Obama Addresses Crowd In Berks County

[canis_lupus]

Except from a Pa. news story dealing with Obama's comments on gay marriage:

The senator also addressed several topics on Sunday including a local issue he has so far been reluctant to take on, legislation pending in Harrisburg that would ban gay marriage in the commonwealth.

"If I were in the state legislature, I would oppose it, Obama said.

Obama's silence on the proposed amendment to the state's constitution has proven worrisome to local gay rights groups who have largely thrown their support behind Hillary Clinton and just two days before the primary he made his position clear.

"I'm not in favor of gay marriage but I certainly don't want to see a court suggesting that somehow we can't pass laws that say gays and lesbians aren't being discriminated against," Obama said.

http://cbs3.com/topstories/Barack.Obama.Campaign.2.704382.html

Maybe it's just my jaded take on politics and politicians, but it sounds like Obama is trying to work both sides of the street.

[Maven]

1. What does this sentence mean?

"...but I certainly don't want to see a court suggesting that somehow we can't pass laws that say gays and lesbians aren't being discriminated against."

Can someone explain that? It doesn't seem to make sense.

[terrya]

5. I'd like to think he was saying something supportive ot us.

But I can't be sure. I can't begin to parse that thing. The Senator must have been in full lawyer mode when he said that.

[Toasterlad]

6. "Ooooo, I Love to Dance a Little Side-Step!"

"Now they see me, now they don't
I've come and gone!
And oooooo,
I love to sweep around the wide step,
Cut a little swathe and lead the people on!"

[mitchtv]

7. It's in your "package of rights"

why did they "force " him to discuss this subject?
( this is where you get to interpert all your hopes and dreams about what he is going to do)

[DarkTirade]

2. I think all politicians try to work both sides of the street.

I don't trust him or Clinton on GLBT issues. Empty promises are too easy to make, real change is too dangerous for their careers.

[canis_lupus]

3. I love that statement

"Empty promises are too easy to make, real change is too dangerous for their careers."

I may have to learn needlepoint just so I can stitch that into a sampler! :toast:

[DarkTirade]

4. I just call it like I see it.

:hi:

I think the only way I could make a government that didn't piss me off would be if I won the lottery and bought my own damn island.

And even then I'd still probably get annoyed a lot. :P

[xchrom]

8. NObama.

"Giving them a set of basic rights would allow them to experience their relationship and live their lives in a way that doesn't cause discrimination," Obama said. "I think it is the right balance to strike in this society."
Sources: Chicago Daily Tribune, National Gay and Lesbian Task Force

[Zuiderelle]

9. WTF does it mean to pass a law that says we are not discriminated against?

This is a triple-negative sentence that when parsed, makes absolutely no sense, since we don't make laws that just say something (that is untrue), instead of doing something, preventing something, protecting something.

I certainly don't want to see a court suggesting that somehow we can't pass laws that say gays and lesbians aren't being discriminated against

WTF does that MEAN? I've not heard of a court saying that someone cannot pass a law that simply SAYS that gays are NOT discriminated against. That makes NO SENSE. What kind of law would that be anyway? An Information Law? A lie (that we are not discriminated against) given credence as a law?

He may have meant this:

I certainly don't want to see a court suggesting that somehow we can't pass laws that say gays and lesbians should not be discriminated against

But he certainly did not say that. And even if he meant that, it's not just about discrimination, it's about equality. And saying that he's "not in favor of gay marriage" says that he is not in favor of equality.

He just keeps getting more idiotically evasive on our issues.

[Duncan Grant]

10. Can this guy equivocate, or what?

This isn't leadership - not by any stretch of the imagination.

[Zuiderelle]

11. This is seriously beginning to concern me.

Since it's looking like he might be our nominee (though I still hold out hope for Hillary), it is SERIOUSLY beginning to concern me.

[Duncan Grant]

24. A person needs more than a dictionary to understand what he's trying *not* to say.

"I'm not in favor of gay marriage but I certainly don't want to see a court suggesting that somehow we can't pass laws that say gays and lesbians aren't being discriminated against..."

In other words: I'm perfectly comfortable letting gays and lesbians look to another politician to be their champion. It should be obvious to American voters that it isn't going to me.

Am I wrong here? I don't think so.

[helas girl]

12. *sigh*

IF only Kucinich could have been the nominee. Some times I have no idea what Obama is saying. Other times i wish i didn't. "I'm not in favor of gay marriage". I wish someone at one of these events would ask him if he would veto a law legalizing gay marriage, if one managed to pass while he was president. Of course the answer would probably be something like that answer above that doesn't really say anything.
You really shouldn't need a Doctorate in Political Science to know what a politician is saying in a speech.

[Touchdown]

13. Ah, more Castro ghetto GD-P posts.

Will his Hillary love in ever stop?:puke:

[mitchtv]

16. trashing the OP is easier

than parsing a triple negative

[Touchdown]

17. If that's what I'm trying to do.

Is that what I'm trying to do?

[mitchtv]

19. Look, that post was directed to GBLT people

We need this forum to discuss "our" issues and not be shouted down by the "majority population" It gets pretty sickening having strates correct you on your pecerption of Gays in America.I for one welcome the opportunity to not be shouted down by stratey telling me how it is. And while I always enjoy your insightful posts, I think the OP was very appropriate to this forum , and really needs parsing ( by Gays ).

[Touchdown]

20. Look I'm gay too! So get off your high horse!

Some of us are not monolithic worshippers of the chosen goddess. Get over it!

Yes, this is a forum to discuss our issues (Yes, mine too, so can it with your ass-wipe assumptions). What it is not is a GD-P part deux. And, it's increasingly becoming one, and I for one am feeling a bit ganged up on whenever I come here and it's nothing but a hatefest for the candidate I like better, coupled with a drag show like worship fest for the Clinton Queen. THAT'S what I was posting about.

Does he need to explain himself? Absolutely. Does he need to change his mind on our issues? Yes. Am I torn by hearing his, admittedly dismissive remarks towards GLBT people, while supporting his greater message? Of course I am. It's been parsed already, and most here have made up their minds about Obama, and hate him like toe fungus, so the only reason to re-post a 5 month old issue is to masturbate it further. Pointless.

[mitchtv]

21. you won't find me defending Clinton

the post was news to me, so I don't know how old it was I thought Berks co wa a part of the PA campaign.( Apr 21, 2008 12:14) Your "Castro Ghetto" crack wass the only mean spirited thing I see around here. I hope you do not think I was implying that you were strate, cause I know better. I was implying thatGD_p was, and that we get quickly shouted down in that forum. Sorry to offend.

[Touchdown]

22. No Prob, but "NObama" imo was worse

depending on your def. of mean.

And it is a new story. Just happened this Sunday, so my apologies.:hi:

[Duncan Grant]

23. Please refer to urbuddha for "Castro ghetto" posts.

Here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=221&topic_id=67044&mesg_id=67390

and here -

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=221&topic_id=67392&mesg_id=67392

Some people would say the "ghetto" is all about Obama, not Senator Clinton. Imagine that.

[Touchdown]

25. I see your urbuddha and raise you Tyler Durden

Here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

One of his locked ones:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

And someone else:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

And yet someone else:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

And just for good measure, I'll throw in a Hillary as Diana Ross song Diva who should be worshipped thread. You get a dime if you can find the word "Adore" in 3 seconds:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

"Some People Say":wtf: Are you Fox News now?

My point is that this isn't GD-P. It's GLBT, and none of this should be in here.

[Zuiderelle]

26. 1. None of your links work. 2. Why shouldn't this be here? We shouldn't talk politics here?

3. Tyler doesn't pretend to be gay, but he is supportive of our fight for equality. But since your links go nowhere, I have no idea what you are saying he said.

[Touchdown]

27. 1, sorry about that. Must be a DU cookie problem

I had trouble posting it.

2. Of course it should be in this forum because it's another easy way to bash Obama and make him out to be the quintisential devil that has thrown salt on all our wounds, and if he would just bow out and let the Hillary Diva have her rightful place on the drag show stage, we would all eliminate AIDS in a week.

Every TD (not me, the other TD) post I linked to is a virulent diatribe against Obama, usually with the thinnest of reason other than he hates a few of Obama's supporters. Others in GLBT cheer him on because they hate Obama for being a line jumper and their goddess of the parade is being challenged, as witnessed in my last broken link titled "Great Hillary Pic" on GLBT, page 3 with the words "I adore her!" in it.:puke:

All my links are on pages 1-4. ...and you know EXACTLY what I'm talking about, so find another sucker for that last line.

[davidinalameda]

14. it is confusing

what I THINK he's saying is that although he's against gay marriage, he doesn't want to see discriminatory laws passed

and let's not forget that he's the only candidate still running that has come out for FULL repeal of DOMA

[mitchtv]

15. What I think he means is

"I'm uncomfortable discussing this issue, as I want to get elected"
He is all politician all the time. I don't blame him for that, I blame him for saying he's any different.

[Zuiderelle]

18. That's all that CAN be construed from his double... er, triple-talk.