Was Wellstone correct: Fundies and Nazi's share hate speech?

[bluedawg12]

Hate speech and scape goating against a select and distinct minority are not new entities on the political horizon or the world stage.

Indeed, many similarities exist in tactics, strategy, language and philosophy between those who, today, scapegoat gays and assault them in public forums and on the media and other more well known and well practiced scape-goaters such as the Nazi party of the world war II era.

What is so alarming is the intensity, bold faced openness, and casual acceptance of homophobic hate speakers who gain public tolerance and in many cases a winking acceptance in the name of “patriotism,” “family values,” and “morality.”

These hate mongers are well funded and have been plying their agenda for over a decade- behind the scenes, in front of congress, in church lecture halls,on talk radio shows, and in written propaganda. The volume of this message is so staggering that even if the most blatant lies are disregarded the more subtle forms of bigotry seep into cultural thinking like acid and sear and corrupt the hearts of good and fair Americans.

The first step in dealing with this pernicious hate and bigotry is admitting it exists and understanding it’s true depth and perniciousness.

The second step is self education. Understanding their message in order to counter the lies and knowing who the players are in order to expose them and hold them accountable to a moderate, and generally fair and open minded nation.

Here is a site that compares today’s anti-gay scape-goating purveyors of fear and the anti-gay rhetoric and ideology of the Third Reich also known for it’s self righteous persecution of innocent people and for spending enormous time and resources on exterminating and isolating certain segments of society.

You decide- is there a similarity?

Are you surprised that certain elements form this bigoted political action group appeared in front of congress with a clear anti-gay agenda?

Are you surprised that it goes back as far as 1994?

How much money do you think this fear mongering brings into their coffers?

How many votes does it get them?

Can someone show me where in the New Testament Christ spoke about persecuting gays and espoused intolerance?

Does anyone who quotes Leviticus and the Mosaic law against homosexuality not remember that Jesus brought a new message of love and tolerance and that the New Testament is an answer and a new era following the Old Testament?The God of fire and brim stone was replaced by the God of love.
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http://www.hatecrime.org/subpages/hitler/hitler.html

Nazi Anti-Jewish Speech
VS.
Religious Right Anti-Gay Speech

[whatever4]

1. Nazi's also targeted intellectuals

As I recall history, academics were right in there with the groups attacked, so they parallel the nazis in that regard too. Targeting homosexuals and intellectuals. And they also embraced religion. The pope had a swastika on his robe; they were supported by the Church. The similarities never end, and I'm thinking, never will.

[bluedawg12]

3. The Nazi's were a religion and shunned X-tianity

because Christ was a Jew.

Hitler was a demi-god.

Today, we are being encouraged to walk lock step into an abyss of radical right wing inspired, form of twisted and intolerant X-tianity.

The Nazi's were mystical, superstitious and relied on nordic and tuetonic myths to give them supernatural credibilty.

Today the good book and Jesus Christ are used to gain political power not moral and ethical growth and advancement. They have made faith petty, mean, money grubbing, political and intolerant. I am reminded of the money changers on the steps of the temple and how Jesus delt with them- the one time he lost his patience and cast them out.

[whatever4]

7. Yes, but I saw a documentary on the Nazis

And I saw the pope with the swastika on his robe, as well as the cross on the uniforms of some of the nazis. Tey had a lot of old footage and pictures. They used religion too, just like these monsters are doing now.

Not that I'm arguing with you, in that, I certainly don't mean to say or imply they were, or tried to be, sincere in their Christian convictions. I merely point out they spent some time using it the same way, and even had the Pope on their side. For at time.

I actually miss John Paul now. Yeah, I know, I'm rather foolish.

[kweerwolf]

2. Thanks for the link

The site really helps to point out how similar the Nazis' goal of eradicating "undesirables" and the fun-D'uh-MENTAL-ists' goal of "culture war" really are.

[HereSince1628]

4. Conservatives find comfort in strong definitions of US and THEM

Nazism and religious fundamentalism aren't the same, but because they are both conservative they share this trait.

Conservative hate ambiguity and find intolerance to be a righteous manifestation of authority.

[firefox]

5. OxyRush

Somebody had a thread yesterday where they stated that Rush said on his program that he wanted to destroy the Democrats and the only way to do that was with hate and to do that he had to lie. One comment put hopes on Mike Malloy putting it on his show.

I wish I had the link handy, but I feel like that statement will surface again with a possible audio link.

[bluedawg12]

8. What did morality czar Bennet say about aborting black babies

last week?

You now- "theoretically" how do you lower crime?
By aborting every black baby before it is born- that, according to gambling addict Bennett would reduce crime: theoretically.

But in code: it's genocide he is alluding to.

And some fools will remember this as a real solution and long for it.

These corrupt and immoral individuals need to be exposed, hounded, and ridiculed out of existence in public life, they should be sued for defamation whenever possible.

[bluedawg12]

6. Conservatives want to keep the status quo

as they define it.

White, middle class America, circa 1958.

Ozzie and harriet mom and dad. They long for an era that never existed except on Mayberry RFD- and forget that Gomer Pyle live there too! LOL.

They ignore the realities of diversity, racial, religious, and cultural and the more things change the more the politician power grubbers play on the fear of the middle segment in order to gain power and money.

If gays did not exist where the heck would all of these radicalrightwingnuts go for fame and exposure and an audience?

Would they be so powerful and wealthy if they simply preached love, tolerance, a respect for God's natural world and the creatures with in it? Would they appear before Congress if they weren't motivated by sensationalism and fantastic claims and scape goating, if they were really out to help people- by speaking out against poverty, illiteracy, domestic violence, violence against women?

Where are these hypocrites today- surely they can't blame the daily disappearance and murder of women, pregnant women, teen age girls on gays?

It's easier for these blow hards to conflate society's ill's with the wrong actors.

Oh yes, indeedy, society has some serious ills.

But, they misdirect people onto gays and then the public displaces their anger onto the innocents in society- because it's so much easier than actually solving the problems at their root causes.

Anti-gay rhetoric drives in the money.

We need pro-gay lawyers to litigate these defamers out of existence.

[peacetalksforall]

9. Can I mention a nuance that I'm noticing? SOUTH-WEST ASIA?

What is up with that. For years, we have called the area at the far end of the Mediterraneans - Middle East. Now Cheney and some of the journalists ae calling it Asia? Is that supposed to dredge up hate for the Viet-Cong? Cummunists China? Japan? It is backwards. Yes, mainland Turkey is the beginning of Asia, but who else calls it South-West Asia? Is that how Bahranians Saudi Arabians or Israelis refer to their geological location?

If it's only us calling it SOUTHWEST Asia - what could be the reason - if it's Cheney and the others, it is evil and meant the confuse.

[bluedawg12]

10. They are cunning with the use of language

and they use terms to evoke feelings as much as ideas, so you may be on the money with their carefully considered geographical terminology.

Please note they rarely say gay, but hasten to say "sodomite" switching an adjective to a verb is it?

Gay sounds happy- sodomite sounds Biblical, sinful, and evokes anatomic pictures. Heterosexuals are not called fornicators or copulators are they?