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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 02:21 PM
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The message adults send ( a cross post at Pam's House Blend)
http://www.pamshouseblend.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=6286

In the wake of the failure of the bullying bill and all of the threads about bullying I have been thinking about the message sent by the failure of this bill and the stated reason for its failure. It is hard to escape the notion that the message of those who stopped this bill is that bullying gay kids is OK. Of all of the nearly dozen categories of children and acts listed only one, sexual orientation, was a big deal. It is hard not to have the message be pick on the gay kids but leave the rest alone.
I know what it is like when adults send the wrong message. My earliest memory of being bullied at school dates from 1st grade and gym class. Our gym teacher was a man named Mr. Salupo who for some reason hated my guts. Once a week we had gym class and I would have to face this grown man calling me chicken boy, wuss, wussy, and if he got me to cry, crybaby. For some reason I was the only one he did this to. Now, I will admit, openly and honestly, I stank up the joint at anything physical. I was deservedly picked last for anything and everything. So I wasn't a model student. But I was respectful. I did as I was told. But I got called names by him and then the kids every week. Two times stand out.

Once, I had finally found a physical activity I could do. I could kick a kickball. Everytime up I got a homerun for about half the class. It was so cool. I went from total loser to hero. Then it happened. He started pitching to me all bouncy and I was right back to that total incompetent. And then the names started again. The second time that stands out was the time I finally told my parents. He had given us a pre quiz on scoring bowling and I already knew how to do it as I kept score for my parents league. Well, of course I aced his quiz and he decided I cheated. No amount of reasoning could convince him I hadn't cheated and deserved a zero. I told my parents and that was the last time he gave me crap. In third grade, I had a new teacher, I don't think those were totally unrelated. But the damage had been done. Thanks to this gym teacher I was a joke.

The second time an adult sent this message was at my junior high. By then picking on my was pretty much a sport. My eighth grade English teacher was the adult who gave the green light. I had PE first period and the kids decided to hide my regular clothes so I was in my gym clothes (think t shirt and 80's style shorts). Embarassing but no real big deal. Then at lunch I noticed it was my English teacher's turn at lunch duty and I knew I was in for a rough time. I was literally trash canned and had food dumped on me. After what seemed like forever but was likely less than 5 minutes I was let out to clean up. I was in the bathroom when the bell rang so I went to class still messy. Since I was late, I got paddled by this teacher, as the class laughed and called out faggot. Then I just sat there and tried not to cry. After class, he kept me after and asked "You know why I let them do this to you?" I just shrugged. He said "You are a faggot and if you have it bad enough you will change, now get to class"

What do we expect kids to do if the adults send that message? While less direct, the message the legislature sent was about the same. I can only hope that they will get the message right the next time.

For balance I want to say there were adults who sent the right message. A teacher I had for both 2nd and 6th grades was a literal God send who, when the 6th graders called me queer said, "he isn't and if he were, why do you care?" A 10th grade teacher who told me college would be better and who was right. Today I am out to my fellow techers, sponser a GSA, don't let bullying occur in my room, and am going to be out to my students (I take the I don't discuss my personal life tack now) next year. In short, I made it. But that doesn't mean that every once in awhile I don't revert back to that kid at homeplate being called wuss so many years ago.

Our adults should send the right message.
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 02:26 PM
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1. Adults don't act like adults very often
Depressing, really. The idea that the world is run by people like this tells me we've reached an evolutionary roadblock.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 02:31 PM
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2. fortunately things have changed alot
Kids have worked hard to make schools better for themselves and we have seen the results. I literally can't imagine that a kid would take this now.
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 02:35 PM
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4. Oh, they do
And it's still tolerated.

Progress is being made despite the adult encouraging it, but it's SLOW.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 02:42 PM
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6. that honestly saddens me
I guess I should have figured things were still rough in places.
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 02:52 PM
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9. Honestly, it's unbelievable
I'm not Gay, but was often accused of it as an excuse for bullying. I used to hide in the school library because there were adults around. I even got assaulted with a weapon in one class, and after the offending family settled out of court, it was open season on my ass(luckily I only had a few months to go to graduate).

This was 12 years ago, but I doubt much has changed. The fact that we need laws to address this is sickening- there are laws about threatening and assaulting people, so why aren't the schools applying them? It's because they SUPPORT that behavior as long as it doesn't lead to a Columbine incident.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 02:54 PM
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10. Honestly Columbine changed alot
I started teaching the first time in 91 and was considered a nut for thinking bullying was a problem and was considered a real nut for thinking anti gay bullying was a problem. Within a year after Columbine I was no longer considered a nut.
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 03:02 PM
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13. I'm glad you got that reception
Because a different message was heard here. "The quiet ones" who won't tolerate the bullying are DANGEROUS.

No move to fix the problem- only the move to make sure the results weren't fatal. Columbine and Matthew Sheppard were hugely bad press that drew attention to what they weren't doing- preventing violence among the kids.

And if you think things have really changed, you may want to read this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=221x80066

Systemic problem not being addressed. Why?
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 03:06 PM
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15. trust me I know all about this
my state senator's office got sick of my random ass I am sure due to my calling repeatedly.
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 03:09 PM
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17. :D
I'm glad to hear that I'm not the only one who banged pots and pans to the annoyance of the people in charge. I did it on the subject of stranger kidnappings. Surprising how many people are not interested in that problem.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 03:14 PM
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18. I just wish it had done more good
I admit to not being sure what issue you are referring to. Can you explain.
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 03:43 PM
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19. Same here
Child kidnapping falls into a couple of general categories- parental, relative, known kidnapper and stranger kidnappings. I opted to fight the last category because it's the most dangerous to the victim and because support for that should be non-existent.

That was a quite an education. I got to see a side of America I never knew existed...but now that I know about it, the apathy regarding torture, illegal invasions and the imprisonment without charge is easy to understand. Quite frankly, most of America is souless.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 03:49 PM
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20. I find it hard to believe people don't care about children being kidnapped
I could see problems enforcing custody agreements but stranger kidnapping, that amazes me. Learn something new every day.
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 03:56 PM
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21. It absolutely blew me away
Edited on Mon Jul-28-08 03:57 PM by Hydra
Because I didn't have a mentor. Since then, I've talked with other advocates, and they have similar problems. Here's basically a sum up of how it would usually go:

"I'm working to help with the kidnapping problem. Did you know that at least 300,000 kids a year are kidnapped by complete strangers?"

"Really? That's horrible!"

"Yes, and the recovery rate is abysmal. Only about 200-300 kids are found alive, sometimes years after the fact. I'm looking for people to help turn this problem around."

"That's absolutely shocking! Oh, my. Look at the time...I have to go."
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 04:02 PM
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22. I saw a commercial the other day for a product you might find interesting
It was for batteries but they were used in a child locator. I have to admit in this day and age I would want some way of tracking my young one if I had one. You need to let us know when you need activism on your behalf.
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 04:21 PM
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23. I'm not still doing it
The apathy level lead me to other pursuits, and the blatant whitewashing by the Bush Admin. in recent years simply reinforced the fact that we aren't accomplishing anything, and worse, they are getting in the way of accomplishing anything.

The child locater is a good idea- it probably wouldn't help in a kidnapping, but in the cases where kids get lost, that would be great!
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SacredCow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 02:33 PM
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3. Awful experiences to endure.....
I was never subject to that kind of thing in school- due mostly to the fact that I wasn't even aware of my own sexuality until much later. Of course, there were the kids who had that burden- I remember them well. Thankfully, there was never anything physical like you're describing.

Then, of course, there was the kid who was pretty open about his homosexuality, and was also a 2nd-degree black belt... He got teased exactly 1 time if I recall correctly.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 02:38 PM
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5. yeah I bet it did take only one time
I was a pretty poor example of physicality and was also a bit of a coward so it wasn't a great combo.
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SacredCow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 02:43 PM
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7. May I ask your approximate age range?
Just curious in regards to the progression, is all!

I would say that even the kids who were most viciously picked on were certainly not complete outcasts- they had friends and even some of the more "popular" kids would often stick up for them. This was in the late '80s.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 02:47 PM
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8. Just turned 40 in Dec
the first grade thing was 73 with the 8th grade being in 79 or 80.
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SacredCow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 02:55 PM
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11. you're not much older than I am....
right at 3 years, in fact. I guess there's still the geographic factor? Though Louisiana isn't exactly noted for progressive thinkers!

Plus, the high school I went to was more accepting by design, as it was a magnet and performing arts high school. So to be there, you either had to be artistic or intelligent (preferably both). But there were still boneheads.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 02:59 PM
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12. This was middle school but I grew up in a sports mad place
and was decidedly not sports inclined. Add in being smart, and a very high voiced tenor and well I was in big trouble. The final nail in my coffin was an ill fated encounter on a sleep over at the beginning of middle school. I was too ashamed to stand up for myself or tell my parents.
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SacredCow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 03:03 PM
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14. Too bad they didn't have a place for you like my high school....
Smart and a tenor? You'd have fit in perfectly.

Come to think of it, the Music Theatre and choir teacher was (and is) gay. I remember him actively pursuing me to join up, but I was already involved with the film production department. I guess his gaydar was going off...
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-08 03:09 PM
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16. things got better for me in high school
and I bloomed a bit in college. I just needed some space where I could be around people more like myself at least interest wise.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 10:21 PM
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24. I'm so sorry that you endured that terrible treatment as a child and young adult.
I'm glad that you are part of my community, making things better for young people. Thank you for what you do as a teacher and mentor.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-05-08 04:52 PM
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25. thanks
fortunately it has been a long time since I was that little kid.
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