legislature to pass an "all but marriage" bill to be signed by our Governor, but that certainly will not be a reality for the foreseeable future.

We actually saw this in practice earlier this year in Washington state. The legislature passed an "all but marriage" law, and the religious right opposed it, saying it was a "stepping stone" in an effort to dilute marriage. They even gathered enough signatures to force a public vote on the matter, R-71. Thankfully they failed to stop the law from going into effect, but their efforts did serve to expose their hypocrisy. Either they support everything but marriage, or they don't. They can't have it both ways.

I think the case with the churches in Kalamazoo is just another case of their hypocrisy in action. It's just a shame that their local homeless population will suffer as a result.
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TriMera Donating Member (885 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-18-09 01:56 PM
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8. Ref 71
We've done the "Everything But Marriage" thing in Washington State and it resulted in a petition that created Referendum 71. We won on the ballot. However, I haven't seen any evidence that anyone has taken note of the hypocrisy except those who've known about it all along (the GLBT Community).
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-18-09 01:05 PM
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6. Jesus would be appalled.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-18-09 03:04 PM
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10. Oh, I'm sure He is! These people need stripped of their tax exempt status. The putrid actions are
too much to deal with, really.

This country, and primarily, the worst 'churches' are really becoming quite meddlesome in daily living with their rampant opinions of how they think everyone else should be.

Best to you, Hissyspit
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Meeker Morgan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 07:26 AM
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15. All churches, even "nice" ones, should not be tax exempt. n/t
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-18-09 06:07 PM
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12. There is no Christ in their Christianity
They know all about Leviticus and nothing of Luke. They can cite every misogynistic, anti-gay word uttered by Paul but not one affirming, forgiving word Jesus spoke. Why they bother to call themselves Christians I'll never know.
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