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kweerwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 07:39 PM
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Gay student says college expelled him over conduct
An openly gay student at John Brown University says he was dismissed from the school earlier this month for violating campus lifestyle guidelines related to his sexual orientation and for material found in his online journals.

Michael Guinn, 22, said he was dismissed from the school on Jan. 13 after meeting with John Brown University administrators.

Guinn said he became a Christian two years ago and chose to attend the university last fall because it’s in his hometown, and because he admired the unique bond the administration had with the student body and because, as the son of a faculty member, his tuition would be free. Guinn’s father, Gary M. Guinn, is an English professor and his mother, Mary Ann Guinn, is the campus nurse, he said.

John Brown University, a private Christian liberal arts university, requires students to agree to behavioral codes, including a promise not to smoke, drink, have sex outside of marriage or gamble while attending the school. Guinn said the administration asked him to adhere to additional behavioral codes not required of other students because he said he is gay and that he ultimately was dismissed from the university on the grounds that he violated that agreement.

http://www.nwarktimes.com/adg/News/143717/
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Journeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 07:51 PM
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1. Don't know what to say -- he went because it was free. . .
and they kicked him out 'cause he wouldn't follow some idiotic rules -- and this at a private college that seems geared to forcing everyone to live within idiotic rules. He should consider it lessons well worth what he paid and go earn his degree elsewhere. I think he'll be happier if he does. . .
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 07:53 PM
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2. Everytime a gay gets expelled from a Christian school, a Unitarian is born
When they made him agree to a "special code" for gay people, did any red flags go up?
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 10:44 PM
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5. I was wondering what kind of KKKhristian
he became. He should have known better
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boobooday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 07:54 PM
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3. I work with college students
I think that behavorial code is cruel and unusual punishment to inflict on 18-22 year-olds.

The school was free for him -- that's good. I hate to think he'd pay to go to such a place.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 07:37 AM
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6. He got what he paid for, I guess. n/t
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Poppyseedman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-25-06 08:09 PM
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4. Michael Guinn just learned a real good lesson
John Brown University is a private, Christian university. They can admit and dismiss anybody they want to basically for any reason.

Conformity sucks if you are outside the norms in your situation. He gave up a free education because he would not or could not conform to the schools behavior codes.

The only thing that is a concern: Are the behavior codes being applied evenly across the campus, if not, he has a case to sue.
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-29-06 02:19 AM
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8. Great. I'm going to create a private school that excludes Christians.
I can be a free-market libertarian, too. Fun.
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gator_in_Ontario Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-28-06 03:58 PM
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7. I am a bit of a libertarian
If you don't like the clauses, don't sign. There was a recent thing here and the christians claimed "discrimination". NO, they had each signed an agreement against "meetings".
Read it before you sign it!
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