oh well, this was our apex

[mitchtv]

I am sick and tired of it all. I will continue with Steve Pougnet's campaign to beat Mary Bono, and Prop 19's passage , then I'm out. Never will we see a repeal of Dadt, never an ENDA vote, Never a vote on the employee free choice act . Our majority was squandered by ineptitude and cowardice and no discipline to wayard Dems.This Gaytm is out of business.Thank you to our allies who did what they could.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

1. I think this vote was --

the "bone" thrown to liberals/LGBT to get them all fired up! about the upcoming election.

Maybe it's just me, but that "bone" had zero meat on it. :mad: :puke:

[cliffordu]

2. Goody. Now we get to stop working towards it??

NO progress is better than too little progress.

Right?

:eyes:

[mitchtv]

3. you can do what you want

I'm sick and tired of the BS, Besides none is none, R or D

[cliffordu]

5. I guess your donations here will stop, too.

Oh, wait.....

[mitchtv]

12. they stopped when DU became

unfriendly

[cliffordu]

16. Ah, well......

'Nuff said.

:rofl:

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[RaleighNCDUer]

6. This is not too little progress. This is retrograde progress.

Even if the dems do (as I suspect will happen) hang onto both houses, they will be weakened in both. The half-assed, compromised measures and outright failures of the first two years are the BEST we are going to see from this administration. From here out, it is all downhill.

This president was elected with the greatest majority of any president since Reagan and threw it all away by listening to the proven failures of the DLC. If he had insisted on putting up DADT in his first year, it would have passed with overwhelming public support - even the blue dogs were coasting on his coattails.

He allowed the DLC to shape his policies, got battered by the astroturf tea baggers, and now the Dems are playing defense - badly.

Where do you see progress in that?

[PVnRT]

23. Yeah, that's exactly what he said, fuckwit

[cliffordu]

25. what did he say?

Fuckwit??

:hurts:

[mitchtv]

34. I said I was sick and tired of the useless, spineless

dems and their chickenshit ways. Go to your bog and tell all who will listen how fierce a defender he's been I've felt it.I never mentioned him , but since you brought it up, go start a thread about it so I can join in and complain about Congress

[CreekDog]

29. stop chiding people

you don't know how de-motivating that is.

today featured an important loss and people will need to grieve it and figure out what comes next.

[cliffordu]

30. You are right.

I get annoyed at the level of vehemence and somewhat erroneous assumptions -

The prez didn't break his word, and this fight ain't over.

If this really WAS the apex, If THEY WON, then all we were waiting for was a handout, not a change in the law.

I get the feeling that the struggle is going to get harder.


it's the fucking congress that needs the real blame here, those worthless sniveling shits.

[mitchtv]

32. no we were waiting for a fight`

we were waiting for our strait allies to help.we got spineless wimps who believe in nothing. who rolled over and ran away.

[NJmaverick]

7. How about working to oust the Republicans that worked together in solidarity

to prevent the repeal of DADT?

[cliffordu]

8. Then there's that.

Please don't post any real solutions. It annoys the quitters.

[mitchtv]

14. wasting resources on Lincoln

that should help, oh wait

[kenny blankenship]

38. I'm all for making an example of her

She's in a close race, right? So, if she's going to turn up with a dagger in her back, let it be our name found etched into the handle. As a warning to the others.

Rewarding friends will always be a political necessity, but we cannot forget to punish enemies when needed, too. People will value your friendship much more and remember to be loyal friends, if they understand that it is not smart to make an enemy of you.

[PVnRT]

24. Yeah, there's a rallying cry

"Support us to keep things from getting any worse!"

[Sapphocrat]

36. OK, what's your plan for me?

I'm voting a straight Democratic ticket in November. I don't have much spare pocket change, but I've been donating a small amount to Jerry Brown every month (because his is the most important race in California, AFAIC, and I can't give to everyone). I haven't the time or money to go to this march on Washington. I'm not represented by any Republicans at the moment, so I have no one to complain at. The DNC is not getting a dime from me, because the GayTM at this house was shut a long time ago, and will remain that way. (Go ahead and scold me for that one if you want, but if you do, I'll understand you don't get it at all.)

Chronic sciatica prevents me from canvassing. I've done all the phonebanking I ever intend to do -- I am not a good phonebanker, because it depresses me and makes me want to run as far away from politics as possible.

I do blog against RW assholes, and when particularly angry, write letters to the editor.

What else do you expect me to do?

Really? What?

[cliffordu]

9. That's right. NONE of this matters:

hosted a reception for 300 LGBT activists at the White House to honor LGBT Pride

appointed more openly gay people to his administration than the last two combined, including the first ever transgender appointees

awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom to Harvey Milk and Billie Jean King

signed the Matthew Shepard and James Byrd, Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act

spoken out against LGBT discrimination at the National Prayer Breakfast

spoken out about repealing Don’t Ask/Don’t Tell in his first State of the Union Address

invited gay families to the Easter Egg Roll as part of the Obama administration's outreach to diverse communities

publicly invited shunned gay Mississippi high school prom student to the White House

extended the Family and Medical Leave Act to cover employees taking unpaid leave to care for the children of same-sex partners


 
It ain't much, but it's a start.

[mitchtv]

13. yeah, that Easter egg roll....

all things that will be erased come the next GOP admin.

[Prism]

17. Your list is a tribute to privileged cluelessness

It's not even that the list is patronizing - which it is - it's that it's cruel. You may as well wander through a gay neighborhood sporting a placard saying "I have no idea about your issues, and I couldn't care less!"

At least our Republican opposition is honest. With them, we can test our strength and political will in defeating their bigotry. But this kind of "ally" nonsense is worse, because it undercuts our community every step of the way. Whenever we try to get our war footing in the push for equality, these "allies" of ours start throwing banana peels on the ground.

Jesus Christ. A cocktail party? A mention in a speech or two? An EASTER EGG ROLL?! This is what you've padded your list with? This is what you're telling people fighting for their very civil rights they should be pleased with?

Shame on you. Shame on your privileged attitude and your comfort with our inequality and the squandering of the most powerful Democratic government in a generation.

Just stop it. Stop "helping" us. It's hurtful at this point.

Have you no decency at all?

[cliffordu]

18. Sorry I ain't buying your self pity, I don't give a flying fuck what you think of me.

How dare I?

Well....... I feel no need to justify my involvement in or my stances to you concerning the GLBT community.

Not one whit. You're nothing but a disjointed typist on a message board. Who can say who you really are?

This goes for me, too.

BUT: I will say that it's funny that I never see the hatred, the self pity or the complete lack of real advocacy among my friends as with some of the folks here who would set themselves up as the arbiters as what is truly solidarity or support of the gay community, and what is not.

Fuck me raw, some ass was in here claiming Anderson Cooper wasn't being gay enough because he lives a quiet life out, 24/7, but doesn't proselytize about it 24/7.


Whatever floats you boat with the name calling and the shame. I'll let my real life speak for me.

[Prism]

19. No, you don't give a flying fuck

You made that abundantly clear with your mindless, insulting list.

And on today of all days.

You don't need to tell me basic human empathy isn't a strong suit.

[cliffordu]

21. No. I don't do self pity....

"That was our apex"

Sniff.

Just self pity.......No offer to organize to unseat the scumbags that voted against it. NOT ONE FUCKING WORD.

But you just go ahead and stamp your little feet at me for posting a list of media events featuring GLBT community, as well as the appointments that he's made.

On today of all days. Sniff.

:eyes:

[cliffordu]

22. The today of all days list....

First: fuck Congress for that coward's vote today, but in the interest of accuracy and rage, here's a list of what Obama has done and said.




Hosted a reception for 300 LGBT activists at the White House to honor LGBT Pride, the first such event ever held at the WH  ... 
appointed more openly gay people to his administration than the last two combined, including the first ever transgender appointees  ... 
awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom to Harvey Milk and Billie Jean King  ... 
signed the Matthew Shepard and James Byrd, Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act  ... 
spoke out against LGBT discrimination at the National Prayer Breakfast  ... 
spoke out about repealing Don’t Ask/Don’t Tell in his first State of the Union Address  ... r r
released the first Presidential PRIDE proclamations since 2000  ... 
invited gay families to the Easter Egg Roll as part of the Obama administration's outreach to diverse communities  ... 
welcomed four gay couples to its first State Dinner  ... 
publicly invited shunned gay Mississippi high school prom student to the White House  ... 
convened the first-ever anti-bullying summit to craft a national strategy to reduce bullying in schools  ... 
reversed the US's position by signing the UN Declaration on Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity  ... 
successfully fought for UN accreditation of IGLHRC (the International Gay & Lesbian Human Rights Commission, against Republican attempts to block it  ...  extended benefits to same-sex partners of federal employees in 2009 and 2010  ... 
issued diplomatic passports, and provided other benefits, to the partners of same-sex foreign service employees  ... 
banned job discrimination based on gender identity throughout the Federal government (the nation's largest employer)  ... 
instructed HHS to require any hospital receiving Medicare or Medicaid funds (virtually all hospitals) to allow LGBT visitation rights ... 
extended the Ryan White HIV/AIDS program  ... 
issued a National HIV/AIDS Strategy praised as "long-overdue" by the Task Force, Lambda and others  ... 
eliminated the discriminatory Census Bureau policy that kept gay relationships from being counted, encouraging couples who consider themselves married to file that way, even if their state of residence does not yet permit legal marriage  ... 
produced U.S. Census Bureau PSAs featuring gay, lesbian, and transgender spokespersons  ... 
extended domestic violence protections to LGBT victims  ... 
extended the Family and Medical Leave Act to cover employees taking unpaid leave to care for the children of same-sex partners  ... 
required all grant applicants seeking HUD funding to comply with state and local anti-discrimination laws that protect LGBT individuals  ... 
issued guidance specifically to assist LGBT tenants denied housing on the basis of sexual orientation or gender identity........

What happened today is the fault of CONGRESS.

On today of all days.

[mitchtv]

33. no one (me ) said it was Obama's fault

I expected nothing from him, and coincidentally that's what we got.

[Arkana]

31. Yeah, at least our Republican opposition is honest!

Woo! Who's with me?! Let's all make sure more of THEM get into office!

And fine--if you don't want our help, that's fucking fine with me. The President stepped into a situation with two out-of-control wars, an economy in a death spiral, a party in power that can't keep its cats penned up, and an opposition who is more or less a solid block of NO--and you're pissed cause your pet issue wasn't addressed on day one.

No one was asking you to be content with the list that was presented--the person who posted it was merely asking you to recognize it.

And if you want patronizing you oughta read your post again. It's DRIPPING with arrogance and self-important bilge.

[mitchtv]

43. our "Pet issue"

Yes you are right we can do without your "help" ,you are no ally

[Sapphocrat]

35. If I hear about that fucking Easter Egg Roll again...

...I'm going to scream so loudly, I'll break the glass in the space station a la Ella Fitgerald.

Clifford, can you please -- PLEASE -- stop posting such meaningless lists and then chiding us for not falling on our faces in gratitude?

It's hard for me to comprehend that you don't understand, after all your years on DU, that none of this does matter, save for 1) the Family and Medical Leave Act (which is lovely for parents, but does nothing for the rest of us, and would be completely unnecessary if we had marriage), and 2) signing the Matthew Shepard Act, which any president in his right mind would do -- and was the final result of more than a decade of blood, sweat and tears by LGBT people, led by that tireless saint Judy Shepard.

The rest of it is all empty symbolism -- and by repeating these meaningless lists over and over again, all you're telling me is that you either really don't understand the real issues affecting LGBT Americans, or you do, but think you can shame us into thinking we're very stupid, selfish people.

Whatever the truth, you appear to be having fun scolding us as if we were idiot children. Really, you do.

And you're not helping. I don't know if you really want to help, or you're just pissed off at gays because we don't take anything from this administration at face value -- and, what? you feel compelled to some mission to yank us all in line?

The reality is that all you're doing is just beating us -- and morale is not improving.

Finally, your timing is really, really bad. Can't you wait even 24 hours for us to begin to try to recover from yet another hard slap across the face before you begin scolding us again? Can you manage that, even once?

Talk about demoralizing.

[terrya]

41. I don't know...I just expect a little more than some handed out "statement of support"

I guess I don't understand the White House's advocacy.

And none of us will be invited to some swanky East Room cocktail party. I don't even know what the point of listing that, since it has nothing do to with repealing DADT, repealing DOMA and passing ENDA and working towards our equality. But I'm glad Joe Solomonese gets to sip champagne in the White House. Good for Joe.

[joeybee12]

10. This "repeal" had numerous caveats...maybe it will be repealed IF and so on...

...and couldn't even get a vote on THAT!

[xchrom]

11. Recommend

[NMMNG]

15. Yay for Fierce Blabbocacy

[Neecy]

20. Sick...and tired...

Just came from Kos where the fanboys are gleeful about the vote today - yes, they think it gives Democrats a great 'campaign issue' and was a terrific 'tactic' for the upcoming midterms. They even think it's going to fire up the LGBT community to flock to the polls in droves in November...talk about clueless...

The fact is we were SCREAMING for this to be brought to a vote last year. LAST YEAR. Scott Brown's seat was still held by a Democrat and Lincoln wouldn't have dicked around with her vote because it was 7 weeks from election day.

Yes, what the Republicans did today was detestable - but I believe the blame also goes to the piss poor 'leadership' from the administration and the hapless, helpless Reid. We begged them to vote on this earlier, and were told to be patient...to not ask for ponies...and the vote was scheduled in the middle of midterm electioneering, when we're in a weaker position that we were in 2009. But we aren't supposed to be pissed, and in fact we're supposed to allow this massive failure to be carried as some kind of a banner in the midterms. Doesn't matter how many lives have been shattered by this policy, or that Obama won't even stop the discharges until this fucked-up matter somehow gets resolved.

[mitchtv]

26. per Biden to Rachel

there was a deal made with "someone" to not use stop loss in order to get the necessary votes. Well, Joey someone had your lunch today and you look like a fool as does your boss. Neecy, thanks, you said it better than I.

[CreekDog]

27. I'm frustrated and dismayed that the only hardball tactics played are against the liberals

thank you Rahm! :eyes:

i understand and share the frustration.

i'm dumbfounded that the Dems can be so tone deaf about many issues and also that they seem to forget that it's okay to play hardball to protect vulnerable people.

all that said, i still don't have better choices to vote for in November, not without a huge downside that is.

[mitchtv]

28. you don't have to go farther than this thread

to see that

[CreekDog]

40. if you want to make your OP true, then throw in the towel

i'll be up front with you and say that i'm not very sure things will get better because you stay involved...

but if you give up they definitely will not.

[David Zephyr]

37. First, I thank you for helping Steve Pougnet!

And, you will live to see DADT overturned. I believe it will happen this year, maybe in the lame duck congress, but it will.

Today was historic. The Democrats grew some spine and forced a vote on the issue. We had 57 (Reid's vote keeps it alive) Senators voting to kill this thing. That's the big story. It only takes 51 or 50 with Biden once on the floor. But today, 57 Senators voted to kill it.

mitchtv, they are losing. The GOP's voter base is dying off. The demographics are tidal against them. Today, these Senators were dragged to vote their bigotry. What amazes me is that we had 57 support killing DADT. Take some heart in that.

And, again, thank you for your help to get Mary Bono out of Congress. I think you rock. :)

[mitchtv]

42. did you know Steve is on the Red to blue list

we are being deluged by anti Bono ads. more con than pro this is a historic first. Her campaign seems rudderless

[David Zephyr]

44. You just made my heart leap, mitchtv, with that news.

:applause:

[complain jane]

39. is it just me or

is it obvious to anyone else that gay issues are nothing but a political football to be tossed around a election time in the hopes of scaring up votes/fundraising?

Both parties are guilty of it.