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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 11:16 AM Original message |
When Bill Clinton was President, I was a kid-young adult |
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DURHAM D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 11:30 AM Response to Original message |
1. I was and am a liberal. I am an old liberal. |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 11:32 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. first of all, you have no way of judging people i know |
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DURHAM D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 11:36 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Nice language. |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 11:38 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Yeah, i know that. I post here often. |
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DURHAM D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 11:43 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. I don't intend to engage you further. |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 11:45 AM Response to Reply #5 |
6. sure. whatever. |
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MNBrewer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 01:04 PM Response to Reply #1 |
8. His STUNNING betrayal on DOMA was the last straw for me |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 01:28 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. When you work with queer poc, his welfare reform is not well regarded eiher |
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MNBrewer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 01:05 PM Response to Reply #1 |
9. Remember DOMA? |
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DURHAM D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 03:02 PM Response to Reply #9 |
18. Sure - do you in real time? |
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MNBrewer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 03:41 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. How involved were you at the time in movement politics? |
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MNBrewer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-08-10 11:59 PM Response to Reply #18 |
38. Have you recalled which GLBT advocacy groups advised him to sign DOMA yet? |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 03:10 PM Response to Reply #1 |
19. Your recollection differs from mine, esp. with regard to DADT. |
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DURHAM D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 04:30 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. Really? |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 04:41 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. Many GLBT people felt that he folded WAY too soon. |
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DURHAM D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 06:26 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. From the other wiki. |
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MNBrewer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 06:35 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. This portion of the wiki article is unreferenced |
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DURHAM D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 07:17 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. Well, I remember it well. |
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MNBrewer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 07:38 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. No, that doesn't count |
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MNBrewer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 05:39 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. The way I remember it is |
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Creideiki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 11:00 PM Response to Reply #1 |
37. Logical fallacy |
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Rageneau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 12:58 PM Response to Original message |
7. Clinton was the best president of my lifetime ... and I'm old. |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 01:11 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. I think bill will be the best one in my life too but that doesn't say all that much. |
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disillusioned73 (963 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 02:02 PM Response to Original message |
12. I am right there with you.. |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 02:04 PM Response to Original message |
13. That means I am a bit older than you. The first president I recall was Nixon. |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 02:11 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. I think you are right. However watching Obama has made me less forgiving of clinton |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 02:30 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. I'm not sure I understand quite what you are saying - do you mean, |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 02:32 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. Not bad faith or I'll intent, just not enough good intent. |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 02:39 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. Exactly. He's got his millions, he's set for life, no matter whether he's re-elected. |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 09:46 PM Response to Reply #17 |
28. Negotiating strategy assumes the other side is willing to negotiate. |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 10:01 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. I know what you're saying, and sometimes that's true, but |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 10:18 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. Clinton was up against a lot less opposition than Obama is. |
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MNBrewer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 10:16 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. Then it was merely blackmail, not a negotiation. |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 10:20 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. Pretty much. |
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MNBrewer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-10 10:33 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. That's because we have to overcome our conservative Dems who vote to block out goals |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 10:54 AM Response to Reply #33 |
34. I would take a conservative Dem over a Republican any day of the week and twice on Sundays. |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 11:31 AM Response to Reply #28 |
35. no it doesn't. no one negotiates with a weak partner. |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-10 09:52 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. The Republicans aren't negotiating. |
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Green_Lantern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 05:18 PM Response to Original message |
39. I'm the opposite on Clinton.. |
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HockeyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-10-10 06:39 PM Response to Original message |
40. Maybe Bernie Sanders would be the best |
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