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Brian_Expat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 02:32 PM
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A big fringe benefit of the Democrats selling us out. . .
Edited on Fri Jan-21-05 02:33 PM by Brian_Expat
. . . is the fact that we're maturing as a political movement. Notice, the other day, the huge commitment to a united fight against homophobia in both parties signed by every gay group from left to right. Notice the activities of Pink Pistols against our nominal former "allies" who left us to twist in the wind.

Notice the uptick of third parties courting us.

We're a bloc that was once identified exclusively as the Democrats' to own, that we'd vote for no matter what happens and how much the Clintons or Zell Millers of the world screwed us. I think that's no longer the case -- we're independent out of necessity and circumstance now. That gives us the freedom to swing entire close elections and weild more power in the political process than we've had in the past when it was assumed we were just subsidiaries of the Democratic Party.

We can take on homophobic Dems and Reps in primaries as well as at the ballot box -- with great success as in Massachusetts. We can endorse spoiler candidates and cost the Dems seats in close races where political whores like Stephanie Herseth sell us down the river for political power. We can mobilize and protect the few friends we have in the GOP like Lincoln Chaffee.

What do you think?
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Brian_Expat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 02:35 PM
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1. Here's the united statement of purpose. . .
. . . signed by everyone from LCR to HRC to Stonewall Dems to NGLTF.

22 groups signed it! I think it's very exciting. We're about to give the religious right a real fight, now that our reliance on the quisling Democrats in power today was proven to be misplaced.

http://www.advocate.com/html/stories/930/930_unity_statement.asp

Civil Rights. Community. Movement.

The histories of America’s civil rights movements—and their successes in securing equal protection of the law for those denied it—have always been shaped by the complex interweaving of legal victories, political progress, and advances in public opinion. So when we look at the state of lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender civil rights today, we have every reason to be optimistic. Our movement is strong, it is determined, and it is gathering momentum every day.

It has been only 18 months since the Supreme Court struck down the last remaining state laws that branded us as criminals, little more than a year since Massachusetts’s top court ruled that same-sex couples could not be denied full equality in marriage, and mere weeks since California enacted the nation’s most expansive domestic partnership law.

All the while, public support for LGBT equality continues to grow. Gallup has reported that 89% of Americans support equal employment opportunity for gays and lesbians. Polls also show nearly two thirds support the same opportunities for transgender Americans. Nearly four in five—up from 57% just a decade ago—support openly gay military service members; and amid the enactment of antigay constitutional amendments in 11 states this past November, exit polls showed that 60% of voters favor legal recognition for same-sex couples.

The speed with which our movement is advancing on all fronts is absolutely historic—and it hasn’t happened by chance or by accident.

The lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender community crosses all borders. We are born into families as diverse as our nation. We are of every race, ethnicity, gender, age, religion, class, educational background, ability, and party affiliation. We live in cities, towns, and neighborhoods across this country, in red states and in blue. We, literally, are everywhere.

Yet because that rich diversity often goes unseen, ignored, or forgotten, we remain vulnerable to inaccurate stereotypes manufactured by a small but powerful group of antigay extremists. Wrapping themselves in cloaks of “family” and “values,” these groups are spending tens of millions of dollars to confuse, distort, and subvert the public debate that continues to change hearts and minds about our right to equality as it opens America’s eyes to the true family values that LGBT couples, parents, and families are living and demonstrating every day.

This public debate serves another purpose as well: It reveals the unjust realities our community faces. If we must take time to care for an ill partner, we can lose our jobs because we are denied the protections of the federal Family and Medical Leave Act. Surviving gay and lesbian partners can find their families imperiled by laws that deny inheritance, child custody rights, and Social Security survivors’ protection. Binational LGBT couples and families can be cruelly torn apart by deportation and immigration laws that treat them as legal strangers.

The manifest unfairness of these and countless other discriminations is one reason why support for LGBT equality continues to rise. It’s also why we must commit to creating of our diverse community a truly inclusive movement—one that is represented by and pursues justice for the diverse lives that give it substance.

The groups represented here are parts of a large civil rights orchestra. We play different instruments—lobbying, electoral politics, impact litigation, grassroots organizing, public education, media advocacy, and more—and we are dedicated to playing them well. While our organizations vary in focus and strategies, we share a number of common priorities that will help shape and unite our work in the months and years to come. Among them:

- We must fight for equal employment opportunity, benefits, and protections—and the federal and state laws that safeguard them.

- We must fight against anti-LGBT violence and for the inclusion of sexual orientation and gender identity in federal hate crimes law that already protects Americans based on race, religion, and national origin.

- We must fight—in both the private and public sectors—for better access to health care and insurance. We must advocate for HIV/AIDS policies—including age-appropriate, LGBT-inclusive comprehensive sexuality education—that effectively address this epidemic at home and abroad.

- We must insist on safe schools, where youth can learn free from bullying, harassment, and discrimination.

- We must fight for family laws that give our children strong legal ties to their parents.

- We must work to overturn the military’s discriminatory anti-LGBT ban, which dishonors service members who serve their country with valor and distinction.

- We must continue to expose the radical right’s efforts to advance a culture of prejudice and intolerance, and we must fight their attempts to enshrine antigay bigotry in our state and federal laws and constitutions.

- And we must continue our vigorous fight for the freedom to marry and the equal protections, rights, and responsibilities that safeguard our families, strengthen our commitments, and continue to transform understanding of our lives and our relationships.

In December, People asked President and Mrs. Bush about civil unions. “Is a couple joined by that kind of legal arrangement as much of a family as, say, you two are a family?” “Of course,” President Bush replied. Bush’s acknowledgement (despite his support for an antigay federal constitutional amendment) has set an important new minimum standard for future dialogue surrounding same-sex couples and families, one that reflects an evolving public respect for our relationships that even those who seek to codify discrimination against us cannot easily ignore.

This revolution in understanding and respect has been made possible by millions of lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender Americans who are coming out, being out, and living the truth of their lives for others to see. By families unafraid to publicly declare their love for and commitment to one another. By people unwilling, by word or deed, to tell future generations that our relationships are deserving of anything less than acceptance, respect, and celebration. And by an orchestra of organizations committed to the strategic advancement of our movement.

But at the end of the day, our movement must be more than a collective noun. It must also be an action. Even the most vibrant, vital community can, over time, settle into a status quo. A movement cannot. And the success of our movement is measured not only in the hearts and minds we change, the allies we engage, and the civil rights we secure, but in the strength of our collective commitment to the pursuit of enduring social, political, and legal change that moves us ever closer to true equality. Each of us. Each of you.

Get involved. Learn more about the work of our movement’s local, state, and national organizations. Invest in that work. Encourage your straight friends and family to do likewise; give them the opportunity to invest in our future—and theirs. Champion equality and respect in your community. Engage new allies at home, in your workplace, in your place of worship, at your school. Stand up. Spread the word. Share your story.

By virtue of who we are, we’re a community. But it is by virtue of the decisions we make that we become part of a movement—a civil rights movement working together to create a better, more hopeful world limited only by our ability to envision its promise and experience all that it has to offer.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 02:41 PM
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2. I agree to all of it except for ending don't ask don't tell
I think gay people should boycott the military.

Actually, I think EVERYONE should boycott the military.

But gay people especially.
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Brian_Expat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 02:42 PM
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3. The one upside to DADT
Is that gay kids won't be bleeding in the desert over Bush's Iraqi war of lies when the draft comes.
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kweerwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 02:43 PM
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4. Very well put, Brian_Expat
I've been struggling with some of those same issues myself and you put it eloquently.

Next week my GLBT Democratic club will meet and we'll have a panel discussion with the head of the state party, a newly elected U.S. Congressman, a state office holder and others. I've been trying to find a way to express my disgust at the Democratic Party here in Missouri for the shamefull way they distanced themselves from the vote on "traditional marriage" here in August (but yet came slithering back to seek our support in November).

I hope you won't mind, but I'm going to quote this part of your posting at the meeting since it so closely mirrors my own feelings: "we're independent out of necessity and circumstance now. That gives us the freedom to swing entire close elections and weild more power in the political process than we've had in the past when it was assumed we were just subsidiaries of the Democratic Party."
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 02:46 PM
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5. Ooh! Ooh! I have a protest idea!
All gay people who are eligible (or about to become eligible) for the draft should send a letter to Selective Service explaining that they are inelligible to serve because they are gay.

And if a few straight people join in say they're gay... well, those are the breaks.
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justin899 Donating Member (282 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 06:49 PM
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6. That's a horrible idea
If the Draft returns Clinton's insidious DADT policy will go the way of the dodo bird. Gays not only will be drafted, but they'll probably be put in positions to serve as cannon fodder.

The chief architect of DADT, Prof. Charles Moskos, said as much in an interview I read before the Iraq war started (I can't find a link to the interview but he said gays "should" be drafted in the event a draft becomes necessary).

Also, The advocate ran a story on this last year...

"If the military draft returns, “don’t ask, don’t tell” seems like an easy out for anyone who doesn’t want to serve, gay or not. Forget about it: Military experts say that under a reinstated draft, able-bodied gay men and lesbians will likely be inducted into the U.S. military."

http://www.advocate.com/html/stories/919/919_draft.asp

So don't think for one minute that your sexuality will get you out of serving if the draft is reinstated. They don't mind you serving as cannon fodder for their idiotic PNAC wars. They just don't think you're good enough to serve during peacetime.
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queerart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-05 09:28 PM
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7. My Money, & Vote Goes Green........
The 06' election is right around the corner, and these groups (Dems & Repubs) want your Queer money.... (more than your Queer vote)....

They (either party) would screw a pig on live TV for access to "anyone's wallet"..........

The Democrats showed what they are about during the last election when it comes to Queers... (Republican "Barely" Lite)....

As for those Sad Log Cabin-ers... (they would sign a pledge to George on his underware in private if they could get away it, and not be caught).... And of course they will be willing to sign anything in "PUBLIC" that will boost them in the eyes of their Gay contributors... as they are in a mode to save their organization at the moment.......... Plain and simple...

They (LCR) realize that many Queers have had enough of them..... and the possibility of their beloved funding drying up is a real one... as they still "politely diss" Bush in public, while holding his jockstrap in private.........

And lets not forget that the Log Cabin Republicans Voted to "Withhold Endorsement Of Bush"... but did not ask the question of it's members if their vote would be better cast in another direction........

We (Queers, and others of all tribes) find ourselves where we do today "partly" due to fact of the help offered to Bush by these "Röehmonite’s".

Why do I say that Queers who are being trodded upon will still vote Republican?

The stats run from the low of 20%, to the high of 25% of voting Gays cast their vote for Bush....

For some crazy reason, I find that utterly incredible!

Here are some stories:

http://www.logcabin.org/logcabin/press_090804.html

http://www.outletradio.com/lloydletta/archives/001155.php

http://possibleworlds.blogs.com/possibleworlds/2004/11/gays_vote_for_b.html

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/10/29/85246.shtml

And the stories could go on, and on, and on.......
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kweerwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 12:13 AM
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8. So much for coalition building
Apparently the LGBT community is no better at building coalitions than the Commander and Chimp.

Here's a except from a piece in the Washington Blade headlined: "Excluded leaders criticize unity statement"

http://www.newyorkblade.com/2005/1-21/news/national/unity.cfm

(snip)

Gay leaders who were not a part of the unity statement criticized the collaborative document, noting that marriage equality was featured last on the agenda’s priority list.

One gay rights leader went further and said the statement appeared to be political cover for criticism the Human Rights Campaign received last month for what appeared to be a retreat from marriage equality and support for President Bush’s efforts to privatize social security.

**********************************

Apparently what Will Rogers said about Democrats is equally true about the gay community: Tell them to form a firing squad and they stand in a circle.
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Brian_Expat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-05 07:31 AM
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9. The problem with the article
Is that the people who were complaining of being excluded are mostly individuals. It's like me saying that I was excluded because I didn't get to sign the statement personally.

Frankly, right now I value unity amongst our big groups. I don't think gay marriage was excluded, and as a member of Freedom To Marry, I find the idea that groups like the NGLTF (which went after HRC with claws unsheathed after the Jacques incident) are covering for HRC to be ridiculous.
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KnowerOfLogic Donating Member (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-05 03:38 AM
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10. Correct; especially since dems are selling out all over the place,
it makes it that much easier to decide to vote against them, because they have less and less to offer every year. Btw, i'm in SD and i voted against Herseth because her support of FMA came *on top* of her professed support for the Iraq war; all this stuff adds up. Voted for Daschle though, cuz even though he voted yes on IWR, he voted no on FMA>
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