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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-04-06 11:58 PM
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what are "gay rights" anyway?
(mods, if this is a dupe, please feel free to delete) This was on one of my other boards, and, although it is probably a dupe, I thought it worth printing (going to send a copy to dobson and haggard, too):

This is a letter from a mother of a gay son living in Vermont, and her response to anti-gay harrassment in her state...as a new year begins in which gay and lesbian people are still second-class citizens in Australia and many states of the USA, this is a timely reminder of how far there is to go.

(I don't know how to truncate this because I got it from an email with no link; sorry if I've broken any rules...)

"Many letters have been sent to the Valley News concerning the homosexual menace in Vermont. I am the mother of a gay son and I've taken enough from you good people. I'm tired of your foolish rhetoric about the "homosexual agenda" and your allegations that accepting homosexuality is the same thing as advocating sex with children. You are cruel and ignorant. You have been robbing me of the joys of motherhood ever since my children were tiny.

My firstborn son started suffering at the hands of the moral little thugs from your moral, upright families from the time he was in the first grade. He was physically and verbally abused from first grade straight through high school because he was perceived to be gay. He never professed to be gay or had any association with anything gay, but he had the misfortune not to walk or have gestures like the other boys. He was called "fag" incessantly, starting when he was 6.

In high school, while your children were doing what kids that age should be doing, mine labored over a suicide note, drafting and redrafting it to be sure his family knew how much he loved them. My sobbing 17-year-old tore the heart out of me as he choked out that he just couldn't bear to continue
living any longer, that he didn't want to be gay and that he couldn't face a life without dignity.

You have the audacity to talk about protecting families and children from the homosexual menace,
while you yourselves tear apart families and drive children to despair. I don't know why my son is gay, but I do know that God didn't put him, and millions like him, on this Earth to give you someone to abuse. God gave you brains so that you could think, and it's about time you started doing that.

At the core of all your misguided beliefs is the belief that this could never happen to you, that there is some kind of subculture out there that people have chosen to join. The fact is that if it can happen to my family, it can happen to yours, and you won't get to choose. Whether it is genetic or whether something occurs during a critical time of fetal development, I don't know. I can only tell
you with an absolute certainty that it is inborn.

If you want to tout your own morality, you'd best come up with something more substantive than your heterosexuality. You did nothing to earn it; it was given to you. If you disagree, I would be interested in hearing your story, because my own heterosexuality was a blessing I received with no effort whatsoever on my part. It is so woven into the very soul of me that nothing could ever change
it. For those of you who reduce sexual orientation to a simple choice, a character issue, a bad habit or something that can be changed by a 10-step program, I'm puzzled. Are you saying that your own sexual orientation is nothing more than something you have chosen, that you could change it at will? If that's not the case, then why would you suggest that someone else can?

A popular theme in your letters is that Vermont has been infiltrated by outsiders. Both sides of my family have lived in Vermont for generations. I am heart and soul a Vermonter, so I'll thank you to stop saying that you are speaking for "true Vermonters."

You invoke the memory of the brave people who have fought on the battlefield for this great country, saying that they didn't give their lives so that the "homosexual agenda" could tear down the principles they died defending. My 83-year-old father fought in some of the most horrific battles of World War II, was wounded and awarded the Purple Heart. He shakes his head in sadness at the life his grandson has had to live. He says he fought alongside homosexuals in those battles, that they did their part and bothered no one. One of his best friends in the service was gay, and he never knew it until the end, and when he did find out, it mattered not at all. That wasn't the measure of the man.

You religious folk just can't bear the thought that as my son emerges from the hell that was his childhood he might like to find a lifelong companion and have a measure of happiness. It offends your sensibilities that he should request the right to visit that companion in the hospital, to make medical decisions for him or to benefit from tax laws governing inheritance. How dare he? you say. These outrageous requests would threaten the very existence of your family, would undermine the sanctity of marriage. You use religion to abdicate your responsibility to be thinking human beings. There are vast numbers of religious people who find your attitudes repugnant. God is not for the
privileged majority, and God knows my son has committed no sin.

The deep-thinking author of a letter to the April 12 Valley News who lectures about homosexual sin and tells us about "those of us who have been blessed with the benefits of a religious upbringing" asks: "What ever happened to the idea of striving . . . to be better human beings than we are?"

Indeed, sir, what ever happened to that? "

__________________________________________________________

If you believe that homosexuals deserve the same rights as everyone else, repost this, and be thankful that there are people like this mother, because without them, where would we be?

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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 12:02 AM
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1. Appreciate this.
Thanks for posting it.
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 12:09 AM
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3. you are most welcome-- I wanted to cry when I read it. by the way,
I just looked at your website--it is wonderful--I will have to spend a lot of time there.
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NI4NI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 01:00 AM
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7. Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness
no matter who you love.
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GrumpyGreg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 12:04 AM
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2. A beautiful,heartbreaking letter. Thanks for posting it.
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 12:11 AM
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4. you are most welcome. it is indeed heartbreaking. I cannot understand
the people who prat about homosexuality being a CHOICE. what sane person would CHOOSE to experience the hatred and violence inflicted on gays by the so-called "christians"?
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GrumpyGreg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 12:17 AM
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5. You will never,ever, get through some of the closed minds out there.
I was quite surprised that this happened in Vermont which I,as a New Englander,consider a fairly enlightened state.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 12:18 AM
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6. Good letter. Gay rights is simple.
Gay rights is just simply not letting someone's sexual orientation interfere with their rights as a human. It just frosts my cupcakes to hear someone go on about gay rights=pedophilia and I resent having to point out again and again and again that this is so totally confusing problems and gay rights is such a simple issue.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 02:02 AM
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8. "Gay rights" are the product of stupid people.
The Constitution states that ALL men are created equal. Unfortunately, some people need to be told that this includes blacks and Jews and women and gays. It shouldn't even be necessary to make the distinction.

BTW, this is what I tell people who whine about gays wanting "special rights".
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 06:14 AM
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9. Gay Rights are human rights
And something we should not still have to be fighting for in this allegedly enlightened age.
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 10:50 AM
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11. exactly - legally speaking,
there is no such thing as "gay". There is same-sex, which doesn't necessarily refer to homosexuality, and sexual orientation which also doesn't necessarily refer to homosexuality, when laws are drafted.

And why would that be? Because "gay" is not clearly defined. Having sex with someone of the same sex doesn't necessarily make you gay any more than a gay guy having sex with a woman makes him straight. Answering it on a questionnaire doesn't prove you're gay. Living with someone of the opposite sex doesn't make you straight. Some people claim to be formerly straight or formerly gay. That means it's not something that everyone IS always, all the time.

Until some mythical day when we can just test you with a special marker and put it on your driver's license like your eye color, IT'S IRRELEVANT.

There is no such thing as "gay" rights.

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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-05-06 07:52 AM
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10. i've read this before -- it was wonderful then --
and it's wonderful now.
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