Is it a hate crime for a major daily to print this shit? I say YES.

[MindPilot]

This is an LTTE in this morning's San Diego Union-Tribune. Please contact the paper's Reader's Representative and tell them to stop perpetuating the hate. Would they have run an letter saying similar things about Blacks? Jews? Of course not, but it's apparently perfectly OK to use the newspaper as a forum for gay-bashing. :eyes:

READERS REPRESENTATIVE
Phone: [phone] or [phone]
[e-mail]

LETTERS TO THE EDITOR
Email: [e-mail]
Fax: [phone]



Assailing behavior at gay pride festival
For days, we have been hearing from the Union-Tribune and other local news outlets about a purported “hate crime” committed by punks who assaulted homosexual men during the recent Gay Pride Festival. But there was another hate crime committed that weekend that was not reported: The hateful moral assault committed by the homosexual community against San Diegans of all ages through its degrading and indecent “pride” celebration.

That community demonstrated its hatred of innocent children by allowing them to view a parade where adults engaged in public nudity and simulated sex acts. It displayed its hatred of impressionable teens by exposing them to (hardcore) gay pornography, sadomasochistic practices and devices, and same-sex behavior in the festival area.

It showed its hatred of Christians by giving an award to the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence, drag queens who dress up like nuns and mock the Catholic Church. It exhibited its hatred toward all San Diegans by turning Balboa Park into a filthy blot on “America's Finest City.” The politicians, law enforcement officials, churches, schools and businesses who participated are equally guilty of morally attacking San Diego's citizens.

While the physical assaults are deplorable and rightly to be condemned, it should not serve as a distraction from these hateful moral assaults. In the interest of journalistic fairness, the Union-Tribune and other local media should have exposed these degrading activities as much as they covered the physical assaults.

ALLYSON SMITH
El Cajon

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20060812/news_lz1e12lets.html

[Ian David]

1. Let's document outrageous heterosexual behavior on St. Patrick's Day

Maybe it's time to put an end to HIM- The Heterosexual Irish Menace!

[BOSSHOG]

5. There is much more

"straight" sexual activity on bourbon street then what the gays do up on the corner of bourbon and St Ann. Its funny, I've been going to the Quarter for almost 20 years and have only been offended by the "christians" hell bent on ruining someone's day. Christians want to clean up bourbon street. Why? They should just go the fuck away to their own areas of play.

[iamjoy]

2. Sorry, The Person May Have A Point

If indeed a Gay-Pride celebration features public nudity, simulated sex acts, mocking religion, etc.

You cannot compare them to the black marches, unless you have stories of Black Pride Marches or Jewish Rallies that included people doing the same.

I think gays should be able to get married, I do not agree with discriminating against some one because of their sexual orientation, but I do feel these type demonstrations do more to hurt the cause of gay rights than to help it.

Now, if I can put on my flame-retardant suit here...

[xchrom]

6. yeah -- that's a pretty creepy sentiment you have rolling there.

you have some notion of universal sanitized life -- which is creepy beyond words.

[iamjoy]

12. Why Is It Creepy?

The way I see it, homosexuals are just like every one else. They have parents they love or hate or both in turn. They work hard, they pay taxes and maybe even grumble about it. Some support the war in Iraq, some oppose it. They worry about how to pay their rent/mortgage. They may have kids from the time they were trying to deny the truth about themselves. If so, they worry about raising good citizens and maybe paying for college. Many believe in God and try to live by the spirit of God's word - the love part.

They have hobbies and interests and things they dislike.

So, if they have a Gay Pride March in which they simulate sex acts, what are they showing? That homosexuals are just like everyone else? For some odd reason, Americans are strangely uncomfortable with sexuality, homophobia is only part of it. Why highlight the "differences" that make people uncomfortable rather than the ways we're all the same?

[xchrom]

22. have you ever been to new orleans for mardi gras

or fort lauderdale for spring break -- or countless other venues where heteros gather in large numbers and celebrate their randy sided selves?

americans only PRETEND to be outraged by sexuality.

and there in lies the disconnect.

and more to the point -- i don't want to live life your way -- i don't want to express myself in a way that meets with your approval.

i never came into this world to meet with yours or anyone else's approval.

i have a life to live -- and i have only the time to worry about my choices for my life -- not some human expectation that is out there somewhere -- and which by my very existence i manage to offend anyway.

[foreigncorrespondent]

48. Don't you just love it...

...when you take the time to respond to (a) stupid comment/s only to hear crickets in return? ;)

[xchrom]

50. lol -- i know huh?

[foreigncorrespondent]

47. If we are "just like everyone else..."

...then why separate us by reducing us to "homosexuals" and "they?"

On edit: typo

[Ian David]

9. People whose names begin with A-O should flame iamjoy today...

People whose names begin with N-Z should flame iamjoy tomorrow.

[MindPilot]

10. missed the point by a mile

I was not comparing the Pride Parade to Black civil Rights marches. I was pointing out that the newspaper will provide a platform for gay-bashing while it wouldn't run something with similar remarks about any other group. (expect perhaps Atheists.)

There are risque costumes and provocative dancing which this obviously Christian tight-ass interprets as public nudity and sex.

[iamjoy]

13. If It Isn't A Crime, It Isn't A Hate Crime

how is a LTTE, no matter how bigoted the view a hate crime? Is free speech a crime, or only if you hold the wrong view?

By the same token, I don't think simulated sex acts (provocative dancing) or nudity (wearing risque costumes) constitute hate crimes either. In that, I think the letter writer was wrong.

[MindPilot]

18. Do I have to explain the use of hyperbole as a literary device?

Do you think that if I were to write a LTTE about how niggers are all criminals or that kikes control the world's money the newspaper should print it? Free speech, right?

[undergroundpanther]

17. Maybe we should cordon off the christians

And let them have their own purity island..with no gays, no sex no fun no nothing but their evil hateful bible god Jay-sus work and church and more church,where you can freely tell everyone else how to live who to be if you are more pure than thou....

All the holy christian "elites" can all wait for god to save them from their lives of stoic stupidity together and when jesus fails to materialize after a hundred years of drudgery..

The leaders can incite the good christian people to burn each other as witches ,purge..whenever their repressed sexuality or buried resentment at the elders control or their resentment at each other boils over and makes them crazy.The leaders don't want the sheep to revolt.

..Then when their unhappy kids turn 18(especially girl kids who don't want to be submitted wives birthing until they die)..They will be stories,myths..they'll hear legends whispered in secret about a better world OUT THERE.Beyond the CULTURAL CLOSET of their pointless values..
Some will long for escape,some who are gay but afraid of being whipped and beaten to conform will kill themselves to escape the demands to lie imposed on them,others will get a boat and set sail..

They'll escape purity cult island, And come to OUR liberal gay straight all human beings deserve respect of their own person hood, diversity is good and sex is a valid part of human experience,and spirituality can be without religion ,and freedom means taking responsibility..and protecting everyones rights even harmless people who offend you. The shining liberal country and they'll learn to be who they are and never look back to that closet culture on purity island and the life they were being groomed for and the chains in their minds they broke away.

Declaring ones freedom from bullies and a culture that IS a closet has that effect on people when they are able to be free they celebrate.


SO...If you don't like pride celebrations and they are to racy for YOU keep yourself and your kids in church where there are NO ass-less pants and no one in drag and no didoes and no Dyke's on bikes with no shirts on waving to their friends.. Pride is but 1 day a year in a town.

Hell I put up with fucking CHRISTIANS holidays how many times a year? Easter xmas..ect.ect.All the Jesus music,TV "specials", buying gifts I can't afford and I am a pagan.Christianity SATURATES this culture everywhere several times a year. There is no recognition of Pagan holidays in America yet there are PLENTY of Pagans. Even Samhain , is renamed halloween ,All Hallows Eve,that is a lead up to a SAINTLY Christian Day..Ok..,.Damn! You christians are presumptuous aren't ya?


Pride is ONE DAY. ONE SINGLE DAY with rainbow flags and fun and joy WE have for US..Why can't WE have 1 day? To celebrate something meaningful to US and do the things that are meaningful to US in OUR own way??

Christians have how many celebrations? Each imposed upon this country as National holidays,or recognized some other way? That span everywhere at once? There is no Full Moon rituals at the whitehouse but there's an Easter egg roll! Ripped off from a pagan holiday,Ostara!And there is no pride flag displayed to honor gay American citizens.But there is an Xmas tree!Prayer breakfasts! And Congress opens the day with a REVEREND and a BIBLE. How do you think that feels seeing the type of religious culture that abuses me and demands I LIE being so honored by the government of this country,that is NOT just Christian but is full of GBLT,pagans, people of every flavor of being imaginable??

This is what gets me about your"values".Gay and trans-people people have been for the sake of YOUR sexual insecurity,and for the sole purpose of forcing countless people to maintain YOUR own beliefs for you..Gays Trans-people,Pagans too..have been beaten up,killed,denied a place to live work,denied healthcare,ectect.ect..Just for DARING to be what we are,and be different,and not LIE about ourselves anymore.

Christians want everyone to be just like they are,Covert the world they say,because they want their rewards in heaven,and it is YOU puritans that selfishly narcissistic-ally ,emotionally abuse,force gays and trans-people to suicidal despair buy forcing them to LIE.Lie Before the Goddess.. Your Christian god Don't LIKE liars your religion claims this..Yet in his name you force gay people to LIE because you are offended because of what you believe about YOU and your relationship with YOUR god.. WTF?.


Religion can be demonstrated as a choice one makes once a person is out of parental control,often they change religion. I KNOW this because people DO switch churches when they outgrow the beliefs or the beliefs are not so true or meaningful to them anymore,This is especially true if if they are the seeking of spirit kind of believer who isn't into church for the insecurity driven ego trip, and cultural domination games..

There are Fundies that turn Pagan,Pagans that go Fundie,Buddhists that go Atheist, Fundies that turn Atheist,Christians that come out,Pagans come out,Buddhists come out,Atheists come out,Gay people eventually come out when they are gay if they think they won't be bullied and killed for it... And they stay gay no matter what religion they choose unless they are browbeaten into the closet again by Christians.. it happens _ALL THE TIME_.
Religion is a Choice.People leave fundie values because they oppress people,and people can only endure it so long until they say I can't do this shit anymore it's not working for me..

"Family Values" pushing churches pretty regularly have people leave.(Hell I was in Assemblies of God and I know how the demographics went I helped the clergy,until I could no longer fake being a submitted female,and I left the church,and the 'values' holding me in bondage, and got honest and out as a trans-person.). People"church shop" when they enter a new community.This IMPLIES Choices being made.

A gay persons only REAL choice in this situation is to either stay in bondage,pretend to be someone they are not,deny ever finding love,deny their own self identity, and lie to themselves forever and be 'safe' and or maybe lead a dual life,hurting straight people along the way by faking being straight ,to be safe have a job,and not be humiliated, threatened or lose their families,entire social support network, ect.....

The other choice is.. to come out and live ,love and be..free,and coming out carries a terrible risk to life and limb for us because of the Values types.Because they do not want us to be free or even have a voice....

A gay person comes out when the pressures force them to admit they cannot stand living as a person they never were but were forced to pretend to be to avoid bully religionists,controlling parents, and plain old bigots Who are imposing certain values on them they do not want, or believe in themselves.That is the crux of OUR choice,if you want to talk choices here..A gay person coming out is deciding not to be a LIAR to them self and the world. It is an act of self love .It's self love to not betray oneself and ones life....I hate when religious people push their puritan values I do not want to adhere to onto me,and use their kids as bargaining chips to push control.It's EVIL.It is a form of bullying domination sanctioned by this uptight unequal conforming cowardly hypocrite culture that is sick as hell..I don't stand for it.

My suggestion to you,if Pride activities offend you,
Stay away from pride gatherings!

What a NOVEL idea!

I STAY OUT of the Mall during xmas! Because I can't stand all the religious crap it OFFENDS me.. Why don't YOU do as I do for once, take responsibility for yourself and your damn kids and be responsible YOURSELF for maintaining your OWN "values" system for yourself,yourself???

I am not responsible for upholding YOUR religious"values" any more than you are to uphold mine. Your "values" are not MY values. I don't care about your need to be chaste.I don't WANT to be pure enough for YOUR chosen hateful god,Cause I don't want to be part of your world that I am not wanted in.. unless I become a LIAR anyway.I'm not a LIAR.

I guess people in mental bondage and telling themselves it is good holding onto their "values" resent freedom..Especially when others not like THEY are have it and actually use it to express themselves in a way the values people don't like..Do you hate freedom? Or just MY freedom?

But..YOU can Stay away from PRIDE events it won't hurt you.It's just 1 day.. Find out what day pride is held in your area and stay the fuck away from the pride celebration areas! SIMPLE!!!
Duh'Oh


You won't see ANYTHING 'offensive if you are there and looking!. Wear some blinders,stay in church,Go to relatives houses far away from us. WE don't like your kind of fainting lilly buzz killer and your uptight bigot in training kids presence's at pride anyway. Your attendance at pride events reminds me of the hell I was living in BEFORE I came out and that is something I want to leave behind me FOREVER.

And gay and trans people will NOT stop being what we are and celebrating our ways because you CHOOSE to be offended by it.We will fight.
You cannot control us anymore. We are here Queer and without fear.
Of you ,your god,your"values",your devils,your abusive language,your hate, or your hateful christian armies of obedient tortured sheep.

Wanna avoid pain? Control yourself instead..be responsible, limit yourself just for 1 day,it won't hurt you to GIVE a little..than you won't let yourself get offended about other peoples' culture that you don't get or like.
Stay away from pride. You are not welcome.

[MindPilot]

21. I like the way you think and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter!

:applause: :toast:

[undergroundpanther]

24. I was tweaking it

I think it's better now..

Yeah If I can change my housing situation and get access to Hearts and Ears,my support group and my real family,I'd mail you one....I was their newsletter editor for a couple of years.If I could get back there I'd be doing the graphics ,ads,newsletters displays and whatnot again.It was fun.
I'd put an article in like what I wrote or on some other relevant topic..,And put in other peoples stuff in it,poetry articles and comics,the usual H&E announcements,and events,ect..Do the graphics in photo-shop.. and we'd put the newsletters out around town.. I miss H&E.

Here's some past stuff that was in the newsletter I shared with Unknown news too..
http://www.unknownnews.net/a080305upits.html

Here's the H&E website..There has been alot of changes since I was there,It began when some people in prominent positions,didn't grasp what being CONSUMER RUN program really means and some wanted to run the org with top down control. This caused a split in the org.I was fighting for bottom up participation,and the ones wanting top down control excluded me,it hurt me bad, but the people who were confused about what consumer run meant,are out of the picture now...

I'm not there because of transportation issues.I have been invited back and when I can I'll be there.Hearts and Ears is about Equality,participation and bottom up empowerment.It has stayed true to it's mission despite rough challenges to the core philosophy of the group's existence .I am so proud of H&E.

http://hometown.aol.com/hstsite/hearts-and-ears.html

[Sapphocrat]

33. I suggest a flame-retardant underground bunker.

I also request that anyone whose skull is not about to explode from anger convince me to refrain from replying in full to iamjoy. Fast.

[readmoreoften]

45. don't do it.

don't want to see you get banned. there are millions of them.

[foreigncorrespondent]

49. Oh shit!!!

Well I am glad you must have got side tracked by something else. LOL

[foreigncorrespondent]

46. So you would take the word...

...of some fucked up bitch wanting to prove to the rest of us that she is one hell of a bigoted fucked up bitch? Siding with that says a lot about the person you are.

Have you ever attended a pride celebration? I ask because it is obvious to me that fucked up thing who wrote the letter hasn't.) Pride is a celebration of our diversity. It is the heterosexual community that has marked us for what we do in bed rather than the people we actually are. And dumb ass comments like yours only further add to that.

And just who is comparing this to black pride, or Jewish pride marches? From what I saw the OP stated the obvious question of all; "would they have published this had it been about black pride or Jewish pride?" And the answer to that question is one hell of a big fat NO! And that is because it is still legal to discriminate at will against a person who is gay, as the fucked up letter the OP produced shows.

[Smarmie Doofus]

51. The LTTE writer has no point; but you do.

The LTTE is a collection of disingenuous, politically motivated 'observations' re. a gay pride celebration that the writer almost certainly watched on TV, as opposed to attended in the flesh.

>>>If indeed a Gay-Pride celebration features public nudity, simulated sex acts, mocking religion, etc.>>>>

Such celebrations often *include* these elements; never *feature* them, in my experience. TV news coverage, OTOH, invariably *features* them, or... more precisely...highlights aspects of the parade that suggest the prevalence of the above.

Alas, this is the impression that the general public absorbs.

>>> orientation, but I do feel these type demonstrations do more to hurt the cause of gay rights than to help it.>>>>>

This is almost certainly true, speaking strictly to the pr aspect. Early on, the LGBT rights movement was concerned... almost exclusively... with political rights. It eventually morphed into a form which included advocacy re. ideas ( 'feelings' might be more precise) about puritanism vs. exhibitionism.

This is where it pretty much stands today. A mixed message, where homosexuality is invariably conflated with promiscuity and exhibitionism by the media... and therefore, in the public mind... is communicated to the larger community... which , for whatever reasons, is unreceptive.

The political point is blurred and eventually obscured.

Some of us like it this way.

[Ian David]

3. Mocking the Catholic Church? How awful! What has the Catholic Church...

ever done to gays?

:sarcasm:

[undergroundpanther]

27. It deserves more

Harboring pedophiles and hiding the records,shuffling criminals from parish to parish to save the face of the corrupted power structure of the church.Hypocrites,Abusers of power..I hate the church.. I Think the church needs more critics and more scrutiny and more disdain,until that cabal of pedophiles and their enablers comes clean the abusers are in jail,and the church stops making excuses and obstructing police investigations for it's clergy abusing kids.

[BOSSHOG]

4. Southern Decadence

comes to New Orleans on Labor Day weekend. I recall a few years back a baptist minister hell bent on proving the depravity of the gay community took a video camera down to bourbon street and took hours and hours and hours and hours and hours of video to prove that gays were depraved. More likely for private viewing. Their celebration is well known by the public. If you don't like it, don't show up, just like church on Sunday Morning. Methinks allyson has a very large stick up her tightass.

[xchrom]

7. you couldn't be more right.

these events don't prevent anyone from not attending.

[Joanie Baloney]

8. or...

Methinks Allyson would BENEFIT from a very large stick. I'm just sayin'....


;)

[MindPilot]

11. Good one!!

:rofl::spray:

[Mythsaje]

14. I'm reminded of something George Carlin said...

that seems to apply here as well...

People who object (to pornography) are people you wouldn't want to fuck anyway.

[undergroundpanther]

29. I am on the borderline

I don't object to adult consenting sex of any type that does not do lasting damage or trauma..I don't object to risque pride celebrations or people kissing in public or any thing like that.
Love is great stuff, it's beautiful,I smiled when I saw two lesbians kissing outside a local Mc.Donalds a few weeks ago As I left,I noticed they were cute too.. Anyways.

I just get wary over porn..Because when sex is made into a product and sold the the power balance in the relationship changes.

Porn is a for profit industry, it's not a bunch of people simply having a good time together.Some Net porn IS a bunch of people goofing off and I have no objection to that.. But when there is an economic factor motivating sex that is NOT the same relationship as a bunch of guys goofing around dancing with a big dildo on a pride float..or two cute Dyke's kissing..


Because when profit enters the picture it always seems the human concerns are not heard,respected,consent is twisted and sex becomes a job,a paycheck..a way to get drugs,or a desperate choice made in a desperate situation,by a desperate person in duress. It makes sex become something else.

Porn is impossible to regulate to find who is consenting or not.What porn was made with empowered exhibitionists or what was made with a 18 year old on drugs running away from an abusive home it is impossible to tell. 1 in 4 women are raped before age 18 and for boys,the statistics are almost as bad..It is very common..It's scary.

Money changes everything in certain situations ,Profit even twists what consent means,and that's what bothers me about profit and porn.
Did you read the DU threads about the asshole who makes Girls Gone Wild videos? Are you aware how abuse and abusive people warps a targets concept of their own sexuality? Trauma makes teens do stuff they wouldn't do if they were not traumatized,because of the damage they have psychologically.

To exploit a person's psychological damage caused by trauma and to push consent by offering attention or bribes, for sexual exploitation that way is to me beyond disgusting.It makes sex feel sickening.

To me, good respectful relationships are the thing that makes sex come alive .All flavors are good..A rainbow it is..Like everlasting gobstoppers....But still we exist in a culture that excuses exploitation of the vulnerable people and TONS of money is driving the sex trade to 'bend the rules'.The relations are not able to work.People often who've been hurt before get hurt again in this kind of set up.

I am no prude about sexuality..AND also I don't want to excuse people getting hurt sexually for profit either.I hate all forms of abuse of power and exploitation.Be it fundie assholes Or assholes like Francis maker of Girls and Guys gone Wild.

I truly respect consenting sex,

even to the point if it means to reinforce the sanctity of consent,and to help traumatized people heal, porn is limited and regulated and less available...or if it must be..unavailable.

Happy sex and sexuality of all flavors will go on free as ever.

Regardless of the lack of photographs and videos selling images made with questionable exploitation of the sexuality of vulnerable desperate traumatized people for someones profit margin.

Respect Consent and empathize with people,put aside money and your wants to listen,..because sex is precious and it is intimate and if a person's sexuality is abused when they are vulnerable or not truly ready,the joy in sex , can be broken forever in a person...

And I do not want to make rationales about desperate confused traumatized people and porn ..I don't want to stand by and let for profit industries twist the desperate so they lose the joy of their own sexuality forever..It is a very high price for a confused person to pay for a hit of crack,or a bit of attention,or acceptance.It makes my heart ache for them. Because I was abused and coerced and I did things when I was under duress and agreed to it and I didn't understand I was disssociating..and I know how abuse of my consent and my own traumatic scars almost destroyed sex for me forever.

[Boojatta]

15. Do you really think it's a hate crime?

Didn't you post a copy of the same letter that the newspaper printed? When you post it, is it not a hate crime because you said that you disapprove of it?

As a matter of law, can something be a hate crime if it is not already a crime under ordinary laws outside of the law of hate crimes?

[MindPilot]

19. Please see post # 18

[Jade Fox]

16. Your existence = violent assault

No, I don't think so.

The notion that my being offended by something is somehow equal to my being physically assaulted is outrageous, and absurd. Anyone who has ever been physically assaulted would know the difference.

This is an example of the way the Right has commandeered the notion of victimization, and moved it's definition away from actual events to a state of mind. Thus, some Christians claim victimization because others have made them "feel bad" as Christians, as if those victims of, say, racism were not responding to a centuries-long history of concrete discrimination and physical violence, but only to having been made to "feel bad" as people of color.

You can't decide that people making fun of your beliefs is violence. That's garbage.

[MindPilot]

20. Thank you!!

A very succinct explanation.

:applause:

[undergroundpanther]

25. Yep

A belief is not a person,nor is a corporation,or a church,or a cherished idea. They are all open season for critics.Ideas need to be challenged and ridiculed when they are made into excuses to dominate or hurt people,lest they become tools of domination for a control based culture,and whips of oppression for others who are different..literally,physically..
Check out what good Christians do and did to non believers through history or to people suspected of being witches.

Yes Christianity is a proven threat a belief system with a criminal record,when it is adopted by states,enforced by states,overvalued,and over protected by believers from critics,ridicule and dissent.. Christian "values" in the minds of bullies are a danger to the human race,freedom,democracy,diversity,equality, sanity and the human spirit..

[xchrom]

30. kicking an excellent reply.

[Jamastiene]

23. Oh damn, give me a break.

"That community demonstrated its hatred of innocent children by allowing them to view a parade where adults engaged in public nudity and simulated sex acts. It displayed its hatred of impressionable teens by exposing them to (hardcore) gay pornography, sadomasochistic practices and devices, and same-sex behavior in the festival area. "

Fuck that logic and the horse it rode in on. Children, especially "impressionable" teenagers are not going to stick around and watch if they aren't interested or if they are turned off. Why do they always have to insinuate that viewing gay sex is going to "turn" some kid gay? You KNOW that is what they are really saying, don't you?

Maybe they should take their children far back in the woods to a fishing hole in the country on that day if they don't want them exposed to gay people. Or maybe they should get their heads out of their asses and get to know a few of us. Then they would know that we aren't monsters. Fuck 'em.

[undergroundpanther]

26. Fuck them

How many times Do I gotta put up with Christian Holidays? Christmas Easter ect.ect.. It all offends me..So what do I do? I stay OUT of the Mall during xmas SEASON about a MONTH or sometimes LONGER..,I don't go into churches at all..

Pride is ONE DAY in a town,not all over the country at once,it is not in very mall ,displayed on every street corner.GET REAL.. If Pride offends thee ,simply..STAY AWAY FROM THE PARADE AND CELEBRATION AREAS For 1 DAY..! ONE frigging Day.You can do it! I desperately try to stay away from the mall from after thanksgiving to past new years due to YOUR christian holidays!

Or you can do as the bible sez.. pluck your own fucking eyes out,and never be offended again , and shut the hell up for once.

The bible DOES NOT SAY,or give you permission to..If thee are offended, to Go out and control everyone else's lives and identity and take away their sexuality and control their heathen celebrations...

Fundie=Ass clown.


Ooohhh, I get it now..
Christians HATE my FREEDOMS!!
They want me dead or closeted because my existence offends them..
Christians.. Why not...get thee some sense of self responsibility for thine own offense and chosen beliefs..instead of trying to dominate non believers? Just , Take thine tight Arse,and big ego and go OUT from the Pride celebrations? Yea,put thy self and thine self righteous control freaking, brood of vipers and offspring borne in bondage,,AWAY from ALL PRIDE ACTIVITIES and stay AWAY from US FOREVER every year for 1 day...You are not welcome in the 1 day Sodom And Gomorrah,Oh you Hypocrites!. Go to Church and pray about it,and trust your god. Out,OUT!Get thee behind me you bigot,bully before I put you there..

Stupid fucking Christian nazis suck..

[Jamastiene]

28. I couldn't have said it better myself. n/t

[NMMNG]

44. Bingo

If you don't want your kids exposed to the stuff don't take them to the effing parade, morons! If I had kids I wouldn't take them to a church then whine about the people giving sermons and reading the Bible aloud in front of them. :crazy:

[and-justice-for-all]

59. ^^^ I second that...FUCK'EM!!

[davidinalameda]

31. it's not

someone needs to call this woman the liar that she is

[zcflint09]

32. I am split on this issue

I think that to an extent the lewdness displayed at gay pride parade can be excessive and the fact is that the blatent sexuality at some of these parades are flaunted. It's not a family atmosphere. However, heteroseuxals are guilty of the same--so I have mixed feelings on the "moral outrage" about this issue. If people were will to call homosexuals and heterosexuals on outrageous public sex acts.

[MindPilot]

39. It is not a "family atmosphere" and was likely never intended to be

Can't the grownups have a good time once in awhile without having to worry about the kiddies?

[zcflint09]

54. Most gay pride parades and celebrations market themselves...

As "family friendly". I have been to roughly 10 or 15 and all have called themselves family friendly in order to garner more business.

[idgiehkt]

55. when the fundies throw out their televisions and their hidden porn

then maybe they can bitch about our sexual expression. Until that point, I don't want to hear about it.

[Siyahamba]

34. Where are all these pride parades full of sex and nudity taking place?!?

I keep hearing this but all the pride parades I've been to have been full of families, church groups, and community organizations.

[Guy Fawkes]

35. My local paper...

does print anti-semitic and racist crap. :crazy: This would be tame for them... glad I'm moving soon.

[ruggerson]

36. "Allyson Smith" the writer of this piece of garbage

Apparently was a "reporter" at one time:




http://www.sdnewsnotes.com/ed/notes/0301note.htm


"News Notes reporter Allyson Smith spotted a car license plate that said "BARKACS." Following the vehicle into Tom Ham's parking lot, she confronted Craig Barkacs, USD professor and candidate for Duncan Hunter's congressional seat in November.

"Are you Craig Barkacs?" Smith asked. "Yes, I am," answered Barkacs. "Did you run against Duncan Hunter?" "Yes, I did." "Do you teach at USD?" "Yes, I do." "Are you here for the banquet?" pressed Smith. "Yes, I am," confirmed Barkacs. Smith identified herself as a writer for News Notes and asked Barkacs how he could teach at a Catholic university and attend a pro-abortion banquet. Barkacs responded, "Your school is in favor of academic freedom, and that's why I support freedom of choice."

"You can't support this," said Smith. Barkacs insisted, "I do support the right of people to decide for themselves; I really do, and I'd be a hypocrite ."

[ruggerson]

37. And check this out

she also writes articles for "Concerned Women For America."


http://www.cwfa.org/articles/2776/CFI/cfreport/index.htm

Voters in Grossmont School District Throw Pro-'Gay' Crooks Out of Office 11/14/2002
By Allyson Smith

Pro-family majority in, pro-homosexual activist out.

In an election that focused heavily on the issue of homosexuality in schools, a Christian pro-family majority swept into office in the second-largest school district in California, ousting a trustee who pushed through pro-"gay" policies.

Losing in the election for the Grossmont Union High School District board was Ted Crooks, who with two other trustees outraged family advocates by winning passage of a pro-homosexual measure that expanded the district's non-discrimination and harassment policies to include "sexual orientation, whether actual or perceived." Three years ago, voters tried but failed to recall Crooks.

The victors on November 5 were Gary Cass, Jim Kelly and Evelyn Wills, all Republicans, who campaigned as a team on issues of parental rights, strong academics and moral standards for students, and taxpayer accountability. Cass, who pastors West Hills Christian Fellowship in El Cajon, has argued that all students can be protected without passing special codes based on divisive sexual and gender criteria. The three join incumbent Priscilla Schreiber (R) to form a 4-1 pro-family board majority.

[undergroundpanther]

38. Her concern isn't concern

It's control..

Boy am I tempted to use the B word with her.
Anyway these groups have cell churches and a big grassroots network These yahoos have brainwashed deployable followers writing shit anywhere it can be said. They are highly organized Like they say Alqueda is,and these fundies probably got more money backing them too.It's all their damn culture war.And they take the War seriously and do it covert because they know their message is HATE..They hope the public won't discern the hate..And sadly sometimes they don't.

[Joanie Baloney]

40. But wait! There's more....

Great finds, Ruggerson!

Along the same lines (if not even more disgusting since being written at an extreme-right wing blog she and her co-slimes can spew lies at will).

Here's a snippet:

Two women who attended last week's San Diego Gay Pride Festival are now alledging that young minors were possibly exposed to obscene sexual demonstrations during the event. The disturbing allegations have led the James Hartline Report to conduct an investigation to verify the veracity of the accusations. Preliminary findings of the investigation have, in fact, uncovered some horrific photographs and other verified evidence that is shocking even to the most hardened of sexually liberal minds.

The ensuing scandal could surpass the severity of last year's pedophile scandal that rocked the local San Diego gay organization. One of the women, Allyson Smith, a nationally recognized conservative Catholic newsreporter who has gone undercover numerous times to report on sexual misconduct at many gay and straight events that have featured advocates of NAMBLA, sadomasochistic abuse of children and adults, as well as investigations of corruption inside of her own religious denomination, spoke with the James Hartline Report after she went undercover inside of the 2006 San Diego Gay Pride Parade and Festival.

If you can stomach more, here's the link:

http://www.theconservativevoice.com/forum/read.html?id=4904#comments


I'm going to go scrub my brain now....YUCK!

[Sapphocrat]

57. "who has gone undercover numerous times to report on sexual misconduct"

Translation: She's a big, self-loathing lesbian closet case who picks up anything with a vagina that's blind drunk enough to go home with her on Friday night, then writes hateful commentary for Penance on Saturday, so she can receive Communion on Sunday.

She should have been a nun.

[Joanie Baloney]

41. This woman is a walking hate crime....sheesh

Rainbow Force
ARE GAY COPS FAIR?
By Allyson Smith

I went into the men's restroom (in Presidio Park), and there were two male couples going at it in the stalls," said Adam Kennedy (not his real name.) "I told them I had a cell phone and was calling the police right now. While I was waiting for the police to show up, the men left the restroom. A few minutes later, a female officer responded to my call. I noticed that she was wearing a rainbow pin on her uniform. I have two questions. First, why are officers allowed to wear rainbow pins on their uniforms, and second, what is a gay-friendly police officer doing handling a complaint about homosexual activity in Presidio Park?"



More here:

http://www.sdnewsnotes.com/ed/articles/1999/1299as.htm

[Ayesha]

42. Methinks this right-wing "journalist" has never actually BEEN to Pride

Speaking as someone who was actually there (though on Sunday, not parade day) I can attest that it really wasn't all that wild. I certainly didn't see any public sex acts! Mostly it was just regular people in t-shirts and jeans, like it always is. There were the usual few guys in assless chaps or with their junk in little leather bags, which I do find offensive and inappropriate, as it plays into the stereotypes of those who hate us. To me Pride should be a family event, where LGBT parents can bring their children and gay people can feel comfortable doing the same things heteros do in public every day - holding hands, kissing, hanging out with friends. I'm not saying it should be rated G but the over-the-top stuff should be saved for the leather area, the bars, and similar adults-only venues.

I think Pride is evolving and trying to decide what it's going to be - will it be a raucus Mardi Gras-style party or a festival for activism, family, and fun? I'm really hoping for the latter.

[NMMNG]

43. Funny

I don't recall seeing any LTTEs from people whining about the debauchery and boob flashing that goes on every year at Mardi Gras. Oh yeah, that's straight people.

[Joanie Baloney]

52. Here's my LTTE responding to Ms. Smith

Not that it will get printed, but I feel better. ;)


Dear Editors,

The UT should consider hiring Allyson Smith (Letters to the Editor, August 12, 2006-"Assailing behavior at gay pride festival"). But perhaps the editorial staff wasn't aware of Ms. Smith's illustrious "career" of homophobic rhetoric she has spewed over the last decade in such bastions of balanced reporting such as San Diego News Notes, The Conservative Voice and WorldNetDaily. Perhaps her latest letter equating the annual Gay Pride festival in Balboa Park to the hate crime committed after the event was an audition. Maybe the UT could give Ms. Smith a weekly column - that way your readers wouldn't have to wait 120 days to read pearls of wisdom such as: "(The homosexual community) exhibited its hatred toward all San Diegans by turning Balboa Park into a filthy blot on “America's Finest City” or this bon mot: "While the physical assaults are deplorable and rightly to be condemned, it should not serve as a distraction from these hateful moral assaults."



Yes - the thugs who attacked the young men in the park were actually trying to distract us from the real issue - a celebration of alternative lifestyles in the 21st century. You nailed it Allyson! Would you like a corner office with a view of Balboa Park?



"Joanie Baloney"

[MindPilot]

53. Great! Here's what I sent...

Dear Reader’s Representative:

It is absolutely deplorable that the Union Tribune allows itself to be used as a platform for anti-gay hate-mongering. Of course the writer has a right to her opinion, but I don’t believe a major print daily should be handing these hate-filled Neanderthals a megaphone.

Would you have run a letter saying similar things about women, African Americans or Jews? Of course not, but it's apparently perfectly OK to use the newspaper as a forum for gay-bashing.

I suggest the Union-Tribune print a retraction and publicly apologize to the gay community.

MP

[idgiehkt]

56. this is mine

I didn't put much effort into it cause I'm tired but anyway:

Dear Editor,

Why is the Union Tribune using it's op-ed page as a platform for political groups such as Concerned Women for America? Isn't that best left to other sections of the paper? Shouldn't the op-ed page be used for citizens who don't normally have access to the media like CWA does, through it's press releases or propaganda? Why should Ms. Smith, a journalist, be showcased in space that could be used by people who are not journalists? Since journalists get the space on most other pages of the average newspaper it seems unfair to give her a even more room to espouse her backward, hatemongering views on homosexuality, which she may in fact be taking a salary to do. I support people having the freedom to express their views, but it seems strange when someone who is not your average joe or jane on the street gets even more of a platform than normal to espouse hateful rhetoric like this.

Sincerely ,

[kevinbgoode]

58. There should be letters to the editor about Allyson's letter

And one good point to be made is an observation about how lucky San Diego is that people like Allyson are so convinced they were created as superior moral beings without even having to make any moral choices beyond looking for a church that makes its living off of feeding hatred and persecution.

And someone should mention that Allyson seems to believe she has been appointed spiritual and moral leader simply because . . .well, she says so. But I wouldn't think for a minute that Allyson should be concerned about the moral values of such depraved activity she contends Gay Pride is all about. Just imagine what kind of simulated blood, gore, violence and hate speech would be generated by a fascist Pride celebration - and you can bet Allyson would be right there.

It's so easy these days for people claiming the high ground to call themselves "Christians" - but, like Allyson's case, Fred Phelps calls himself one, too. Perhaps if she was so concerned about real moral foundation, she'd learn how to advocate something besides hate and warfare.

[Kerrytravelers]

60. My letters.

To the reader's representatives:

I'm just curious how long the San Diego tribune plans on printing hateful letters. Is is limited to simply gay-bashing, or do you plan on opening up to KKK members who's like to express their ideas on African-Americans and Catholics. What makes gay people so special that your paper highlights them to be the lucky recipeintants of so much hate.

Allyson Smith's letter is disgraceful, and so are you for printing something so vile.


XXXX



And a LTTE:


I'm embaressed for the San Diego Tribune since the editors clearly do not have the sense not to print hate-filled letters that are based on bigotry and not on facts. The letter by Allyson Smith was vile and full of bigoted hate. In a civilized society, it terrifies me that people like her walk free to spew their poison among the innocent people. No one should be subjected to such viciousness. As a Christian, it offends me that she uses her "Christianity" as an excuse to be so low. My husband is from El Cajon. He is a person full of love for everyone. It's good to know not all of El Cajon is a cesspool.

XXXX