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Pab Sungenis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 01:14 AM
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I need to scream re: Providian credit cards. (Anti-gay "supervisor")
We've been going through hell these past few weeks with my boyfriend's credit card issued by Providian Bank.

There was a moment back in August when he thought he had lost his card. They said they would send him a new one, and lock his old one. They never sent him the new one, but he did find the old one.

Turned out that the new card was never mailed out because this alleged woman (more on that later) calling herself Theresa Bridgewell at 800-215-9529 extension 2185 had decided that he, because he has a high voice, was really a woman trying to use the account through identity theft. We finally were told what we would have to do to reactivate his account: fax her a letter signed by him, with a signature that would check against their records, along with a photocopy of his driver's license with matching signature. That was done last night, and he was told to call her again this morning.

When he called, she kept referring to him as "Ma'am," and accusing him of being a woman trying to use this account, and refusing to unlock it since he was obviously an imposter. He kept correcting her, saying "it's 'sir.' My name is Bryan, and I am a man." She finally retorted with "you are obviously a woman, and I'm going to call you ma'am." I listened to him get more and more agitated to the point of actually shaking in anger. I told him he had a right to be kicked upstairs to her supervisor, and he had to ask for that immediately. Her retort? "I am a supervisor, and you are a woman, and I don't have to transfer your call anywhere."

Eventually, after threatening to close the account, he thrust the phone at me. I identified myself, and asked what more we needed to do to prove his identity.

She said "and who are you?" My response "I just told you. I'm Paul L. Sungenis, and I am Bryan's domestic partner." "OOOOH! Her 'domestic partner?'" When I heard the way she said that, I knew it wasn't just Bryan getting wound up. This was obviously an anti-gay bitch, whether or not that was her justification for fucking with him like this. I asked for her boss. She said "I am my own boss. Besides, she asked that the account be closed, and that is what I am doing now."

"Wait a minute, you are not satisfied with his identity enough to lift a lock on his account, yet you ARE satisfied enough with it to close the account on his say so?"

"I'm not allowed to talk to you."

"Then let me hand the phone back."

He repeats what I said verbatim. Then silence. "She put me on hold," he says. Meanwhile, I'm busy researching state banking statutes and regulations. We're having a whispered conversation about contacting our lawyer, and where we go from here. Finally, slightly louder, he says "I think you're right. We're going to need to sue."

Suddenly, she says "I'm still here, and there's no need to sue."

"I think we're going to have to," he says.

"You don't have any right to sue us."

"Yes, we do. Under New Jersey law, it's illegal to discriminate against homosexuals, and that is what you're doing by the way you're acting and the way you're treating me."

"Well, I've just lifted the lock on your account, so you have no grounds now. Good day." And she hung up.

We're not stopping. I've already sent him to the state Department of Banking and Insurance, and the New Hampshire (since that's where they're based) Better Business Bureau. We're also seriously considering a civil suit against these people unless they fire this woman. To quote my lawyer, "juries love to slap banks with punitive damage awards."

Sorry for unloading all of this on you. This is just one of many things that has gone horrendously wrong today and I need to vent.
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 01:21 AM
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1. see if you can get her back on the phone for another conversation . . .
and record it . . .
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 01:23 AM
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2. wow. just ... just wow.
providian sucks on MANY levels.
i'll just add yet another one to the list.

by the way, if you're talking to a supervisor, you can kick it up even further by asking for a "floor manager".

all those calls are recorded for review purposes, though they get erased after a brief wait (3-7 days typically) except for around 2 calls per employee per month for routine review.

you should call pronto, ask for a floor manager, and tell them the exact time of the conversation, and ask for him/her to listen to the call.

her behavior was inexcusable and reprehensible.\

good luck nailing the bastards!
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Winamericaback Donating Member (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 01:23 AM
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3. SUE
Sue the bastads!

What a biotch!
Damn, wish I had a card with them and her name, I would give that bitch a piece of my mind.

You are doing the right thing. And I am sorry that in the fucking 21st century you had to go through that crap.
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Kathy in Cambridge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 01:23 AM
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4. That's horrendous
BTW Providian HQ is in San Francisco, and their credit card processing centers are all over the country. You may want to send a letter to the President of Providian Financial. His name is Joseph Saunders.
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sans qualia Donating Member (675 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 01:27 AM
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5. Oh... wow... oh my
You handled that a lot better than I would have. I'm furious just from reading it. I hope that woman gets what she deserves. :grr:
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Pab Sungenis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 01:34 AM
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7. Well....
It's kind of my job to stay calm in crisis situations. Then after the call was done we both went and had quiet nervous breakdowns.

We're calling tomorrow afternoon to speak with a "floor manager" and ask them to review the tape, and to please make sure it's not erased. We'll back that request up in writing.
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Systematic Chaos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 01:28 AM
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6. One more reason I'm GLAD I'm going bankrupt
When the dust settles, the only thing I'll have left to pay on is some student loans and to HELL with these people.

I tried a debt consolidation, and Providian is one of the creditors who are making it impossible for me to get out of debt in spite of this. If they feel my disbursement payment came late (even though it was made to CCCS on time), they'll still put a late fee on the account. Among all of my creditors, they still try to charge me for "Credit Protection" bullshit even though they have been told by both me AND CCCS that I don't want it. And, their attitudes with me over the phone at times has been outrageous. I am DONE trying to work with these people. Much better for me to declare bankruptcy, lose my money pit of a car and stick to the bicycles.

Get rid of your credit cards, both of you, no matter how you have to do it. It really is time to "starve the beast" as many here like to say.

I'm sorry for how you and your SO were treated. That had to be one nervewracking experience. :(
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Pab Sungenis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 01:41 AM
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8. Thank you.
As for me, I've kept my Discover card, which was my first credit card, gotten back in college in 1990, and with whom I have a good relationship even though the rest of my credit has gone to shit lately. I keep that for emergencies.

For other things I need cards for, like on-line purchases or gas at a Wawa late at night, I keep and use one of those Green Dot "prepaid" Mastercards. I charge it up every month for a $5.00 fee, and keep it handy when I need a credit card.

Credit cards are a tool of the devil.
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TwentyFive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 01:54 AM
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9. I'm with you! These Rupublican f#cks are encouraging homophobes to
come out of the closet. They are Nazis!!!! I'm calling and dumping on them tomorrow first thing!!! She should be fired at once....and sent back to the zoo where she belongs!!!!! GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Technowitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 02:37 AM
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10. Make this my wife on the phone and we have almost EXACTLY the same story
Edited on Tue Nov-16-04 02:38 AM by Technowitch
Her voice is low -- partly from decades of smoking (no more though, thankfully) and partly from the fact she has long-ingrained "lesbian speech patterns."

In this case, we received a notice from one of our credit card companies, asking that we give them a call on a certain matter. She called, said it was in response to the letter, and wanted to know what they wanted.

They simply refused to believe she was who she was. She proved everything, answered every question.

What ended up happening is we got a supervisor (although not as bad as the one you encountered). At first, this woman didn't believe my spouse, either -- until the phone was handed to me.

Supervisor: "Ah Ms. S---- (name removed). Sorry about the mixup, but we seem to have had your husband on the pho--"

Me: "I am not Ms. S----, I am (my full name), her registered domestic partner, and I for one do not appreciate how you've been treating my wife. She answered your questions--and YOU were the ones who asked us to call YOU, for no apparent reason. I would also have you know that here in the state of California we have laws that prohibit the discrimination of homosexuals. Now, are you prepared to treat us both with respect? Or will it take a lawsuit and a ton of bad publicity to cram some sense into your heads? We don't need your credit card, and we're both of a mind to cancel it outright."

The supervisor sputtered an apology, but I wasn't done. I insisted that a formal complaint be filed in this low-level dweeb's personnel file. I'm pretty sure we snagged an interest rate reduction, too.

BTW, know what the call was all about? The assholes simply wanted to offer us credit card balance checks. (Wasn't Providian, though, but Citibank.)

So sorry to hear about your partner's hassle, friend. Take care.
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 03:29 AM
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11. Providian
They are awful, but sometimes you just have to suck it up (like I did) in order to make it through bad times. That company almost destroyed my credit along with a disreputable credit consolidation firm (DON'T EVER USE THEM...only use a STATE counseling agency!!!).

I applaud your ability to stay calm and help your partner! I can deal with shit thrown at me. I will get mad but, it can take awhile (I am good at biting remarks), but if someone had gone after my partner, that bitch would have thought I was coming through the phone! Something similar happened with a collection agency who was coming after my partner's ex-roommate who implicated my partner. This asshole called my partner and demanded the bill be paid. I called back and explained it was another person who made the charges and we had the police reports to back it up. He said he would only deal with my partner (who was unavailable at the time) and that I should tell my partner to prepare to be sued. I told him that was illegal to threaten a lawsuit and if he ever called the house again, I would call the police, then show up at his office and take him to task. He said that was a threat...I said, "that was not a threat, that was a statement of fact, try me asshole!" He then hung up. I was mad as a wet hen and good sense kept me from going there right then and making his life hell on earth.

People have no idea that we are as protective of our loved ones as they are of theirs! Good for you!

Brightest Blessings!
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Modem Butterfly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 10:36 AM
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12. I've already called them and canceled our account
We were going to do it anyway, this jut gave us the excuse we needed.
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 12:05 PM
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13. Nail em!
And Miss Bitchwell too!
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Not Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 04:19 PM
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14. Amazing! Even more amazing is that I got a teaser invitation from them
just today. I shedded it about an hour ago.

Thanks for the tip.
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livinginphotographs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-17-04 05:24 PM
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15. Un-fucking believable!!!!
I worked in customer service for several years, and I would never have had the balls to talk to a customer that way!

You should take this as far as it can go. Even if she wasn't being a homophobe, she was still being a complete bitch.

That story just floored me....
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