Well... fuck.

[DarkTirade]

I haven't had internet access for the last several days (billing screwup... they screwed up in such a way that I couldn't pay my bill. The money's sitting in my account. They're sending me bills. But their system is screwed up and I haven't been able to get a live person to fix it yet.) so I wasn't able to keep track of the election. All I saw was the headline this morning. I thought "Yay, we won."

Then I came here to check and see how prop 8 did. Most of us won today. But not all of us. All I wanted for my birthday today was to find out that we won... and a lot of us did. Hell, I think the world as a whole is going to be better off because of this election. We no longer will have a war-mongering fear-driving robber baron-pandering man in our highest office, affecting economy and military both here and abroad. But despite that victory, a whole lot of us just lost.

[Ian David]

1. Not over yet. The fight continues. n/t

[DarkTirade]

5. The fight won't stop as long as I'm around.

[Ian David]

9. If you find ANYONE who didn't get off their asses to help before, get them involved NOW. n/t

[DarkTirade]

16. Right now I just wanna find out what the legal options are for fighting such a thing.

Maybe all it'll take is the right lawyerin'. :)

[Ian David]

19. Equality California and The City of San Francisco are fighting it.

Contact http://www.eqca.org/

[DarkTirade]

22. If they need money for lawyerin', I don't have much to spare...

but I just got a check from my grandma for my birthday, so I could probably send a few bucks towards the legal wrangling. And I haven't been active with the GLBT Pride Alliance on campus this year, but I'll see if I can get ahold of 'em and see if they'd be willing to do anything on it. It may be on the other side of the country from us, but I don't think that makes it any less relevant or important.

[Ian David]

23. Get your friends and family to donate. n/t

[DarkTirade]

25. I know my maternal grandparents would donate what little they could

not sure about my dad's side. They've got more money and they're pretty liberal, but the subject of gay rights hasn't come up in conversation. I still haven't come out to either set of grandparents, actually. Mostly 'cause I just don't know how to explain the fact that I'm neither straight nor gay to them. :P

[robinlynne]

32. How about waiting till the ballots are counted? 600,000+ uncounted in LA

alone, including most of the new voters (18 year olds) whose names were NOT on rosters. provisonals, vote-by-mail, early voting. None counted yet!

[Fresh_Start]

2. all of us lost because Prop 8 passed

not just a lot of us.

[DarkTirade]

6. Very true. Even those without a dog in this particular fight still lost... because now

there's one more precident set that allows minority rights to be taken away. And one more 'victory' for bigots to use to rally their cause.

[realisticphish]

3. maybe

this will drive home to many liberals how real homophobia is. I mean, everyone knows its still around, but I don't think many heterosexuals (including myself) really understand the daily issues.

Hopefully this wakes everyone up :shrug:

[DarkTirade]

8. I sincerely hope you're right.

:hug:

[Booster]

4. The issue will be back and next time we'll get it - count on it. The

discrimination part of it needs to be more defined and include single people as well. No group should have over 1400 state and federal benefits that ALL others don't have. That's really discrimination.

[DarkTirade]

10. This country once had lawful slavery, so we have come a long way.

I sure as hell intend to keep fighting the good fight, and chipping away at inequality.

[bobbolink]

7. Yes, that's sad.

However, homelessness is still INVISIBLE and FORGOTTEN.

Nothing.

Zilch.

Zero.

Nothing will change.

We don't have the outspoken support of "progressives".

Hope?

riiiigghhhtttt.....

:(

[DarkTirade]

13. Hopefully with the housing market in the crapper the light will be shone on that problem as well

Because now the people who never thought they'd be in that position are suddenly facing it too.

[bobbolink]

18. the muddle-class problem doesn't have any connection to the low-income housing crisis.

"Progressives" keep saying exactly what you said, and that's why this is continuing.

When all of you decide this is important, it will change.

Just like gay issues, just like environmental issues, just like all the rest. When you all decide it's important and there've been enough deaths, it will change.

Until then, people continue to suffer and die.

[DarkTirade]

24. It will be important when the average person starts to be affected by it.

And right now, the economy and money in general, and especially the problem of keeping a roof over one's head, is certainly affecting the average person.

The problems may be coming from different directions, but they're meeting in the middle right now.

[bobbolink]

29. I wish all of you could HEAR. It's a totally different issue, and we will continue to be ignored.

Does it matter to you?

[Prism]

11. Happy Birthday, regardless

I'm an optimistic type, and despite how awful we're all feeling today about Prop. 8 and the other initiatives, I still have an unreserved conviction that we'll see equality while people like you are still young. There's always hope.

[DarkTirade]

14. Not as young as I was yesterday... :)

Thanks. :hug:

[Warpy]

12. I think most people on DU wanted that, as well.

Now our hope lies with the courts, that they'll see the wisdom of overruling the religious bigots and not allowing the majority to oppress the minority.

That's the country we want to live in, not the one ruled by the iron fist of bigotry.

[DarkTirade]

15. For some reason that made me think of the quote,

"We must be the change we wish to see in the world."

Not quite sure exactly how my brain got from point A to point B, but for some reason it popped in there. :)

[SoCalNative]

17. It really sucks that now chickens have more rights

in California than some people do.

[DarkTirade]

20. And apparently fewer people who care about their happiness...

[PetrusMonsFormicarum]

21. They've built a seawall

but the flood is already behind them.

I don't really know the specifics (except that I'm pissed off at slightly more than half of California), but I would not be surprised if this vote result is overturned as unconstitutional. At least, I certainly hope so.

And just look at what hope brought us last night.

[DarkTirade]

26. Let's hope the tide will continue to go onward.

And the bigots will get sucked into the undertow. :evilgrin:

[Irishonly]

27. The fight will continue

It makes me so shit I could mad all over. I know there are at least two cases being filed. We have to be better organized or something. It doesn't help that churches can get involved with propositions. I honestly had no idea it was legal so it seems to me that rule needs to be changed ASAP. I am a straight married woman and I am sick of the religious wingnuts trying to run my life. We are all on this path of life together and we must stand together as equals.

[DarkTirade]

28. Glad to have you on our side.

:hug:

[Irishonly]

30. We Will Do This

My joy of seeing dems do well quickly changed into sorrow and rage. As soon as there is a plan (there may be, I just haven't heard) I will get back out there.

[sellitman]

31. My heart goes out to those still discriminated against.

We made real headway yesterday but stepped back for others. The fight will continue.

:hug:

[Chovexani]

33. What kills me is the complete lack of empathy from some people

This "fuck man why are you harshing my squee, why aren't you sufficiently happy too" bullshit has got to go.

[lightningandsnow]

34. Indeed!

Yeah, I have some pretty mixed feelings post-election.

For a perfectly legitimate reason.