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Sapphocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 04:27 PM
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I'm glad Mel Gibson finally revealed himself as an anti-Semite.
(Yes, this is a "gay" post. Bear with me.)

Granted, we've known all along that Mel Gibson has no love for Jews, but now he's finally confirmed everything everyone ever suspected, in a way no one can deny.

(Memo to Mel: Nobody's buying your half-assed non-apology: "I acted like a person completely out of control when I was arrested, and said things that I do not believe to be true and which are despicable." Don't give me that. Everyone knows booze only loosens inhibitions, and that's when one's real thoughts and feelings break through. Haven't you ever heard the old saying? "When the drink goes in, the truth comes out.")

So I'm glad Gibson said all those nasty things to the cops, and I'm glad somebody leaked the unredacted police report. I'm glad people are finally seeing his true colors.

I have always detested everything Mel Gibson has ever stood for (don't anyone try to convince me he's a good Catholic; as a recovering Rosary-rattler myself, I'm still a better Catholic now than he's ever been), and it positively galls me to see people making him even richer with every movie ticket and DVD purchase they make. I'd rather sit through a week-long Arnold Schwarzenegger filmfest than ever again lay eyes on that hateful, homophobic, Jew-hating, pseudo-Australian torture fetishist. (Yes, I boycott Schwarzenegger, too, even though Ah-nold, despite his incurable misogyny and still too-close-for-comfort ties to Nazism, is practically palatable compared to Gibson.)

I hope this kills Gibson's career. I don't expect it will, but I hope it does. No, I'm really not experiencing Schadenfreude; more than anything else, I feel relief that his thinly-disguised hatred of Jews is finally out in the open, and people can no longer make excuses for him.

Now, here's the thing: I'm also sad and angry that this is what it took to disgrace him.

Allow me to digress.

We all know who Fred Phelps is. And we all know that psychotic freak and his equally psychotic family have been picketing the funerals of gay people since the early 1990s -- and were picketing gay gatherings since at least 1991. (And does anybody remember the "monument" he wanted to erect in Casper, WY, stating that Matthew Shepard was roasting in hell for being gay?)

But very few outside the gay community cared much about what Phelps was doing until he and his deluded spawn started picketing the funerals of U.S. soldiers (the "logic" being that God is killing G.I.'s in Iraq because America is too lenient with us nasty fags & dykes).

Only then did our elected representatives step in and decide to put a stop to such demonstrations.*

AP, 2/6/06: "Legislation is being considered in at least 14 states, and several of the bills moving quickly, with backing from legislative leaders and governors.

"'We’re not proposing to silence the speech of the Westboro Baptist Church, as offensive as most of us find that,' said Kansas Senate Majority Leader Derek Schmidt, a Republican. Instead, he said, he is trying to achieve a balance that respects 'the rights of families to bury their dead in peace.'"

BBC, 5/26/06: "On Wednesday, Congress approved legislation barring demonstrators from disrupting military funerals at national cemeteries. ...

"So far, nine states have approved laws that impose restrictions on demonstrations at funerals and burials. More than 20 other states are considering similar legislation.

"The Respect for America's Fallen Heroes Act passed by both houses of Congress on Wednesday now only needs President George W Bush's signature.

"It would bar protests within 90 metres (300 feet) of the entrance of national cemeteries, including Arlington, outside Washington DC, and within 45 metres (150 feet) of a road into the cemetery from an hour before to an hour after a funeral."

I think by now you know what I'm about to say: Why didn't anyone care when Phelps' filth was limited to gay funerals?

Why didn't anyone in a position of power "respect the rights of families to bury their dead in peace" when the dead were just a bunch of fags?**

And so we turn to Mel Gibson and his now-undeniable anti-semitism -- and to my next obvious question:

Why didn't anyone care that Gibson has a history of verbally bashing gay people?

Why did it take an attack on Jews to make people see that he's a hater?

Believe me, nothing would give me greater pleasure than to personally deliver a hard kick in the nuts to anyone who says, "Fucking Jews... The Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world."

But in truth, that's the worst thing he's ever said openly about Jews -- despite his apologia for his Holocaust-denying father, despite his cinematic portrayal of Jews in "Passion of the Christ" as (to paraphrase Loretta Haggers in "Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman") "the people what killed our Lord," despite all the dodging, the weaving, the ducking.

Oh, it's horrible, what he said; there's no denying that. And he's never said anything like "Fucking fags... The queers are responsible for all the AIDS in the world."

But there's also no denying that Gibson is a homophobe of the first water, and always has been.

Now, listen: I am not playing the "my persecution is worse than yours" victim game. As far as I'm concerned, all persecution is equal; when you're the one getting lynched, or burned at the stake, or herded into a gas chamber, your victimhood is 100%. And it doesn't matter if you're gay, or Jewish, or black, or even an Australian in the wrong place at the wrong time when a bomb goes off in an Indonesian pub. You're just as dead as everyone else, and your family is just as destroyed as any other.

You could argue that Jewish persecution has occurred on a larger scale, and you'd be right; e.g., the Nazis gassed some 6 million Jews, and "only" about a million male homosexuals. But persecution is persecution, and dead is dead is dead.

Matt Shepard is just as dead as Anne Frank.

Anne Frank is just as dead as Emmett Till.

Emmett Till is just as dead as Brandon Teena.

And only by the grace of God (or providence) is that 17-year-old Texas boy not as dead as any of them.

Dead is dead is dead.

And hate is hate is hate. And while I can fathom the many reasons for it, I don't think I'll ever be able to accept the fact that the general public just doesn't care much (or at all) when it's the queers who are being bashed, murdered, or verbally assaulted.

Think I'm making too much of this? Fair enough. Let's play the old substitution game: Read the the following statements below, and imagine the speaker is talking about Jews instead of gay people:

  • "They take it up the ass." (pointing to his own ass) "This is only for taking a shit."

  • "(W)ith this look, who's going to think I'm gay? It would be hard to take me for someone like that."

  • "Do I sound like a homosexual? Do I talk like them? Do I move like them?"

  • (on the above remarks) "I don't think there's an apology necessary, and I'm certainly not giving one. ... If someone wants my opinion, I'll give it. What, am I supposed to lie to them?"

  • (after GLAAD brought his homophobia to light) "I've been chased by automobiles doing dangerous things on the freeway. People have tried to spit on me. It's made me totally paranoid."

  • (claiming he had been confronted by a "gay group") "They had signs, they were screaming and frothing at the mouth -- pure hatred. It was wild."

    Those are all public statements by Mel Gibson over the years -- when he wasn't drunk.

    And I haven't even touched on the way "Braveheart" portrays Edward II as an evil, fey bitch, or the way Eddie's alleged lover was thrown out a window (which is total fiction), or the way Gibson de-gayed "Man without a Face," or his mincing-faggot "gay barber" schtick in "Bird on a Wire," or.....

    But nobody -- besides us uppity homos and our loved ones -- gets upset about things like that. It takes open attacks on Jews (and, in Phelps' case, dead soldiers) for the general public to experience genuine outrage.

    In the end, I'm always glad to see any 'phobe, of any stripe, brought down, and I can even be grateful regardless of the means it takes to make it happen.

    I just wish that the rest of the world would listen to us when we keep trying to tell them: "This guy is mad. This guy is a hater. This guy may be dangerous."

    I grow weary of saying "I told you so." And I don't get any satisfaction out of being right.

    - - -

    Thanks for listening. I almost posted this in GD, but realized that, what with the current tension in there, I'd doubtless get flamed for "diminishing" Jewish persecution, or some such thing.

    But I had to rant.

    - - -

    * I don't agree with anti-picketing laws. I do believe such laws violate one's First Amendment rights. I'm not sure how I feel about laws that keep protesters in a "free speech zone," away from the funeral itself, but if pressed, I would probably be against that too.

    I told an ACLU lawyer, face to face, last week: "You know what really pisses me off about the ACLU? That I have to agree with you for going to bat for Fred Phelps. No matter how much I hate him, you're right to do it."

    I feel the same way about free speech, now matter how vile.

    ** To be fair, Kansas City, MO, did pass a "funeral picketing" law in 1993, in direct response to Phelps' actions. However, that doesn't surprise me; Phelps was already infamous for harrassing public officials, filing countless frivolous lawsuits, and many other non-anti-gay incidents -- and Phelps & Co. were right in KC's backyard. My guess is that the anti-picketing law had little to do with protecting gay people, and was simply about the only way anybody could legally get back at Phelps for being such a pain in the ass.
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    Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 04:35 PM
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    1. Good post!
    Edited on Mon Jul-31-06 04:36 PM by Maat
    This PFLAGer has never been a fan of Gibson's, and, after I heard the quotes you mentioned, I stopped patronizing him (I don't think my husband has either).

    Great points made in the post - again, thanks.
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    GOPBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 04:37 PM
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    2. Great Post!
    You make a lot of excellent points.
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    terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 04:37 PM
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    3. Recommended. Great post
    Thank you. You made some excellent points.
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    theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 04:40 PM
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    4. Great post, Sapphocrat!
    A worthy K&R! :thumbsup:
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    foreigncorrespondent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 04:42 PM
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    5. Great post!!
    Well with the news coming out today that it-shit Mel has entered rehab, I hope Hollywood doesn't fall for it, and still demands for him to be thrown out.

    As for, why no one made changes when it was just us mere fags/dykes being harassed by either Fred or Mel, is simply because we are the easy target. As you always told me, they need someone at the bottom of the shit pile, and after us, there isn't much else.
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    AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 04:55 PM
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    6. Can't stand Mel Gibson. The man is an outrage to humanity.
    He hates gays, Jews, and probably people with skin any color other than white. There is no room for people like him in the world today. The world is getting smaller, so all of us have to have more respect and understanding for others. Yet it seems to be moving in the other direction.

    I hope Gibson's career is OVER. End of story.
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    theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 04:58 PM
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    7. Can we get another K&R for this very worthy thread?
    This deserves to be on the front page.
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    MnFats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 05:13 PM
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    8. k, r. A mighty fine rant if you ask me.
    more people should hear/read it, including me. does that make sense? I am endorsing it. when i get my brain chemistry right I';ll explain..
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    Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 05:16 PM
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    9. But but but ... he said he was sorry
    Geeze, aren't 'you people' ever satisfied???? Damn! I mean ... he made funny cop movies with that black guy from San Francisco. What's his name? Danny Something-or-Other.

    :sarcasm:
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    sgxnk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 05:21 PM
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    10. mel gibson is clearly an anti-semitic kook
    i also think he is a talented actor/director

    realizing the two are unrelated

    i mean roman polanski is a scummy child molesting piece of garbage

    but he's a GREAT director

    i am positively giddy at the thought of the fun south park is gonna have with MEL

    this is the most bizarre celebrity arrest since gabor slapped the police officer

    mel needs to apologize BIG TIME





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    frebrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 05:25 PM
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    11. K&R! n/m
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    Maraya1969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 05:44 PM
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    12. After I saw Brave Heart I never wanted to see any of his movies again
    and I don't know why. I do know that the man seems to have real violent nature because so many of his movies are SO VIOLENT.

    Thanks for pointing all this out. I'll make sure I never look at another movie he is in or directed EVER.

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    idgiehkt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 05:35 PM
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    22. well, apparently the anti-gay part
    (throwing the son's lover out of the tower to his death) was speculation since I could find very little about William Wallace or the characters from that film when I looked into it. I found that scene in particular completely nauseating and I was even more offended when I found out it was really Gibson's point of view coming through.
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    regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 01:14 AM
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    23. That whole sub-plot was made up...
    Although there was speculation that Edward II may have been gay, that certainly does not justify the outrageous, stereotypical "mincing about" performance in the film, which differed little from Mr. Humphries in "Are You Being Served?" -- with the exception that the latter was presented as likeable and sympathetic, whereas Edward was supposed to be totally despicable and contemptable. But, more to the point, why was Edward II included in the story at all? He came to the throne considerably later, and had nothing to do with the events of Wallace's time. And the film's notion that Wallace, not Edward, was the real father of the Princess of Wales' child is especially absurd considering that said child was born seven years after Wallace's execution.

    The fact is that there was no need to include that completely-fictitious sub-plot except to allow Gibson to include two of his great hatreds -- against gays and against the British.

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    ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 05:46 PM
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    13. Well said. We've known for years that he's a bigot.
    Now everyone else is noticing too.
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    wiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 07:15 PM
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    14. Mel Gibson's first gay movie,"Tim", should be reshown in theatres
    He really acted a beautiful, sensitive gay man without the added self-hatred before he got scared. He's probably had every copy of the movie destroyed by now, however. Anger at the loss of youth compels such bitterness in shallow souled men.
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    dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 07:20 PM
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    15. Great post
    I try to seperate artists from art. As pointed out above Roman Polanski is a pretty vile human being. Mozart was no prize for that matter. But Gibson has often allowed his personal foibles to inform his art. Sadly it still does depend who you are bigotted against as to what the general reaction will be.
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    saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-31-06 09:47 PM
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    16. And absolutely NO ONE talks about his women hating! Or what he thinks
    about sick people and stem cell. He said horrible things about Michael J. Fox and Chris Reeve and he would NOT apologize when asked to just as he reacted to the above statements.I agree with what you are saying 100% and I too wish people would listen to the other victims occasionally.
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    readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 02:11 AM
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    17. I think my death is worth about 1/4 of the death of a straight woman
    Or when we're murdered for being gay there's no mention of our gayness because "why sully the reputation of the dead."

    I know that I have no social value in America. I am a woman over 35. Men don't find me hot anymore (thank fucking GOD!) I haven't birthed any little soldiers for the homeland.

    And if you think my death doesn't matter, you should see what they do to my gay Black brothers and sisters. I'm still smarting over Rashawn Brazill. A beautiful gay boy dismembered and strewn throughout the subway system and it never gets any more mention than page 22 of the NYT.

    Yes, he's dead, he's just as dead as Matthew Shepard. But it's an insult after death. It's like spitting on his grave.

    Well I'll keep his memory alive.

    Thanks for posting this Sapph.
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    4_TN_TITANS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 09:04 AM
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    18. K & R.... Mel had me fooled.
    I don't keep up with entertainment news and just thought he was a good actor. I'm through with anything related to Mel Gibson from now on.

    Great post!
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    grace0418 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 10:44 AM
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    19. I loathed Mel before I knew any of those things. Why? Because in EVERY
    single fucking movie he's in, he always has to be the hero, the demi-god, the one all men admire and all women lust after. It was pretty obvious he believed he was all those things.

    And anyone vain, self-absorbed and delusional enough to think he's ALL THAT is clearly also going to think that everyone else is inferior.

    He makes me sick. He has always made me sick. And every new thing I learn about him makes me even sicker. I hope he truly does believe in hell because I like to imagine him there.
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    Smarmie Doofus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 02:13 PM
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    20. So where's everyone been all these years?
    >>>>hink I'm making too much of this? Fair enough. Let's play the old substitution game: Read the the following statements below, and imagine the speaker is talking about Jews instead of gay people:

    # "They take it up the ass." (pointing to his own ass) "This is only for taking a shit."

    # "(W)ith this look, who's going to think I'm gay? It would be hard to take me for someone like that."

    # "Do I sound like a homosexual? Do I talk like them? Do I move like them?"

    # (on the above remarks) "I don't think there's an apology necessary, and I'm certainly not giving one. ... If someone wants my opinion, I'll give it. What, am I supposed to lie to them?"

    # (after GLAAD brought his homophobia to light) "I've been chased by automobiles doing dangerous things on the freeway. People have tried to spit on me. It's made me totally paranoid."

    # (claiming he had been confronted by a "gay group") "They had signs, they were screaming and frothing at the mouth -- pure hatred. It was wild."

    >>>>>>Those are all public statements by Mel Gibson over the years -- when he wasn't drunk.>>>>>>>>



    Perhaps a lot of folks secretly ( or not so secretly ) agree with Gibson re. gays? I hope not. But what other explanation is there?

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    mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-01-06 03:28 PM
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    21. Mel is a vile POS as is his father
    I agree those laws against Phelps are unconstitutional. You know, Gays are ok targets in Bush's 'murka.That's why all this shit goes unreported.
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    Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-02-06 06:21 AM
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    24. Kick.
    :kick:
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    Maven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-03-06 01:19 PM
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    25. Kick nt
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    fear_and_hate_9_11 Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 07:35 PM
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    26. From the bottom of my heart
    Sapphocrat, I'm by nature a rather diffident and unassertive guy, and your great, eloquent, moving post has already been acclaimed as such by the other posters. Still, I want to add my compliments and my thanks to theirs. Gibson isn't worth the water to flush the toilet on him, and you have explained why much better than I could ever hope to do, if only because the anger strangles me and deprives me of words - not only because of this squalid anecdote in itself, but because I can't endure the obscenity of all these celebs and regular Joes cynically and irresponsibly defending him with variations on this "He's just a man / He made a mistake" anthem we are asked to eat out each time a piece of neo-con slime goes out of its disgusting way to produce something even more revolting than usual...

    I also had the sadness to see Jewish fans of his finally acknowledge his anti-Semitism after a phase of denial, but still manage to feel sorry for him, as if he was any better than the neo-nazi prose that his deeds made come out of the woodwork and flourish all over the Internet. When I think of all the good men on our side who get mercilessly slandered every day and put lower than this scumbag without anyone protesting much about that, it makes me sicker than I can tell.

    So, from the bottom of my heart, let me just tell you this :

    http://trum.ytmnd.com/

    That's all...
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