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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-09-11 03:31 AM Original message |
Back to the Basics: What is "homophobia?" |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-09-11 04:05 AM Response to Original message |
1. Back in 2003, I had gay friends who thought it would be more |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-09-11 04:38 AM Response to Reply #1 |
4. A swing and a miss. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-09-11 04:52 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. But you're quoting from comments in 2003 and 2004. |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-09-11 04:54 AM Response to Reply #5 |
6. They are examples. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-09-11 04:56 AM Response to Reply #6 |
7. Why was it a "ploy" to have thought that civil unions should be the focus |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-09-11 05:06 AM Response to Reply #7 |
8. Pandering. Look it up. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-09-11 01:46 PM Response to Reply #8 |
26. No, it was advocating for one step at a time, |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-09-11 01:51 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. Your "question" about England was a strawman. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-09-11 01:53 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. In your opinion, but you don't speak for every gay person in the U.S. |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-09-11 01:55 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. And another logical fallacy pops up. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-09-11 01:59 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. You're the expert in the practice of logical fallacies |
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dipsydoodle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-09-11 02:11 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. Its well worth remembering |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-09-11 02:52 PM Response to Reply #32 |
39. And another one. Seems the "expert" here is you. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-09-11 04:17 PM Response to Reply #39 |
46. You obviously don't know the meaning of the term. |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-09-11 06:09 PM Response to Reply #46 |
55. Apparently, google de-friended you, otherwise you'd know the definitions. |
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dipsydoodle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-09-11 07:01 AM Response to Reply #4 |
9. You just hit the nail on the head |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-09-11 12:11 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. I think you just hit the nail on the head, but don't even realize it. |
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FreeState (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-09-11 12:27 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. Because it's being used as a position of authority asserting that the GLBT persons opinions are not |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-09-11 12:58 PM Response to Reply #12 |
22. well said. nt |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-09-11 01:49 PM Response to Reply #12 |
27. Why is it homophobic to say that not all gay people have had a uniform |
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FreeState (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-09-11 02:33 PM Response to Reply #27 |
35. It's not - but to prop your position up by stating you have GLBT friends or relatives is |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-09-11 07:29 PM Response to Reply #35 |
63. I never insisted that GLBT's go after only civil unions. |
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FreeState (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-09-11 10:32 PM Response to Reply #63 |
64. Very few gay people support civil unions as a path to marriage equality |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 07:11 AM Response to Reply #64 |
65. I agree that's true today |
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Creideiki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 02:21 PM Response to Reply #27 |
68. Not all African Americans held a uniform opinion toward civil rights in the 50s and 60s |
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Cronus Protagonist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-09-11 04:16 AM Response to Original message |
2. Homophobia is a fear of your own homosexuality |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-09-11 04:22 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Actually, that is "internalized homophobia." |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-09-11 12:38 PM Response to Reply #2 |
13. yeah, its why everyone's grandfather is a homophobe. |
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Cronus Protagonist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-09-11 04:06 PM Response to Reply #13 |
43. Mine isn't |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-09-11 04:49 PM Response to Reply #43 |
49. LOL. read the stats on anti-gay feelings of people in their 70's |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-09-11 10:21 AM Response to Original message |
10. For years, gay people seem to have grown fearful of the term "homophobia" |
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Meldread (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-09-11 02:30 PM Response to Reply #10 |
34. I stopped using the word homophobia. |
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Cronus Protagonist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-09-11 04:16 PM Response to Reply #34 |
45. Me too - "homophobia" is tossed around by too many unqualified armchair psych majors |
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dipsydoodle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-09-11 05:19 PM Response to Reply #34 |
52. btw |
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Meldread (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 02:05 PM Response to Reply #52 |
67. Learn something new everyday! |
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Creideiki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 02:28 PM Response to Reply #52 |
69. This post has been brought to you by the Letters "D", "C", and the Tu Quoque Logical Fallacy |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-09-11 06:34 PM Response to Reply #34 |
59. That's actually a really great line of reasoning for it. |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 11:33 PM Response to Reply #10 |
71. It is very annoying. |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-11-11 02:24 AM Response to Reply #71 |
73. +1 |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-09-11 12:38 PM Response to Original message |
14. this is being unreced? nt |
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FreeState (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-09-11 12:49 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. Yep |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-09-11 12:52 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. huh. -- color me surprised. nt |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-09-11 12:48 PM Response to Original message |
15. the actual problem isn't so much homophobia but aversive homophobia |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-09-11 12:53 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. This post deserves to be Kicked and Recced all on its own. |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-09-11 12:54 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. thanks |
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FreeState (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-09-11 12:56 PM Response to Reply #15 |
20. homonegativity |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-09-11 12:57 PM Response to Reply #20 |
21. not my term, i think morrison and morrison created it |
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Cronus Protagonist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-09-11 04:18 PM Response to Reply #20 |
47. I'm going to start making that word part of ordinary conversation |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-09-11 01:02 PM Response to Reply #15 |
23. See? We can't even agree on the type of homophobia that's the problem. |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-09-11 01:33 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. not books, journal articles |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-09-11 01:40 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. Thanks. |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-09-11 01:51 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. pm me your email address and i can send them to you |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 11:36 PM Response to Reply #28 |
72. Thanks for the offer. Check your PMs. |
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mitchtv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-09-11 02:43 PM Response to Reply #15 |
37. Good post |
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mitchtv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-09-11 02:35 PM Response to Original message |
36. I am not finished , I'm speechless |
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The Philosopher (621 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-09-11 02:46 PM Response to Original message |
38. My thoughts: |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-09-11 03:35 PM Response to Reply #38 |
40. self delete. |
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louslobbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-09-11 03:46 PM Response to Reply #38 |
42. Ok, now that I'll buy, thanks for the comment. |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-09-11 03:36 PM Response to Original message |
41. Oy vey. |
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Canuckistanian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-09-11 04:09 PM Response to Original message |
44. It literally means "fear of being the same" |
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Cronus Protagonist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-09-11 04:20 PM Response to Reply #44 |
48. That is correct |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-09-11 04:53 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. "Weinberg is credited to have coined the term homophobia, |
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dipsydoodle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-09-11 05:50 PM Response to Reply #50 |
54. His first use of the word appears to have been in a different context. |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-09-11 04:55 PM Response to Reply #44 |
51. you're wrong. not about the roots but about the actual meaning of the word |
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FreeState (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-09-11 05:21 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. +1 |
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mitchtv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-09-11 06:20 PM Response to Reply #53 |
57. +1 |
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Canuckistanian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-09-11 06:46 PM Response to Reply #51 |
62. That's fine |
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La Lioness Priyanka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 11:15 AM Response to Reply #62 |
66. no. your root word definitions are correct, but even from a strict linguistic POV |
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Smarmie Doofus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-09-11 06:11 PM Response to Reply #44 |
56. Language evolves. We all know what it means now. nt |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-09-11 06:31 PM Response to Reply #56 |
58. That doesn't stop people from pretending it doesn't exist. n/t |
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Canuckistanian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-09-11 06:44 PM Response to Reply #56 |
61. Well, it's like "anti-semite" |
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Smarmie Doofus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-09-11 06:34 PM Response to Original message |
60. Hmmm. Is it better to delete these kinds of posts or to *refute* them? |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-10-11 11:22 PM Response to Original message |
70. Homophobia: The Fear Behind The Hatred |
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