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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 04:06 AM
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"homosexual 'behavior' is far more dangerous than smoking"
Edited on Sun Aug-13-06 04:08 AM by Jamastiene
In an article by by Heidi Beirich entitled, Passive Aggressive, she looks at both the Christian Right and the Jewish Right and what they view as the biggest threat to America; homosexuality.

The quote in the subject line is from a book called "Reality Matters: Gays & Lesbians," published by the Rutland, Vt.-based Center for American Cultural Renewal.

Here is a link to the article:
http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=654

And some of the text from the beginning of the article:

Passive Agressive
Activists met recently to plan a defense against 'The War on Christians. Instead, they attacked and vilified gay people.
by Heidi Beirich




WASHINGTON, D.C. -- In late March, the plush Omni Shoreham hotel in the nation's capital was the site of a day-and-a-half-long, anti-gay extravaganza hosted by the Christian Right outfit American Vision. In the same fancy "Blue Room" where Bill Clinton blew on his sax during his 1993 inaugural ball, a Who's Who of hard-line Christian Right organizations and a handful of their conservative Jewish allies met to discuss what they called "The War On Christians." But the conferees didn't sound much like victims once they started talking. Instead, they spent most of their time excoriating two groups of people -- homosexuals and their allies, the "activist judges" who are said to empower gays by legalizing their sexual conduct, awarding them civil-rights protections and allowing them to marry.

Vision America is a network of "Patriot pastors and Patriot partners" that is run from Lufkin, Texas, and has such Christian Right luminaries on its board as the Rev. Jerry Falwell and Paul Weyrich, head of the Free Congress Foundation and the architect of the 1980 Reagan election. It has been gaining power on the Christian Right lately and even had a hand in vetting Supreme Court candidates for the White House. On its bill this spring were congressmen and senators, plus a luncheon keynote by U.S. Rep. Tom Delay (R-Texas), the former house majority leader who announced just after the conference that he was stepping down to face charges of criminal corruption. About 150 enthusiastic culture warriors were there, including one dressed up as George Washington and another as Betsy Ross.

The conference boiled down to a veritable jihad against gay rights. No fewer than 18 presenters railed against homosexuals and the "gay agenda." It seemed that the speakers, many of whom were ostensibly there to talk about the virtues of a Christian nation, just couldn't help but take repeated swipes at gays and lesbians.

Setting the tone was Vision America's head, Rick Scarborough, who said at the start that he is "rushing his efforts to stop the homosexual agenda" that he sees as the key threat to America. Complaining that his audiences are graying, Scarborough emphasized that "we have to reach the next generation" before it's too late.

<snip>



So, are they implying that kissing another woman will give me lung cancer now? How?

And what can we do to make sure the next generation does not grow up as homophobic as the last generation?
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Broken_Hero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 04:09 AM
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1. Oh my...
What a disaster piece...:( But the question is, just how many people will buy into it?
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 04:28 AM
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2. I hope not many.
I wish they were required to show the proper credentials before making medical claims backed with no evidence. I wonder why they are given a pass on that so much of the time.
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Broken_Hero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 04:39 AM
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3. I'm not sure
but I'm sure MONEY/CONTROl is a major factor in why they are given such a free pass. Like Ann Coulter, why the hell do people back her, where does she get her money from? Same premise basically...:(
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 06:26 AM
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5. I have often wondered how someone
like Ann Coulter ends up on television and in a lucritive career when there main goal in life is to slander and belittle people.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 06:04 AM
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4. for the same reasons they are given a pass
on their objections to abortion.

there is no rational reason to be anti-abortion -- except that people object on religous grounds.

and those religous grounds are about getting control of peoples genitals.
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 06:31 AM
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6. Precisely.
I often wonder about the strange notion those people have that GLBT people are obsessed with sex. IMHO, it is the other way around. As sex starved as I am, I don't spend nearly as much time thinking about homosexual sex as they do.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 06:35 AM
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7. and you never will.
it's part of their perversion -- to perpetually think about YOUR naughty bits.

gross isn't it?
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 06:57 AM
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8. Yes. I feel so violated by that fact.
What if I obsessed over their naughty bits? Wouldn't they call me a dirty minded something if I did that?
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 07:20 AM
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9. how about grabbing your cell phone and
start following them around?

talk about their outfits -- if they look the least sleazy or slutty?

make sure they only bang their spouces, etc?

trust me -- they get their naughty bits around too -- just no one looking for them to do so.
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ikojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 05:59 PM
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23. I can tell you that most Jews are supportive of
GLBT rights. You wont see the hatred in the Jewish community that you see in the fundie Christian community. One of my friends told me that in the August 9, 2006 issue of the St Louis Jewish Light (the local Jewish newspaper) there was a multipage article about gay Jews. Included in the article was a quote from a local orthodox rabbi about how he welcomed GLBT Jews to his congregation. I don't have the paper or else I would include the quote. Yes, there are Jews, a minority, who oppose GLBT rights but that is not the majority.
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Creideiki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 09:16 AM
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10. Usually they mean the HIV/AIDS thing
However, they don't pay any mind to the statistics that say that lesbians have the lowest HIV rate in the country. They also don't pay any mind to trends in the rest of the world. Or that the fastest growing HIV infection rate communities are not the gay community.

Of course, logic has never been the point. Fear is.
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 10:29 PM
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16. What you metioned reminded me of the vile
Phelps guy who says, "Thank God for AIDS." and other disgusting stuff like that. Those people really are sick, aren't they? I mean why would they picket funerals? What kind of disrespectful hateful crap is that. I'd say the people in the article remind me of Phelps. You nailed it with your post. They really ARE in the same category.
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Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 10:09 AM
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22. You'll notice, though...
...it didn't decome a big deal to anyone until he started picketing funerals of soldiers who died in the ME.

Then, suddenly, it wasn't acceptable.

I just... thought I'd point that out. x(
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Solo_in_MD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 09:41 AM
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11. How about different but related question on this...
Edited on Sun Aug-13-06 09:41 AM by Solo_in_MD
What is the life expectancy of the average gay man or woman comparred to the national average? I remember hearing over the years that married men live shorter than married men as well.

Really am wondering what some unbiased stats would say and if marked different, then why.

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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 10:32 PM
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17. I'm not sure which one lives shorter.
Married men or married men. :P
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zcflint09 Donating Member (263 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 02:45 PM
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12. This just in: Homosexuality causes "GAY CANCER"...and it's contagious...
LOL

These wingnuts are morons.

Fortunatley for them, the "gay agenda" sitting on my desk today is empty, I'll have to fill it back up tommorow. It's a little rainbow folder sitting on top of my printer.

It also comes to life and hunts down Christians at night. I've trained MY gay agenda correctly.
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 10:20 PM
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15. Well, maybe you need to open up a training camp for
all our gay agendas so we can multiply the number of right wing kooks that we eliminate. Yours alone isn't stopping enough nuts. :P
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 08:27 PM
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13. The only thing I see as being "Bad for America"
Is Repuke stupidity and ignorance, not to mention their continuos lying and brainwashing they practice.

If its got Jerry Falwells name attached to it, its garbage. Any of those mentioned cult organizations are poison and the real threat to socities here and anroad.
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 10:33 PM
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18. Hear here.
You speak the truth. Those people need to get a grip. If they got a grip more often, maybe they wouldn't be so hateful.
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 08:51 PM
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14. If Washington and Ross were really there
They'd throw up.
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-13-06 10:35 PM
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19. I'm sure they would.
They are probably rolling over in their graves at how this current bunch of people in charge think they would agree with them.
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 11:45 AM
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20. the only danger they see is not being able to control reproduction
ultimately that's what it all boils down to. If it were up them, they would make it illegal to change faith, to marry outside the faith or to move away from community, and they would preferably have a community elder tell you who are allowed to marry, when you need to marry, and what trade you and your children can take up and practice.

Organized religions centralize power, but they can only do it within their flock, or by influencing the larger political system using goatherder village dynamics; it's still clear today. People who make their own choices about what, whether, how, or when to reproduce are despised and looked at as "dangerous".

They believe they "own" us, that they "own" our lives and they are mightily disappointed that we make our own decisions about our own lives and disregard them entirely. Why, the danger is, imagine if everyone just did whatever they wanted to! How horrible!

The sad part is, once a society becomes openly fascist, then treating people who aren't in lockstep with you is done with violence and is "justified", because people who don't follow your ideology are "dangerous", are subhuman. They really just don't get it.

We own our own lives, nobody else does, and laws or not nobody really gets to make decisions about WHO we are.



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jhrobbins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-20-06 08:23 AM
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21. Maybe I'm just being naive...
but it always amazes me when I hear that some Jews excoriate ANY group of people simply for who or what they are. Surely, somewhere in some deep recess of their bigoted little hearts they see the folly of this type of thinking.

:puke:
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-21-06 01:10 AM
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24. Being a hateful bigot is more dangerous than homosexuality and smoking
combined. Stick that up your arses and sit on it you control freaks. :grr:
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