San Diego private Christian college a hotbed of homoerotic hazing.

[Duncan Grant]

San Diego dorm director fired over hazing incident

(09-04) 06:00 PDT San Diego, CA (AP) --

A residence hall director at a private Christian college in San Diego has been fired over a hazing incident last month in which male first-year students were woken up by upperclassmen and told to swim in the ocean naked.

Officials from Point Loma Nazarene University say the hazing occurred at 2 a.m. Aug. 25 on the first day of classes. The college is looking into allegations that students were slapped and one was urinated on during the march to the water.

University President Bob Brower said in a letter to faculty and staff that residential-life staff members made a public apology to freshmen in the all-male dorm.

School officials have launched a disciplinary process for the upperclassmen involved.

link: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2008/09/04/state/n060016D32.DTL&tsp=1
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Information from: The San Diego Union-Tribune, www.signonsandiego.com

There is a God! And he has a wicked sense of humor...

[nichomachus]

1. That's just humiliating and degrading treatment -- not homoeroticism

Calling it homoerotic is like saying male-female rape is a "romantic encounter."

[kansasblue]

2. spot on! Newspaper called it 'hazing '

Gay and homo-eroticism NEVER mentioned in the article. And to be expected. It's from San Francisco.

[Duncan Grant]

12. What's that supposed to mean?

And to be expected. It's from San Francisco.

Care to elaborate?

[kansasblue]

14. sure

the paper is from San Francisco and as such it is sensitive and well educated on gay issues. The paper knows full well that the article should not be labeled as a 'gay' incident or in anyway indicate homo-erotic activity. It's just wrong behavior, period.

That is what I would expect from a San Francisco paper.

[Duncan Grant]

4. Wow, people are more tightly wound here than I thought.

I'm mocking their moral highground bullshit about gay men.

No doubt it's humiliating and degrading. I thought that was obvious.

[kansasblue]

6. there is no mention of GAY in the article. nt

[Duncan Grant]

11. And how long have right-wing fundies pathogized gay men about their "deviant" behavior?

I can appreciate the irony here and if others don't -- that's fine by me.

[kansasblue]

15. ok... now I understand the irony: 'Christian college'

Sorry.....

[nichomachus]

8. Humiliating and degrading -- and that's all it is

Calling it homoerotic perpetuates the myth that this is the way gay men act. Sorry, if you see that as "tightly wound," but I see it as feeding into the propaganda.

[Duncan Grant]

10. Exactly.

You do get it.

[Toasterlad]

13. I Think the Problem People Are Having With Your Point...

...is that stupid behavior from Christians isn't generally hypocrisy unless they're blasting someone else at the same time, which doesn't appear to be the case here.

Meanwhile, not quite off topic (and I know this is by far the minority view), but I don't have a problem with hazing in general. It's an admittedly stupid and childish form of bonding, but it does, in fact, bond people. It's a time-honored way of declaring your loyalty, and needn't cause any real harm to anyone. The incidents mentioned in this article are fairly tame, and nothing to get worked up about. Granted, people really shouldn't be hazed unless they actually WANT TO BELONG to the hazer's group, but a little good-natured indoctrination of the new folks is common in most all-guy societies. I personally have a problem with pain stuff, like those crazy marines who punch medals into each other's bare chests (Christ!), but I'm cool with hazing in general, as long as the guys being hazed are on board with it.

[Ian David]

5. That's a very good point.

Did you hear John McCain's joke about rape?

A joke told by John McCain

"Have you heard the one about the woman who is attacked on the street by a gorilla, beaten senseless, raped repeatedly and left to die?" The punch line: "When she finally regains consciousness and tries to speak, her doctor leans over to hear her sigh contently and to feebly ask, "Where is that marvelous ape?"-- http://tinyurl.com/5svrz5

http://wordle.net/gallery/wrdl/72297/A_joke_told_by_John_McCain

[KansDem]

3. They weren't referring to Black's Beach, were they?

Black's Beach is a beach in La Jolla, San Diego, California. Portions of the beach lie under city property and other parts lie in the zone of a state park, where nudity is legal, It is perhaps the largest nude beach in the United States and is popular with many Southern Californian nudists and naturists. It is situated north of downtown La Jolla and south of Torrey Pines State Reserve. Access is available from La Jolla, Torrey Pines State Reserve, or via trails down the cliffside by the historic Torrey Pines Gliderport near the Salk Institute. Part of Black's Beach is within the State Park, and part within the City of San Diego. Nudity is prohibited on the city portion of the beach,<1> but is tolerated for about a mile north of the trail head leading to the gliderport -- the portion within the State Park.<2>

A volunteer group called the Black's Beach Bares helps to keep the beach clean, safe, and maintained. They also host events and picnics through the summer at the beach. They are affiliated with The Naturist Society and the Las Vegas Bares.

Black's Beach is known to surfers as one of the most powerful beach breaks in Southern California. The waves gain the power due to the focusing effects of an underwater canyon just offshore. Because of the large surf and aggressive crowds, Black's is a dangerous surfing location.

The Torrey Pines Gliderport sits on the bluff atop Black's Beach 300-foot (91 m) cliff.

The beach is very close in proximity to the University of California, San Diego and is popular with the students of the university. Many students can be seen walking from the university to Black's.

Wikipedia

When I lived in San Diego during the late 1970s, Black's Beach was fantastic! (or so I heard :D).

[CoffeeCat]

7. The most repressed people...

...who grow up in repressed households, where they are not allowed to
be who they are---typically go bonkers in college.

I used to be an RA at a Big Ten University. On a co-ed dorm floor, nonetheless.

I saw it all, baby!

[dbackjon]

9. I dated a guy that went there years ago :)