Virginia's Family Foundation boasts about voiding contracts between same-sex persons.

[swimboy]

http://www.familyfoundation.org/victories.html

The following are examples of legislative victories shared by Virginia’s families!

Banned counterfeit forms of marriage such as “civil unions”
This law voids any civil union, partnership, contract or other arrangement between persons of the same sex purporting to bestow the privileges or obligations of marriage. Such an arrangement entered into in another state or jurisdiction is void in Virginia and any contractual rights created thereby unenforceable.

So much for their protestations that we were fear-mongering in pointing out the actual text of the "Marriage" amendment.

And what's up next for the Family Foundation and Va4Marriage? Well, Va4Marriage's work here is done. There are no further ways to protect marriage. One man, one woman--take the homosexuals out of the equation and the Utopia that results means there is no message for the straight people, they've got the marriage thing down perfect!

http://www.va4marriage.org/

The Family Foundation's primary goal now is to prevent the Governor from developing pre-Kindergarten programs. Please enjoy the insular and fear-mongering language they use to inspire their flocks.

Mean people sure do suck.

[ThomCat]

1. Damn!

:cry:

I feel bad for all of y'all that live in Virgina. :(

[denverbill]

2. Excellent way for folks to get out of contracts they don't want to be in.

A gay couple could borrow $1 million in a state that allows gay marriage, transfer all the money to one partner's accounts, then move to Virginia, and the other partner could declare bankruptcy and they couldn't go after the assets of the first partner.

Not sure if that would actually work, but Virginia's setting itself up for a lot of stuff like this potentially by doing this.

[kevinbgoode]

20. And the state would deserve every manipulative situation

that can abuse it for this travesty. If they are going to paint a group of citizens as pariahs, then we should give them exactly what they ask for as often as possible. If I was a Virginian, I would view the state Constitution as nothing having to do with me at all - since we've been written out of the document, the response to tyranny is to give it the same respect it gives our citizenship.

[Tyo]

3. I can't believe that this kind of shit would survive a court challenge.

Since when can you prevent a certain class of competent law-abiding adults from entering into contracts which would be perfectly legal for anyone else?

[swimboy]

4. Our Attorney General has claimed there's no intention of doing that.

But I suspect they will get their own activist judges to determine which contracts will be voided. They really get off on telling us how we can live. It kills them that sodomy is no longer illegal. Their website says society is threatened with impending legalisation of gay prostitution. They are really evil manipulators. I wish they were crazy but they are not. They are incredibly self-serving and mean. Words fail me.

[Tyo]

5. That's a big part of the problem

Insane? Probably many of them. Crazy? Nope. And dedicated and determined? That would have to be a great big yes. We're going to have our work cut out for us for quite a while,
but I think we'll win in the end.

[Athelwulf]

8. They're NOT crazy?

Did I read that right?

[swimboy]

9. They have a mania that drives them

rather than incapacitates them. More's the pity.


And welcome to DU, Athelwulf! :hi:

[sui generis]

10. I think swimboy means that they don't believe the stuff they say

but they're saying it because they get money from people who do.

I am just astonished at the double standard. If we, gay folk, announced that we were setting out to break up straight families, relationships, legal agreements, they would start hunting us in the streets, and hanging us from lampposts like they did to black people for entertainment forty years ago.

Yet they can sit there with impunity and announce that they intend to destroy our families, hurt our loved ones and deny us the right to exist on our terms. They're announcing, with glee, that they intend to lynch us, figuratively speaking.

I am not a meek person at all and I have as much contempt for authority as I have disdain for these meddlers; the last thing I want is for them to even think they will be allowed to make victims of us.

If they are using "the law" to hurt us then I have no use for the law, and I want them to understand that at a very personal level. Come after our families? Better think twice and twice again about that people. If the law doesn't protect us from you, and some voluntary civil obeisance to the law on our part is the only thing protecting you from us, then the law doesn't matter much to me and I am not alone in that.

Oddly, isn't that the second reason after human/civil rights that we seek equality? If you oppress people with the law, then the law becomes meaningless.

[va4wilderness]

14. This amendment could break up both straight & gay legal arrangements

This Va. amendment could break up both straight & gay legal arrangements. The language applies to any unmarried persons. Legal contracts, custody decisions, domestic violence enforcement, and all the other "rights" (undefined) of marriage for any unmarried people.

So I'm wondering if they're going to treat unmarried same-sex and heterosexual couples equally, when the lawsuits finally hit. That would be interesting I;m sure... To see how these lawsuits turn out.

Under the best case scenario, there wouldn't be alot of enforcement regarding the voiding of contracts, etc. The state attorney general issued an interpretation of this that was supposed to pretty much limit the scope of how far this amendment could legally go, beyond eliminating "gay marriage" forever like they've always wanted to do.... but, who knows what the consequences will be once the conservative judges start to rule on it.

No matter what, this could interfere with a lot of peoples lives -severely.

[kiahzero]

7. The only way it could be stricken is by violating the U.S. Constitution

Since the U.S.S.C. has steadfastly refused to read the Equal Protection Clause in a way that makes sense with regards to discrimination on the basis of sex, it's unlikely that they would do so.

[sui generis]

6. Yes Virginia, if one of your law enforcement people

tried to take one of my kids at a traffic stop because we weren't recognized as legal parents in the deliverance backwater of Virginia, I'd beat you into slack jawed gap toothed mashed potatoes with your hillbilly banjo, and send your district a postcard with directions to the body. You want to war on our families, we'll give you a war and I am deadly earnest about my family.

If you think we're just going to sit around and wait for you to try to turn us into victims of your bigotry, you'd better bring friends because you won't want to be alone at your funeral.

And if some lurking Virginia law enforcement officer wants my name, the admins should feel free to give it to them. Let's dance.

Fucking bigots - but they won't pick on anyone who's strong enough to stand up to them, because they ARE chickenshit.

____.....I'm breathing I'm breathing, scales, talons, slitted pupils, leathery wings retracted, breathing . . . ..

Now having gone on that tirade, I will say that Richmond's Capital One, as much as I despise them, and other Virginia companies, have corporate programs, internal employee clubs, etc., that do celebrate diversity and there isn't a damn thing that these freaks can do about it, or that Capital One will do about it on their behalf. They are evil in many other ways, but bigotry is not one of them.

[Occulus]

17. IS there ANY chance that these bigots will see those employee benefits

as a "benefit incidental to marriage"?

[swimboy]

18. I daresay there is.

Fortunately, they promised us before the election that they have no intention of using the amendment in that fashion. :eyes:

[NMMNG]

11. Virginia is fast becoming the most anti-gay state

Not that Kansas is far behind.


The Family Foundation's primary goal now is to prevent the Governor from developing pre-Kindergarten programs.

:wtf: do they have against pre-Kindergarten programs?

[swimboy]

12. Can you find the lies? a game for children ages 3-5

http://www.familyfoundation.org/alerts_main.html

One of the major issues we will battle against this year is Governor Tim Kaine's proposed scheme to develop a state government controlled day care system in Virginia. Called "Universal Day Care" or "Pre-K," the creation of such a program is one of the Governor's highest priorities.

Governor Kaine has already signed Executive Order #7, asking the state school board to survey and accumulate information on state and federally funded pre-school programs (why we need to spend money on another study is unknown; there are plenty of studies out there on "Head Start" and other programs. Perhaps the Governor doesn't like what those studies say and wants one that he can control?).

These elites believe that a government worker can raise your children better than you can. At the present time, the only time parents have "school choice" is prior to kindergarten. After that, it's up to the government where your children go to school unless you have the financial wherewithal to choose an alternative. The best possible way to raise our children is to have that child in a loving home with their parents. No one else can provide the love and support that pre-school children need more than mom and dad. The last thing we need to do in Virginia is to send our children to public schools for yet another year, or more, especially at those tender ages.

Not only is such a program ineffective, but it is likely to cost hundreds of millions of dollars more than the Governor estimates. And guess how he plans to pay for that increase in spending? He wants you to pay for the new facilities, teachers and support staff to bring these new grades into the public school system. That will cost billions of dollars and will mean a huge tax increase for every Virginian. Pre-K programs are another example of failed ideas that politicians continue to fund. The Family Foundation will work hard with our legislators to ensure that this risky scheme is dead on arrival at the General Assembly.

Children would, of course, be better off staying at home with their stay-at-home mothers, baking cookies and building treehouses, instead of in the Governor's soul-destroying indoctrination factories. /sarcasm

Our current governor has so much more integrity than any of this lot. The more you look at their website, the creepier they appear.

Did you find any lies? Bonus points given for finding instances of unintended irony. I look forward to the day a majority hands them their "out-of-the-mainstream" asses.

[NMMNG]

13. Oy vey

At the present time, the only time parents have "school choice" is prior to kindergarten. After that, it's up to the government where your children go to school unless you have the financial wherewithal to choose an alternative.

Hardly. You can home-school your children, move to a state/district you prefer or move to somewhere that offers vouchers for private schools.



The best possible way to raise our children is to have that child in a loving home with their parents.

It's pre-school, not boarding school. They're not taking your kids away for months at a time. :eyes:



The last thing we need to do in Virginia is to send our children to public schools for yet another year, or more, especially at those tender ages.

Translation: We need as much time as possible to indoctrinate them so those pesky Liberals can't ruin them with all that talk of "tolerance".



That will cost billions of dollars and will mean a huge tax increase for every Virginian.

Not all Virginians--only property owners (unless VA works differently than most states I've heard of).

[HockeyMom]

22. My 3 year old speech impaired daughter

All she could say at that age was Momma and DaDa. She would grunt and point. I tried, I really did, but I am neither a speech therapist nor a child psychologist. This also affected her interaction with other children, including her older sister. The neighborhood kids teased and bullied her and she started to have severe behavior problems because of this.

I had her tested and put in a state funded special education program for preschoolers. My daughter remained in special education until high school. Today she will graduate in June with her BA in Elementary Education. She is going to Master in Special Education.

No amount of cookie baking would have achieved these results without PROFESSIONAL intervention.

These "Mommy and Daddy Knows Best" Fundies are IDIOTS.

[va4wilderness]

15. Kind of ironic though

This Family Foundation thing is bad news. I doubt that Kaine will stand for that.

But, taken as a whole, I don't think the people of Va. are overwhelmingly anti-gay. Va. is pretty conservative in the rural areas, less so elsewhere. We had 998,792 people vote against the constitutional amendment - thats 412,907 more people than voted against the amendment in Arizona, where that amendment lost. Too bad the Va. amendment won by such a large margin (tho it was same % as the Oregon vote on the friggin left coast). And it was a much narrower margin than it would have been a few years ago. I guess having lived in Va. and NC (ex-Jesse Helms-land) most of my life, I kind of expect the worst.

[xchrom]

16. the willfully ignorant tapeworms sucking a living

from the body of the ''masses''.

the religious right feels emboldened to make moves like this because they keep getting their own judges moved into the system -- as well as playing into the hate and fear of the masses.

they know what they're doing -- and they may not wim EVERY court case this will engender -- they probably KNOW they'll win one one or two.

[DarkTirade]

19. So, if someone had a business contract

that had to do with some kind of sharing property with another person of the same sex, it could be claimed null and void. Because marriage also deals with shared property.

[MountainLaurel]

23. Yep.

:cry:

[donco6]

21. Wow, Virginia must now be the perfect place on earth.

Of course, if VA4Marriage was really concerned about marriage, they might do something about the 50%+ divorce rate among straights. Talk about vow-breaking. Oh well.