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Flammable Materials Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 10:13 AM
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Fred Phelps = Bush's "Willie Horton"?
The Democrats should have used Fred Phelps in anti-Bush ads, to show what the Republicans anti-gay agenda is like without the pleasant face and newspeak.

Actually, it could still be used. The first half of the ad could focus on Fred Phelps and the WBC, and the second half of the ad could focus on Jerry Falwell's comment that gays and lesbians "made God mad" and caused 9/11. The end tagline could point out that, in reality, there is no difference between "extremist" Fred Phelps, and "mainstream" Jerry Falwell and Bush's anti-gay agenda.

Can 527s still run ads outside of an election cycle? Are broadcasters obligated to run the ads?
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ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 10:15 AM
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1. Like I said in the other thread, it wouldn't work. Phelps is not a Bush
supporter, he has, in the past, handed out fliers saying Bush was going to hell for giving gays jobs in his administration.

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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 10:20 AM
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3. Was Willie Horton a Michael Dukakis supporter?
bush and his ilk, which includes phelps, hate homosexuals. His passing out pamphlets against bush does not make him a tax and spend liberal. I think the idea is a good one. falwell is nothing more than an immoral hater of human beings. Phelps and falwell and robertson etc are the face of the republican party.
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RoBear Donating Member (781 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 10:50 AM
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7. Phelps is a Democrat
Believe it or not! In the past he's run in the governor primary as a Democrat, a fact which has pissed me off royally, because he certainly does NOT represent my values! By the way, a sign at a recent demonstration in Wichita read "FAG US TROOPS." Wish there'd been a couple of the local fly-boys around!
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Flammable Materials Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 10:22 AM
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4. It doesn't matter.
You can use Fred Phelps to link to Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson, who have said basically the same things that Fred Phelps does. Jerry and Fred (and Bob Jones) are Friends of Bush, and represent a good percentage of Bush's constituency.

Fred can deny that he supports Bush just as much as Zell Miller can deny that he's a Republican. Doesn't matter. Fred Phelps is the ugly face of the extremist right that gets people's attention. Then you show that the WBC agenda and the Bush agenda are really one and the same.
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ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 10:30 AM
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5. It would backfire. The media would see to it.
The anti-Bush fliers from Phelps would be all over the place and show a lack of credibility in whoever made the accusation, the second anyone tried to make the link.

When Phelps has attacked Bush publicly, to try and link him to Bush is a losing proposition.
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Spiffarino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 10:19 AM
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2. I love the idea
Edited on Mon Nov-29-04 10:21 AM by Spiffarino
I'm sure BushCo would get out the nuke team (Coulter, Malkin, etc.) and claim we were being "mean" to their theo-wacko friends. I say do it anyway.

Most people would be disgusted by the hate and sheer insanity of the RW religious nuts, especially Phelps' rants and hate-filled screeds. And Jerry Falwell is such a pompous, self-righteous gasbag that he would create instant loathing among thinking individuals.

So I wonder who would do it? MoveOn maybe? How about a new organization - Moral Values Veterans for the Truth.

Edit: I really love your comment. Also, welcome (soon) to the four-digit club!
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zat Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 10:57 AM
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8. Phelps needs a Drano enema
then super glue a cork in there. Don't forget James Dobson or these asswipes either, Gary Bauer, president of American Families; Tony Campolo, president of the Evangelical Association for the Promotion of Education. :mad:
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DinahMoeHum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 10:31 AM
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6. I say go for it. Hang Phelps around Bush's neck like a rotting
chicken carcass around a dog's.

:evilgrin:
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 03:45 PM
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9. Log Cabin Republicans used Fred Phelps in TV Ad
Gay GOP group criticizes CNN's rejection of ad
By Mark Memmott, USA TODAY
NEW YORK — The largest organization of homosexual Republicans is objecting to CNN's decision not to air a TV ad that calls for "tolerance" from the GOP on gay issues.

CNN said Tuesday that it would run the ad if the group that produced it, the Log Cabin Republicans, removes one photo. That image, on screen for about two seconds at the end of the ad, shows Fred Phelps, an anti-homosexual Baptist minister, holding two signs that say "God Hates Fags" as he protested outside the funeral of Matthew Shepard. Shepard, a 21-year-old gay college student, was brutally murdered in Wyoming in October 1998.

The ad is running nationally this week on the Fox News Channel and on some local stations in New York during the Republican National Convention here. MSNBC also turned down the ad, because Buchanan is one of its paid analysts. The Log Cabin Republicans group is not objecting to that decision, Barron said.

see:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/president/2004-08-31-log-cabin-gop_x.htm

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Gay Green Donating Member (485 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-30-04 12:29 AM
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11. That USA Today Article was posted in August...
And POODLE C.N.N. refused to air the ad! What were they afraid of, that the fascist pig was going to sue??????
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-29-04 10:06 PM
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10. God Hates Fags... Photos And Links Here
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