Hillary on the Ellen Show Talking about Civil Unions/Gay Rights

[romantico]

This is an older clip but I had not seen it before and thought I would share. Seems like DU is 99.5% pro Obama and most the videos are all anti Hillary & Pro Obama. I don't come here much anymore because of it and I have more or less given up on Huffpost. For those, if any, Hillary supporters who are still here, I thought you would enjoy this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SS-iVY3mmxg&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fILfGVTwoQ0&feature=related

[alstephenson]

1. Shhhhhh!

I'm a Hillary supporter, too, but don't spread it around! Try blocking "General Discussion - Primaries" - you'll have a much better time on DU.

[aquart]

2. Unless you wander into Videos or Campaigns.

[Der Blaue Engel]

6. Or Latest Breaking News, or Editorials, or Astrology , Spirituality and Alternative Healing....

[BOSSHOG]

3. Hello My Friend and thanks for the sites

Interesting how those who purport unity as a goal so very easily run people off. One wonder's if that strategy will work in November if he gets the nomination. And I do love being told I've been put on ignore. More of that unity strategy.

Fuck civil unions. If gays want to marry then so be it. If they can't then religious zealot punkass haters should not be able to divorce.

[GodlessBiker]

4. I didn't see that video. Does she support gay marriage? I hope so.

[NorthCarolina]

5. No, she doesn't support gay marriage and neither does Obama

they're both for civil unions. The biggest difference between them though is that Obama supports a full repeal of DOMA, whereas Clinton supports only modifying it while leaving the part that allows States to refuse to observe legitimacy of civil unions performed in other states. Clearly Obama is the candidate that will go farther in support of LGBT rights. Neither is perfect though when it comes to LGBT rights. The one candidate that wholly supported us was Kucinich, but the media worked hard to discredit his candidacy and the LGBT community, for the most part, followed along and threw him under the bus as well.

[davidinalameda]

7. thanks for posting this

and belated welcome to DU

:hi:

[romantico]

8. However

I wonder if Hillary would be ashamed to be photographed with the former San Francisco Mayor and if Obabma would march in a gay pride parade.

[NorthCarolina]

9. I was just pointing out the factual differences between Clinton and Obama

on LGBT issues. I am a gay man AND a Kucinich supporter so to me neither one truly hits the mark. BUT given the differences on their DOMA positions (the only real difference there is on LGBT issues) personally, I'll go with the Obama approach...just sayin'

[Fearless]

10. K&R

[romantico]

11. IMO

In my opinion, Hillary sounds more gay friendly than Obama & McCaine. Yes, both her and Obama favor civil unions over gay marriage but I still think Hillary will do more for the GLBT community.

[NorthCarolina]

12. Except for the differences on DOMA right?

I mean, if Hillary wants to leave the bulk of DOMA intact whereas Obama prefers to completely eliminate it then that clearly points to the assumption that Obama is willing to do more for the gay community so I'm not sure why you feel Hillary sounds more "gay friendly". Marching in a parade doesn't mean as much to me as actual policy, and on policy the Obama approach is slightly ever more "gay friendly". I know that it was Hillary's husband that signed DOMA into law and perhaps that is the basis of her reluctance to repeal it, but I also know that Bill Clinton campaigned as a friend of the gay community and then after taking office threw the gay community under the bus with DOMA and Don't Ask Don't Tell. I agree...Obama/Clinton is much of a crap shoot either way, but a full repeal of DOMA as opposed to a minimal repeal tends to lead me to believe that Obama is slightly more concerned about "equal rights" than is Clinton. That's just my take on it anyway.

[romantico]

13. well

Hillary does not have a group of advisor's who are openly anti gay. Bill Clinton didn't throw the gay community under the bus. He tried. It was the Republican Congress. DADT was a compromise and it was better than nothing. Are you judging Hillary on Bill's record? Hardly fair, isn't it? Her critics quickly remind us that her husband's accomplishments were his and his alone. However, when pointing out his faults suddenly she is forced to take the responsibility as well. It's these double standards that get to me.

If Obama gets the nomination, I won't be voting. What's sad is I would have a month ago.

I am still dreaming Gore will be asked to step in but I realize I am dreaming and not being realistic.

[davidinalameda]

15. who are the openly anti-gay advisors on the Obama campaign?

names please

[romantico]

16. well

James Meeks for one. I know you know exactly what I am talking about. Obama's track record with gay people is not all that great.

[davidinalameda]

19. you named one

but who else?

and Obama's track record with gays is equal to or better than Hill

[romantico]

22. I named one

But you first defend his position on that. You asked me who, I gave you a name. I'll wait before I recite ex gay homophobes who tour with him. No, I'll wait for you to defend his association with Meeks first.

Sadly, I won't vote for Obama. I have issues with Hillary but I feel over McCaine and Obama she IS the most experienced for the job.I'm not looking for a hero or a friend. I want someone who can fix some of Bush's mistakes and Obama I do not feel is ready. If he gets the nomination he won't win in November. Wait til the presidential debates. Up against McCaine he will be slaughtered. All the dirt is out on Hillary and she is tough. She is use to it and knows how to deal with her enemies.

I know way too many people who not vote for Obama if he gets the nomination. Like I said DU and the Democratic party has been shaken and divided. I think Gore is the only hope at this point. Hopefully in 2012 we will have learned from Obama vs. Hillary. Sadly, I think it's cost us the election. No one candidate is to blame and I know I can learn to overlook Obama's faults as I did Hillary's. I just wish he made more of an effort with the GLBT community. He will loose their vote come November.

[NorthCarolina]

20. I think what bothers me most about your post

is that if Obama is the nominee you won't be voting. I have no idea what your reasons for that are, but if for nothing else it is important to elect a Democrat solely for the sake of Supreme Court appointees. Should McCain win, the neo-con powers that will suffice as his brain will surely tilt the court so far to the right that it will not recover for a generation. For me, I dislike the Clintons for their politics, their campaign tactics where they go as far as to elevate the Republican contenders qualifications over that of their Democratic contender, I am wholly against the thought of turning our most important office over to "family's" as if we were a monarchy instead of a democracy, and I want to eradicate DLC from our party more than anything, BUT for all my reservations about Clinton, if she is somehow able to steal this nomination I will still vote Democrat for the sake of the Supreme Court, even though conservative DLC'er Hillary is likely to appoint much more conservative Judges than Obama.

[Fearless]

25. Funny thing huh.

Better let the rethuglican war machine continue than to fess up and realize that your candidate lost. This is why the democratic party is in trouble.

[NorthCarolina]

27. Funny, or just further evidence that many DU supporters of Hillary

are in fact simply Republicans posing as Democrats and promoting Hillary on progressive blogs for the simple purpose of sticking Dems with a candidate that represents the best chance for a McCain win and minimizing Republican losses in the House and Senate?

[Zuiderelle]

29. Same could be said of the many DU supporters of Obama.

[NorthCarolina]

30. Maybe, but it is no secret that Republicans stand a much better chance

of winning if they run against Hillary. I believe the crossover votes for Hillary will equate to McCain votes in the GE, whereas the Obama crossover vote will be retained by Obama in the GE. Hillary supporters can thank Republican shills like Rush Limbaugh for encouraging Republicans to vote Hillary for the simple fact that she IS their only hope of beating the Democrats.

[Zuiderelle]

31. It may be no secret to you, but it is certainly a secret to me.

I don't see how they have any better chance against her than against Obama.

[Fearless]

33. Obama

has great crossover appeal, taking moderate votes away from McCain, whereas Clinton has the ability to inadvertantly energize the Rethuglican base, adding more votes to McCain. Even the news pundits are recognizing this now.

[LostinVA]

40. The funny thing is Obama will lose NJ against McCain

One of the most liberal states in the country.

[romantico]

32. I'm A Hillary

Supporter and the furthest thing from A Republican as you can get! I have been posting here since December 12th, 2000. I can see my days here at DU are numbered and am disgusted with how this forum has become. I use to say things like I liked BOTH Obabma and Clinton and was criticized for that. I went from that to I like both but Hillary just a tad more. I got even more venom with that. After a while I have stuck with Hillary and now post rarely anymore.

So, if your going to accuse ME of being a Republican JUST BECAUSE I don't support Obabma then its YOU who is helping the GOP and no one else! The Dems have become bully's and I doubt Obama will bring the Dems together. I find your remarks insulting, labeling me a Repig JUST BECAUSE I AM NOT SING WITH THE OBAMA CHOIR.

[Fearless]

34. Well... there's that pesky thick skin requirement.

Election period is a tough time. Maybe give DU a bit of a break until the mess clears up, then come on back when we all get to trashing McCain in the GE.

[mondo joe]

36. Someone who joined DU in October 07 is accusing people who have been here since

the beginning of being Republicans?

:rofl:

[NorthCarolina]

37. Well one thing is pretty evident

being a long time member of DU and having 1000+ posts doesn't automatically make you "intelligent".

[mondo joe]

39. Anyone here can tell you that.

But very few are fool enough to believe there are Republican moles who have been waiting 6 years to rally for Hillary.

[Fearless]

41. That sort of commitment would deserve applause.

or perhaps psychiatric evaluation.

[bigscott]

43. Romantico......PLEASE

at least vote for your Dem candidate for US House of Representatives - we need to send as many Dems back to DC as possible!!

And i agree on all your points about Obama. But PLEASE take the time to vote for the rest of the down-ticket candidates!

peace:pals:

[davidinalameda]

14. probably not

since Newsom is working for Hillary even though another one of her superdelegates, DiFi, came out the day after the 2004 election and blamed Newsom for making gay marriage an issue in the election

and honestly, I rather have a president who works for us rather than one who just panders for votes and then refuses to support full repeals of anti-gay legislation signed by her husband

[Tyler Durden]

42. I am hard pressed to believe Obama about ANYTHING.

He has stated support for different sides of issues enough times to make me doubt anything he says, starting with his "I support Single Payer Universal Health Care" changed to his current Insurance Corporation supported plan.

And I don't LOVE Hillary Clinton either: but I do support her over Obama.

[Creideiki]

23. But not in Illinois

Obama wasn't for the repeal of Illinois' DOMA, unfortunately.

[xchrom]

17. while i'm not a hill supporter -- it's nice to see something

good about her here.

i do have confidence in support for lgbtq issues.

[xchrom]

18. more on hill and lgbtw issues

http://lesbianlife.about.com/od/lesbianactivism/p/HillaryClinton.htm

Hillary Clinton and the United States Senate: Every two years the Human Rights Campaign, the largest national gay and lesbian organization, issues a scorecard for members of the Senate based on their sponsorship and voting on key issues of importance to gay and lesbian citizens. Hillary Clinton scored 89 out of 100% in the 2006 scorecard. Here's how HRC rated Hillary Clinton:

Federal Marriage Amendment: Hillary Clinton voted against the Federal Marriage Amendment (S.J. Res. 1) which would have defined marriage as between a man and a woman and included language which could have prevented recognition of civil unions and domestic partnership benefits. The amendment failed by a vote of 49-48.

Hillary Clinton and Gays in the Military: Hillary Clinton supports the repeal of "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" and supports the rights of gays and lesbians to serve openly in the military."It hurts all of our troops, and this, to me, is a matter of national security," she said to a group of HRC supporters.

Employment Non-Discrimination: Clinton said she would work to pass a federal law outlawing employment discrimination based on sexual orientation and propose another measure extending benefits to the partners of federal employees in March 2007 at an HRC fundraiser.

However, in October 2006 Hillary Clinton was quoted by 365gay.com as saying,"I believe in full equality of benefits, nothing left out. From my perspective there is a greater likelihood of us getting to that point in civil unions or domestic partnerships and that is my very considered assessment."

[Zuiderelle]

24. "I believe in full equality of benefits, nothing left out." I'll take that over nothing.

Which is all Obama has promised. Nothing.

[Fearless]

26. "...nothing left out."

But then why NOW in 2008 does she not agree with full marriage rights?

[Zuiderelle]

28. It's a good question. But at least she would like to equalize the benefits.

Neither candidate agrees with the term "marriage" for whatever idiotic reasons. One candidate at least supports equality.

[Fearless]

35. How is not removing DOMA "equality"?

[xchrom]

21. gay marriage and the state of new york

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=2612368

On Wednesday, Clinton told a group of gay and lesbian leaders: "I think that it should be in the political process and people make a decision and if our governor and our legislature support marriage in New York, I'm not going to be against that."

[Toasterlad]

38. Yes, Because Historically, the Majority ALWAYS Defends the Rights of the Minority.

Someone that criminally STUPID should never be allowed to run for public office.

And before you Hillary types pile on, I feel exactly the same way about Obama.

[closeupready]

44. I don't understand how a Hillary supporter can post this in GLBT as a reason to be happy about her.

She says very clearly in response to Ellen's question that she supports civil unions, and leaving the question of marriage to the states. So, she does not support federal marriage equality.

That is not a cause for celebration, IMHO.