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Oeditpus Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 04:21 PM
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Ballot Argument Against Proposition 8 (California)
This will appear in the voters guides that will be mailed in October. Just got it in the 'e' from Equality For All. It was written by Samuel and Julia Thoron. (Samuel is the former president of PFLAG.)

OUR CALIFORNIA CONSTITUTION — the law of our land — SHOULD GUARANTEE THE SAME FREEDOMS AND RIGHTS TO EVERYONE — NO ONE group SHOULD be singled out to BE TREATED DIFFERENTLY.

In fact, our nation was founded on the principle that all people should be treated equally. EQUAL PROTECTION UNDER THE LAW IS THE FOUNDATION OF AMERICAN SOCIETY.

That's what this election is about — equality, freedom and fairness, for all.

Marriage is the institution that conveys dignity and respect to the lifetime commitment of any couple. PROPOSITION 8 WOULD DENY LESBIAN AND GAY COUPLES that same DIGNITY AND RESPECT.

That's why Proposition 8 is wrong for California.

Regardless of how you feel about this issue, the freedom to marry is fundamental to our society, just like the freedoms of religion and speech.

PROPOSITION 8 MANDATES ONE SET OF RULES FOR GAY AND LESBIAN COUPLES AND ANOTHER SET FOR EVERYONE ELSE. That's just not fair. OUR LAWS SHOULD TREAT EVERYONE EQUALLY.

In fact, the government has no business telling people who can and cannot get married. Just like government has no business telling us what to read, watch on TV or do in our private lives. We don't need Prop 8; we don't need more government in our lives.

REGARDLESS OF HOW ANYONE FEELS ABOUT MARRIAGE FOR GAY AND LESBIAN COUPLES, PEOPLE SHOULD NOT BE SINGLED OUT FOR UNFAIR TREATMENT UNDER THE LAWS OF OUR STATE. Those committed and loving couples who want to accept the responsibility that comes with marriage should be treated like everyone else.

DOMESTIC PARTNERSHIPS are NOT MARRIAGE.

When you're married and your spouse is sick or hurt, there is no confusion: you get into the ambulance or hospital room with no questions asked. IN EVERYDAY LIFE AND ESPECIALLY IN EMERGENCY SITUATIONS, DOMESTIC PARTNERSHIPS ARE SIMPLY NOT ENOUGH. Only marriage provides the certainty and the security that people know they can count on in their times of greatest need.

EQUALITY UNDER THE LAW IS A FUNDAMENTAL CONSTITUTIONAL GUARANTEE. Prop 8 separates one group of Californians from another and excludes them from enjoying the same rights as other loving couples.

Forty-six years ago I married my college sweetheart, Julia. We raised three children — two boys and one girl. The boys are married, with children of their own. Our daughter, Liz, a lesbian, can now also be married — if she so chooses.

All we have ever wanted for our daughter is that she be treated with the same dignity and respect as her brothers — with the same freedoms and responsibilities as every other Californian.

My wife and I never treated our children differently, we never loved them any differently and now the law doesn't treat them differently, either.

Each of our children now has the same rights as the others, to choose the person to love, commit to and to marry.

Don't take away the equality, freedom and fairness that everyone in California — straight, gay or lesbian — deserves.

Please join us in voting NO on Prop 8.





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begin_within Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 04:27 PM
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1. Have you seen any polls yet on where the California voters stand on this?
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Oeditpus Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 04:35 PM
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2. Not recently
About a month ago, it was polling around 55-45 against.



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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 04:43 PM
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3. Obama Opposes Prop 8 California Anti-Marriage Amendment
Obama Opposes Prop 8 California Anti-Marriage Amendment
Dear Friends,

Thank you for the opportunity to welcome everyone to the Alice B. Toklas LGBT Democratic Club's Pridc Breakfast and to congratulate you on continuing a legacy of success, stretching back thirty-six years. As one of the oldest and most influential LGBT organizations in the country, you have continually rallied to support Democratic candidates and causes, and have fought tirelessly to secure equal rights and opportunities for LGBT Americans in California and throughout the country.

As the Democratic nominee for President, I am proud to join with and support the LGBT community in an effort to set our nation on a course that recognizes LGBT Americans with full equality under the law. That is why I support extending fully equal rights and benefits to same sex couples under both state and federal law. That is why I support repealing the Defense of Marriage Act and the "Don't Ask Don't Tell" policy, and the passage of laws to protect LGBT Americans from hate crimes and employment discrimination. And that is why I oppose the divisive and discriminatory efforts to amend the California Constitution, and similar efforts to amend the U.S. Constitution or those of other states.

For too long. issues of LGBT rights have been exploited by those seeking to divide us. It's time to move beyond polarization and live up to our founding promise of equality by treating all our citizens with dignity and respect. This is no less than a core issue about who we are as Democrats and as Americans.

Finally, I want to congratulate all of you who have shown your love for each other by getting married these last few weeks. My thanks again to the Alice B. Toklas LGBT Democratic Club for allowing me to be a part of today's celebration. I look forward to working with you in the coming months and years, and I wish you all continued success.

Sincerely,

Barack Obama

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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 04:47 PM
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4. Nobody has the right to impose their RELIGIOUS views on the glbt community ...
and that's what this is about, the xtians imposing their religious views on everyone whether u belong to their religion or not. same crowd that brought us the african slave trade and the holocaust.

msongs
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JackBeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-17-08 11:07 PM
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5. Anyone else notice something weird about the Caster Family donations?
Edited on Thu Jul-17-08 11:18 PM by JackBeck
CRAIG CASTER EL CAJON CA FAMILY DISCIPLESHIP MINISTRY PASTOR 19,200

CANDICE CASTER EL CAJON CA NOT EMPLOYED 18,200

BARBARA CASTER EL CAJON CA N/A NOT EMPLOYED 18,200

NICK CASTER EL CAJON CA FAMILY DISCIPLESHIP MINISTRIES MANAGER 18,200

CHRISTINA CASTER EL CAJON CA N/A ACTRESS 18,200

CHA CHA CASTER EL CAJON CA N/A NOT EMPLOYED 18,200

JUSTIN CASTER EL CAJON CA N/A ACTOR 18,200

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Some are affiliated with a church. Some are actors/actresses. And some are registered as not employed.

Yet EACH ONE was able to each give over $18,000?

Something stinks here.
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 03:16 AM
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7. wow...
yeah, stinks really bad indeed! kinda obvious daddy castor might be paying for all?


More at - - www.cafepress.com/votenoon8
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Athelwulf Donating Member (342 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 02:36 AM
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6. Oregonian here, wishing all the world's luck from north of the state line!
I will be very, very sorely disappointed if this ballot measure passes. Sometimes I actually feel sick to my stomach just thinking about the possibility. So give 'em a real good fight! GOOD LUCK!!! :applause:
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 10:15 AM
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8. How do voter's guides work?
Are they an "equal time" state sponsored mailing to everyone in the state or are they more focused. Do they include a pro and con argument? Are they actually private mailings going to a member list?

I'm curious what the contra argument is and if not in the same pamphlet, I wonder if it has the same circulation.
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Iggo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-08 03:30 PM
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9. In the California election pamphlet thingy...
...if I remember correctly, there is an opportunity to present an argument FOR, an argument AGAINST, a rebuttal to the argument FOR, and a rebuttal to the argument AGAINST.

It is a state sponsored mailing, sent out by either the Secretary Of State's office or the Registrar Of Voters (one-and-the-same, for all I know) which goes out to all registered voters.

(Please anyone feel free to correct me, as I'm working straight from memory and I'm nowhere near the internet..um...wait...wha...? Okay, I'm too lazy to check. There! Are you happy now?)
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